In a dramatic development, it looks like the Hartlepool Constituency Labour Party has finally decided to publicly make their move to remove the calamitous Christopher Akers-Belcher from his position as leader of Hartlepool Council.
I can reveal that correspondence circulated to local Labour Party members, informs them about a meeting scheduled to take place in a weeks' time.
On the agenda for the meeting is a two part compound motion.
The first part of the motion reads as follows:
"With regret, Hartlepool Constituency Labour Party resolves that it has no confidence in the current leader of the Labour group and acknowledges the detrimental impact the current leadership could have on the forthcoming local elections in May 2019".
Clearly, in five years of his 'leadership', this is the most overt attempt to remove him and it's coming from within his own party. And let's be honest, who can blame them?
Among other things, Christopher Akers-Belcher's 'leadership' has sailed the 'good ship Labour' through the following watershed moments.
- The removal of the town plan and unprecedented planning approvals
- Jackson's Landing ending up for sale on e-bay
- The laughable Hartlepool Vision complete with London Eye sized Ferris Wheel
- His husbands very public sacking for lying
- Cranney's sexual remarks to a local grandmother
- The disastrous 'Café in the crem'
- The millhouse masterplan. Whatever happened to that?
And literally dozens of other half arsed, hap hazard, calamitous decisions.
What then follows in the internal Labour document is a long explanation of how and why they have arrived at the conclusion.
Basically, the reasoning is a summary of what has been pointed out on this forum for around 5 years.
Most cutting is the fact that the CLP agrees with this forums conclusion that opposition councillors are now using the Akers-Belcher name to ensure Labour lose votes.
There is talk in the document of Labours opponents 'weaponsing the leader of the Labour group to worrying local effect in the recent Hart by-election. Translated that means the penny has finally dropped that all the opposition councillors have to do is mention the name 'Akers-Belcher' on an election leaflet and the chances are Labour will lose the seat.
There's a lot more I could say, but to be honest I'm just a little frustrated that it's taken 5 years for Labour Party members to see what myself and others could see if within 5 minutes of him becoming leader.
What will now follow next week is an attempt by the constituency Labour Party members across most wards within the town to force the hand of the Labour councillors and make tangible steps to end the Akers-Belcher pantomime.
Specifically the document formally requests the resignation of the current leader of the labour group and requests appropriate action from Labour members to ensure the requested change in leadership is forthcoming.
In addition, there's also a second part of the compound motion which asks that Labour Party members confirm that they are not involved with community or commercial activities which could (or be perceived to) bring the Labour party into disrepute.
Which is a nice motion, albeit one which is around 4 years too late.
Time's up Christopher.
He must surely do the right thing and stand down but my guess is he will cling on for dear life !!!
Seems like the local Labour party are finally getting their house in order.
Quote from: Owen Jones on November 10, 2018, 09: PM
He must surely do the right thing and stand down but my guess is he will cling on for dear life !!!
He will claim he is being picked on because he is disabled (permanent disfigurement due to an excessive amount of botox injections) and had threatened to expose the corruption within Momentum.
Would not be at all surprised if he also played the 'only gay in the village ' card.
I won't go down without a fight or should I say they won't go down without a fight!!
I wonder when the healthwatch contract is up for renewal.
I guess he won't think of standing down until he knows which precious metal his departing medal is made of and it better be bigger than the mayor's!!
Quote from: Land Phil on November 10, 2018, 09: PM
I wonder when the healthwatch contract is up for renewal.
Anyone want to run a sweep on when Anth and Pixie Bratt start applying for (and getting) council funding?
QuoteWould not be at all surprised if he also played the 'only gay in the village ' card.
Neither would I. However we all know he is far from that in both the party and the council. I do find your choice of phrase slightly unpalatable and I hope my recent consumption of wine has not misconstrued this as having an edge of homophobia.
Quote from: PKelly on November 10, 2018, 10: PM
Neither would I. However we all know he is far from that in both the party and the council. I do find your choice of phrase slightly unpalatable and I hope my recent consumption of wine has not misconstrued this as having an edge of homophobia.
So you decided to play the card for him? New name but same old rubbish.
Hi P. Kelly.
Maybe the phraseology used by MK1 could have been a tad more circumspect, but given CAB's track record of playing the homophobia card to such good and advantageous effect (eg. the tax payer funded damages he got that covered the cost of setting-up 'Belcher Palace' in Westbrook) Add that to the now the not-so secret move to Brighton, the gay capital of Europe.... things start to add up.
Over to you MK!! Tell PK what you think.
What you really, really think.u
(Spice girls on TV as I type)
D.Riddle.
Keep it up Sir!
Your insider knowledge and top-notch perspective on things inside the cess-pit masquerading as an effective HBC is much appreciated.
Fred C.
Keep it up! Always great stuff.
HP posters in general......(too many to mention).....PLEASE keep the pressure on those who you feel/ know do a dis-service to general well-being and advancement of the people of Hartlepool.
Don't forget, your inputs are the fundamental building blocks of the entire democratic process.
As 11th Nov encroaches, reflect on the inescapable fact that democracy should NEVER be taken for granted.
Keep'em honest guys.
Thinking about this from the Corbyn Pixie angle, do they think this is enough, do they believe by getting rid of The Dear Leader it will be a 'cure all' I for one don't believe it will.
There are other Troughite's that should be purged from the council, but even that won't remove from public thought what has gone on for years within the LabMob......
If the Corbyn Pixies are really serious about cleansing the cess pit they need to commit themselves and the party to commissioning a full open and transparent inquiry into the financial dealings over the last 5 years
I also believe that the electorate would support the use of public money (even with government cuts) being used to fund such an inquiry.....
They should consider going down this route....It just might restore public confidence in what's left of the tattered reputation of the Hartlepool labour party.
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Labour let Hartlepool rot when they were in power nationally and it would be a miracle if they can do anything to recover at a time they are not.
For too long our issues with local politicians have been a local matter that nobody would help with.
Mike Hill has agreed things like the massive allowance rise was wrong and then took the opportunity 5 minutes later for a photo opportunity campaigning with them.
As much conviction as a wet lettuce.
Responses from the national party showed no empathy or sympathy never mind action.
101 reasons to vote Labour have been bulldozed for me.
Musical chairs isn't going to fix anything.
Well this is certainly good news to contemplate over my Sunday morning cuppa. The proposed move by the party may well not be a cure for all, however it should be a massive step in the right direction.
I can see potential for this move to cause further damage to the local reputation of the labour party, as anyone with with reasonable cognitive function will wonder why it's taken so long for the party to do anything about this Trainwreck of a 'leader'.
Who do people think will be or should be the next leader?
Quote from: diSme on November 11, 2018, 09: AM
Well this is certainly good news to contemplate over my Sunday morning cuppa. The proposed move by the party may well not be a cure for all, however it should be a massive step in the right direction.
I can see potential for this move to cause further damage to the local reputation of the labour party, as anyone with with reasonable cognitive function will wonder why it's taken so long for the party to do anything about this Trainwreck of a 'leader'.
bolting the stable door after the hoss has had it away
I agree there should be a fully transparent investigation with charges brought if there is evidence they are all as twisted as corkscrews
a point to ponder on peeps
who is going to replace him that's any better ?????
along with the rest of the motley crew
Quote from: kevplumb on November 11, 2018, 09: AM
Quote from: diSme on November 11, 2018, 09: AM
Well this is certainly good news to contemplate over my Sunday morning cuppa. The proposed move by the party may well not be a cure for all, however it should be a massive step in the right direction.
I can see potential for this move to cause further damage to the local reputation of the labour party, as anyone with with reasonable cognitive function will wonder why it's taken so long for the party to do anything about this Trainwreck of a 'leader'.
bolting the stable door after the hoss has had it away
I agree there should be a fully transparent investigation with charges brought if there is evidence they are all as twisted as corkscrews
a point to ponder on peeps
who is going to replace him that's any better ?????
along with the rest of the motley crew
Well I'm fairly sure they'd be hard pressed to find anyone worse! :D
good point ;)
but I can't see the corbynite pixies being any better either :-\
In addition, there's also a second part of the compound motion which asks that Labour Party members confirm that they are not involved with community or commercial activities which could (or be perceived to) bring the Labour party into disrepute.
I find the second motion very interesting as that's the one that implies wrong doing by Labour Councillors
The whole Rifty issue has been under scrutiny for a while and I can't for the life of me understand why HBC hasn't progressed it - though if we remember the HBC solution to the MRA problem was to stop the public asking questions.
Even if we just look at the rent for the building - if the Rifty Club is paying £100 / week rent that equates to £5200 per annum, which is above the Charity Commission threshold (they must have received that amount to pay it) - if HBC is giving it rent free they must show a figure in their books as a charitable donation in lieu of rent - this would then need to be shown in the Rifty Accounts as having received a charitable donation equivalent to that amount. That's before we start looking at Dinners for children, Mayoral Contributions etc.
Could be another MRA brewing - I wonder who'll get their knuckles rapped this time - at least nobody will have to stand up and deny being trustees this time - they haven't got any.
Just to put a bit of meat on the bones, this is from one of what I believe are several slightly different versions of the letter to Labour Party members.
"A lack of communication and consultation with Hartlepool's electorate and recent constitutional reforms within HBC which have made our council less accessible, less democratic and less accountable to the general public in direct contravention of CLP policy around public questions and the timings of meetings. That in so doing the leadership of the group is falling short of the seven Nolan principles of public life, namely selflessness, integrity, objectivity, accountability, openness, honesty and leadership".
That's the actual local Labour Party saying the leadership is falling short of the Nolan principles. Which is something people on here have said from day one since CAB and the mob took over.
Officers at various levels have had to clear up or hide CABS calamities time and time again, while this website and recently Hartlepool TV battle to expose them.
Somethings got to give.
Note the following also.
The motion is proposed: Burn Valley Branch Labour Party, Hart Branch Labour Party, Headland & Harbour Branch Labour Party , Jesmond Branch Labour Party, Rural West Branch Labour Party, Seaton Branch Labour Party, Victoria Branch Labour Party.
The confirms what I said a while back about the extent of the rift. Obviously Manor House, De Bruce, Fens and Rossmere and Foggy Furze do not appear to be formally supporting the motion. The wards of SAB, Cook and Thomas, Lindridge and CAB himself.
Time to pick your horse Carl.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 11, 2018, 12: PM
Note the following also.
The motion is proposed: Burn Valley Branch Labour Party, Hart Branch Labour Party, Headland & Harbour Branch Labour Party , Jesmond Branch Labour Party, Rural West Branch Labour Party, Seaton Branch Labour Party, Victoria Branch Labour Party.
The confirms what I said a while back about the extent of the rift. Obviously Manor House, De Bruce, Fens and Rossmere and Foggy Furze do not appear to be formally supporting the motion. The wards of SAB, Cook and Thomas, Lindridge and CAB himself.
Time to pick your horse Carl.
We all know that Carl will be safe.....If he had ridden down the 'Valley of Death' every day for 12 months his horse, with him on it would have survived intact.....
I find this farcical. The 'Party' has ignored the longest running farce in political comedy for years.
Problem? What problem.
So, like a coma victim, they finally wake up to the bleedin obvious problem everyone else twigged onto a loooooooong time ago.
Now if they couldn't see the problem, what does that say about them?
Was it a case of not knowing or Party loyalty? Either option does not bode well them.
Quote from: fred c on November 11, 2018, 01: PM
We all know that Carl will be safe.....If he had ridden down the 'Valley of Death' every day for 12 months his horse, with him on it would have survived intact.....
That would have to be some horse..............
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RdqqVogKK0
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 11, 2018, 02: PM
I find this farcical. The 'Party' has ignored the longest running farce in political comedy for years.
Problem? What problem.
So, like a coma victim, they finally wake up to the bleedin obvious problem everyone else twigged onto a loooooooong time ago.
Now if they couldn't see the problem, what does that say about them?
Was it a case of not knowing or Party loyalty? Either option does not bode well them.
It's not as though they didn't know about what was going on since The Dear Leader assumed command, the Chairman of the HCLP who is employed by the council was sat in the corner of the council chamber on a regular basis and even more telling, so were Richardson, MD, Cranney Simmonds (now HCLP Chairman) Cook, Beck, Lindridge, Clarke et al
They all knew what was going on, even the 3 Tories and yet the all jumped on the shovel when C A B shouted s**t.
Quote from: mk1 on November 11, 2018, 02: PM
Quote from: fred c on November 11, 2018, 01: PM
We all know that Carl will be safe.....If he had ridden down the 'Valley of Death' every day for 12 months his horse, with him on it would have survived intact.....
That would have to be some horse..............
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RdqqVogKK0
'The Charge of the Sh**e Brigade' comes to mind for some reason.
Quote from: fred c on November 11, 2018, 05: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 11, 2018, 02: PM
I find this farcical. The 'Party' has ignored the longest running farce in political comedy for years.
Problem? What problem.
So, like a coma victim, they finally wake up to the bleedin obvious problem everyone else twigged onto a loooooooong time ago.
Now if they couldn't see the problem, what does that say about them?
Was it a case of not knowing or Party loyalty? Either option does not bode well them.
Whenever they go, they're leaving the Party a 'memorable' legacy.
It's not as though they didn't know about what was going on since The Dear Leader assumed command, the Chairman of the HCLP who is employed by the council was sat in the corner of the council chamber on a regular basis and even more telling, so were Richardson, MD, Cranney Simmonds (now HCLP Chairman) Cook, Beck, Lindridge, Clarke et al
They all knew what was going on, even the 3 Tories and yet the all jumped on the shovel when C A B shouted s**t.
Just an update from a source VERY close to the current council leader.
Of the 11 wards in Hartlepool, only ONE has formally shown support for the leader.
That ward is Foggy Furze. His own ward. Although Manor House, De Bruce and Fens and Rossmere are not named on the motion, that does NOT mean those wards Labour members support him.
A motion of no confidence in Christopher Akers-Belcher WILL be put to Labour Party members. It will be voted for. It's then down to the will of the current local councillors to listen and ACT on the wishes of their members.
And by the way Christopher 2020 as a compromise isn't good enough. They want you out NOW. You and your cronies ARE responsible for the absolute collapse in the local labour vote. It WILL continue to collapse while you are stumbling around out of your depth.
As the storm clouds gather, you have to ask yourself is this a principled revolt by previously docile minions or a collective forehead slapping realisation things are really bad. This whole saga highlights the dead hand of Party politics in local democracy where the peoples' needs are secondary to Party loyalty.
I'm always amazed that anyone in any Party can stifle their consience or beliefs to meekly comply with group think decree, just who are they reprinting?
We've now had several years of stagnation and inertia tarted up and touted as success from people with the vision of a chimps tea party, messy and mildly amusing, but there's always a right old mess to be cleared up when they've gone.
Will a replacement troupe have better table manners or just new tricks to amuse?
When did Seaton have a Labour group ?
Do they meet in the telephone box on the Green ?
Just curious.
While I would be happy to to see the back of both of them, I have concerns of who would be next in line - while i was in the fantasy factory I would not of rated any of them or could we be back to an elected mayor.
A council made up of Independent councillors with an elected Ceremonial Mayor would be my choice......We have had a Labour Mayor / Council Chairman for years now and 2 of them proved to be blatant liars.....And..... None of the Labour or Tory councillors cried squeak about them.
Thanks to Hartlepool TV. https://www.facebook.com/HartlepoolTV/videos/vb.1773778589599090/2035178296576319/?type=2&theater
Welcome back Mr Brash all is forgiven will you please be our new leader !!!
Just in the name of 'openness and transparency' (lol) here is one of several versions of the letter which has reportedly gone out the constituency Labour Party members across Hartlepool. My understanding is there may be several slightly different versions due to each wards branch secretary possibly having a slightly different take on the text.
Essentially, it reads as follows:
QuoteMotion 1 – Compound Motion With regret, Hartlepool Constituency Labour Party resolves that it has no confidence in the current leader of Hartlepool Labour Group and acknowledges the detrimental impact that the current leadership could have on the forthcoming Local Government Elections in May 2019.
The Party Notes:
• A lack of communication and consultation with Hartlepool's electorate and recent constitutional reforms within HBC which have made our council less accessible, less democratic and less accountable to the general public in direct contravention of CLP policy around public questions and the timings of meetings. That in so doing the leadership of the group is falling short of the seven Nolan principles of public life, namely selflessness, integrity, objectivity, accountability, openness, honesty and leadership.
• A present and growing disconnect between the views and wishes of Hartlepool's electors and present Labour Group policy which has alienated the electorate; notably through the examples of increases to councillor's allowances and perceived 'vanity' regeneration projects.
• A growing tide of lies and deception regarding the leadership of the Labour Group across the town's social media, enabled by a consistent inability or unwillingness from the present leadership to acknowledge and confront criticism in an effective or meaningful manner.The lack of willing from current Labour Group Leadership to take on or criticise those who are supposed to be our political opponents, creating a widely held public perception of virtual coalition with prominent Conservative and former-UKIP politicians within Hartlepool.
• That despite the National Labour Party (including our own Mike Hill MP) enjoying an increase in popular support over recent years, the people of Hartlepool appear to have lost faith in the local Party leading to the significant decline in electoral support the party has experienced since 2012 .
• That our main opposition have now taken an unprecedented move and begun to specifically 'weaponise' the Leader of the Labour Group to worrying electoral effect as reflected by the feedback of our canvassing teams in recent elections who reported regular and growing public criticism of the present leadership on the doorstep. As a result of the above Hartlepool Constituency Labour party does not believe the current leadership of Hartlepool Labour Group has a sustainable future. The party believes that the time has come for new leadership that can command the respect of Hartlepool residents.
This CLP therefore resolves to formally request the resignation of the current leader of Hartlepool Labour Group and request appropriate action from Labour Group members to ensure that the requested change in leadership is forthcoming. On making this request Hartlepool Constituency Labour Party calls for an end to any negative infighting within the CLP, and asks that our party's General and Executive Committees concentrate on issues of importance for both our town and its people.
Proposed: Burn Valley Branch Labour Party, Hart Branch Labour Party, Headland & Harbour Branch Labour Party , Jesmond Branch Labour Party, Rural West Branch Labour Party, Seaton Branch Labour Party, Victoria Branch Labour Party.
Motion 2 That the Victoria BLP request, as a matter of urgency, that the Officers of Hartlepool Constituency Labour Party confirm that Members of the Hartlepool Labour Group are not involved in community or commercial activities that could (or could be perceived to) bring the Labour Party into disrepute. Proposed: Victoria Branch Labour Party.
My understanding is, this particular version of the letter originates from a branch of the Labour membership from the Northern end of the town, possibly Hart, but either way, it doesn't really matter. The substance of the two motions is the same across the town.
They want him gone and they've spelled out exactly why.
Personally i think they've been kind to him.
Apparently that's not the Hart version of the information. But either way, that's definitely the jist of it.
Some memorable lines in that letter. My particular favourite was ...'A growing tide of lies and deception regarding the leadership of the Labour Group across the towns social media,' or how about That despite the National Labour Party ( including our own Mike Hill MP) enjoying an increase popular support over recent years or even ...the leadership of the group is falling short of the seven Nolan principles of public life, namely selflessness, integrity, objectivity, accountability, openness, ,honesty and leadership. Dear me.
My take on the 'No confidence' motion is that, basically, the Labour Party in Hartlepool are trying desperately to save their own skin...and the allowances that come with it! They have total contempt for the citizens of this town, which has been proven by their lack of any action when certain Labour councillors are found to be wanting in moral integrity, shall we say!
Only now, as the Hartlepool public are starting to realise that we are being 'led' by crooks, conmen and charlatans, are the Labour Party being seen to be doing something! TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE! Other councillors (Labour) have sat back, nodded their heads and took the money, with not a conscience between them! They are all complicit and, in my opinion, all deserve to lose their seats! Plus...what exactly has the Chief Exec, Gil Alexander done to stop Hartlepool being dismantled bit by bit? NOTHING...that's what! There should be a motion of no confidence in G. Alexander also. She knows what has happened over the years but has failed to do anything...even covering up for the the idiots on several occasions. 100% complicit also!
This is all well and good but lets make sure he go's and does not get another job that has been made for him in the council .... id like to say MacDonalds is taking on but i dont think they would have the goon .
Quote from: Bluenose on November 12, 2018, 02: PM
While I would be happy to to see the back of both of them, I have concerns of who would be next in line - while i was in the fantasy factory I would not of rated any of them or could we be back to an elected mayor.
you could replace the lot with paper carrier bags, they couldn't do any worse.
Quote from: Owen Jones on November 11, 2018, 09: AM
Who do people think will be or should be the next leader?
Somebody who has morals and ethics, somebody who understands what the town needs, somebody who has the town in their best interests, for me that candidate is Dave Hunter.
I can't see PHF or HIG gaining full control, although I can potentially see a council with NOC.
Whenever the time comes that a new leader of the council is put in place regardless of political persuasion, the replacement should have fiscal experience, management experience, and hopefully a proven track record in business.
Does anybody fit the bill?
What about that Kevin bloke from up the manor ? He has lots of business experience
Or experience of lots of businesses? ::)
They'll do what's best for the Party's image.
Trouble is they all stood like bystanders and allowed a pantomime act take control of things, then to compound it nodded in meek agreement. I'd have trouble voting for anyone who was willing to serve under that lot.
A massive cull is needed, end of.
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 12, 2018, 09: PM
My take on the 'No confidence' motion is that, basically, the Labour Party in Hartlepool are trying desperately to save their own skin...and the allowances that come with it! They have total contempt for the citizens of this town, which has been proven by their lack of any action when certain Labour councillors are found to be wanting in moral integrity, shall we say!
Only now, as the Hartlepool public are starting to realise that we are being 'led' by crooks, conmen and charlatans, are the Labour Party being seen to be doing something! TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE! Other councillors (Labour) have sat back, nodded their heads and took the money, with not a conscience between them! They are all complicit and, in my opinion, all deserve to lose their seats! Plus...what exactly has the Chief Exec, Gil Alexander done to stop Hartlepool being dismantled bit by bit? NOTHING...that's what! There should be a motion of no confidence in G. Alexander also. She knows what has happened over the years but has failed to do anything...even covering up for the idiots on several occasions. 100% complicit also!
just about sums up my feelings on the matter
Proposed: Burn Valley Branch Labour Party, Hart Branch Labour Party, Headland & Harbour Branch Labour Party , Jesmond Branch Labour Party, Rural West Branch Labour Party, Seaton Branch Labour Party, Victoria Branch Labour Party.
I'm not acquainted with party procedure but I'm working on the principal that the elected Labour councillors decide who the leader is. If that is the case and the constituency Labour councillors vote with their constituency wishes then the voting will be -
Burn Valley Branch Labour Party - 1 (Hunter)
Hart Branch Labour Party - 1 (Robinson)
Headland & Harbour Branch Labour Party- 1 (McLoughlin)
Jesmond Branch Labour Party - 2 (Murphy & Belcher) so that will be probably an abstention from Belcher
Rural West Branch Labour Party- 0
Seaton Branch Labour Party - 0
Victoria Branch Labour Party - 3 (Richardson, Truman, Hamilton) - could be 3 abstentions
That gives a total of 4 plus 4 abstentions
That leaves supporting CAB
Foggy Furze -3 (CAB, Cranney, Marshall)
Then we have the others
Fens & Rossmere - 1 (Lindridge) - could be political suicide if he supports CAB so probably an abstention
De Bruce - 3 (Thomas, Cook, Harrison)
Manor House - 3 (SAB, James, Barclay)
So that would give 4 supporting the motion and potentially 9 against with 5 abstentions
If my assumption regarding procedure is correct then CAB will probably see this through but leave the gate wide open for PHF & HIG for May 2019
There's a great screen grab of a tweet by CAB about all members acting on the wishes of their CLP doing the rounds on social media. Lol
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/SApGag.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmSApGagj)
The above is a reference to these incidents:
From Wiki
Eagle announced a leadership challenge to Corbyn on 11 July, saying that "Jeremy Corbyn is unable to provide the leadership this huge task needs. I believe I can". The following day a brick was thrown through a downstairs window at her constituency office address, and it was reported that her staff had stopped answering the telephones because of "abusive" calls. Her local party in Wallasey declared their support for Jeremy Corbyn as party leader "with an overwhelming majority" and proposed a vote of no-confidence in Eagle. This did not take place as the NEC decided to suspend all Labour constituency party meetings during the leadership election. Eagle herself received hundreds of abusive and homophobic messages at this time.
On Tuesday 19 July 2016, Eagle announced she was withdrawing from the leadership election and would back the other candidate opposing Corbyn, Owen Smith, who had received about 20 more nominations from MPs and MEPs than she had. "We need to have a strong and united party so we can be a good opposition, take the fight to the Conservative Government and heal our country. So I am announcing that I will be supporting Owen in that endeavour with all my enthusiasm and might," Eagle said in an interview.
With the support of Eagle, Wallasey Constituency Labour Party was suspended on 20 July 2016 over claims of bullying. It emerged on 21 July that the police have advised Eagle not to hold any open constituency surgeries over fears for her safety, advice which she has agreed to follow with regret.
An internal Labour Party investigation concerning complaints about incidents in Eagle's Constituency Labour Party and other events during her leadership campaign reported in October 2016. It confirmed that she had received homophobic abuse during a CLP annual general meeting earlier in the year. "It's highly likely that the brick thrown through the window of Angela Eagle's office was related to her leadership challenge". "The position of the window made it very unlikely that this was" an action of "a random passerby" and it "was directly between two Labour offices". The claim "that the building was occupied by many companies and the window was in an unrelated stairwell" was misleading as "the landlord had a number of companies registered there; in fact the only other occupant is the landlord on the upper floor".
And:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/angela-eagle-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leadership-contest-no-confidence-vote-constituency-a7141196.html
This is the standard Corbyn-worshippers reaction to anyone who dares stand up to them so if I were the SCABs I would start boarding up my windows and garage the car every night.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 11, 2018, 12: PM
this is from one of what I believe are several slightly different versions of the letter to Labour Party members.
Interesting you say that, is this a ploy by Labour to try and find potential leaks, circulate slightly different letters and see which one makes it's way into the public?
Guess that may fall down if multiple versions get out though haha.
I think each branch secretary might have responsibility for the text in their specific ward, hence the different text per ward.
If I had a direct choice or say in the matter,, regarding the installation of a new council leader, I would gladly back somebody with the integrity, transparency, and approachability of Mr Riddle, who has proven his personal and professional values time and time again.
Somebody of your ilk would be an absolute asset to have in the 'leadership' role of our council.
His mam must of wrote this post
In passing, I happened upon Hartlepool Ambulance Charity today.
It appears to be supported by a number of Labour and Independent Councillors.
Interesting combination that party lines have been crossed and more interesting is who is not involved.
I assume there are no allowances or wages to be had going by the absence of certain names.
Quote from: diSme on November 14, 2018, 05: PM
If I had a direct choice or say in the matter,, regarding the installation of a new council leader, I would gladly back somebody with the integrity, transparency, and approachability of Mr Riddle, who has proven his personal and professional values time and time again.
Somebody of your ilk would be an absolute asset to have in the 'leadership' role of our council.
yup he would have a mountain to climb sorting the shambles the SCABS and their hangers-on have or would leave behind tho
my mother didn't write this post
unless there is a good medium handy ::)
Quote from: diSme on November 14, 2018, 05: PM
If I had a direct choice or say in the matter,, regarding the installation of a new council leader, I would gladly back somebody with the integrity, transparency, and approachability of Mr Riddle, who has proven his personal and professional values time and time again.
Somebody of your ilk would be an absolute asset to have in the 'leadership' role of our council.
Have you been smoking?
Ignoring the trolls, I'm told the mail will be carrying the story I broke in their paper and on their online platforms tomorrow. The initial story about the motion of no
Confidence in CAB. No the recent one leaked to the bbc. Yet.
I'll be interested to see how the mail approach the story..
Quote from: diSme on November 15, 2018, 10: PM
I'll be interested to see how the mail approach the story..
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Hartlepool council leader looking beige after carpet pulled from beneath his feet
It's not really a surprise that he's tried to playing the 'they're bullying me' card. Classic CAB behaviour which he has form for.
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/politics/hartlepool-labour-party-bids-to-oust-leader-in-vote-of-no-confidence-but-council-chief-claims-he-s-being-bullied-1-9446944 (https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/politics/hartlepool-labour-party-bids-to-oust-leader-in-vote-of-no-confidence-but-council-chief-claims-he-s-being-bullied-1-9446944)
QuoteResponding to the motions, Coun Akers-Belcher said: "As has been reported in the national media, there is growing concern across the Labour Party that bullying behaviour is resulting in some political leaders being subject to personal attacks.
It's not a personal attack. They've just realised he's useless. Beyond useless, actually very damaging to their party. This is your CLP waking up and realising something that most people realised immediately.
And you should ALWAYS act on the wishes of your CLP... CAB said so much himself.
"Lies and deception" bringing labour into disrepute. ffs.......What planet are the Corbyn Pixies from, we have had 2 recent Labour Mayors telling blatant lies to the people of the town....
As for a LabTor coalition....A very senior officer of the council when asked about the subject admitted that, to all intents and purposes the council is a Coalition.
He's being bullied ? I don't think a narcissist is classed as a minority or covered by any hate crime policies ?
Quote from: Disgruntled voter on November 16, 2018, 09: AM
He's being bullied ?
He is on firm ground with a bullying claim. The current local Labour officials all have a long history of cyber-stalking and bullying. A quick trawl through Facebook will show you how 1 current official (under an alias) boasted about parking up outside 2 'enemy' houses and spying on the occupants. After one of these boasts a second Labour official chimes in (under her own name-what a tool) offering encouragement and saying she might pop down and give him a wave!
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Note also that one of the London based Corbyn bullying shills from last year has resurfaced today on the Mail Facebook page
Last year:
http://hptimbral.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/index.php/topic,4235.msg45092.html#msg45092
Today:
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Clearly the Hartlepool cyber-stalking team do not want anyone reminding about their past behaviour and have recruited others to do their dirty-work this time around.
EDITAs I am writing this the Mail story and all the comments seems to have vanished. Good job I had a version open in another window and can copy it all.
This is how it looked
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Quote from: DRiddle on November 16, 2018, 08: AM
It's not really a surprise that he's tried to playing the 'they're bullying me' card. Classic CAB behaviour which he has form for.
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/politics/hartlepool-labour-party-bids-to-oust-leader-in-vote-of-no-confidence-but-council-chief-claims-he-s-being-bullied-1-9446944 (https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/politics/hartlepool-labour-party-bids-to-oust-leader-in-vote-of-no-confidence-but-council-chief-claims-he-s-being-bullied-1-9446944)
QuoteResponding to the motions, Coun Akers-Belcher said: "As has been reported in the national media, there is growing concern across the Labour Party that bullying behaviour is resulting in some political leaders being subject to personal attacks.
It's not a personal attack. They've just realised he's useless. Beyond useless, actually very damaging to their party. This is your CLP waking up and realising something that most people realised immediately.
And you should ALWAYS act on the wishes of your CLP... CAB said so much himself.
I would expect the homophobia trump card to be played any time soon....
The question has got to be asked......when CAB, Sab, Cranney, Mad Dog, and all the other useless labour councillors go the journey, do Labour (North) really expect the people of Hartlepool just to forget about all the antics of the mob, the £millions wasted, the CT rises, the spiteful introduction of parking charges in Seaton, the 31% increase in allowances (for Labour councillors!), etc, etc? Do Labour (North) expect to win seats once again in the wards? If they took the mob to the marina, hung drawn and quartered them then fed their carcasses to the crows, I still would never vote Labour ever again. Labour, nationally and locally, have betrayed Hartlepool by allowing this farce to go on for years, despite plenty of warnings as to certain Labour councillors moral integrity. The Hartlepool Post has highlighted, time and again, their failings, their cover-ups and of course HBC's complicity. Yet still, NOTHING was done by Labour North or HBC, only more lies and deceipt.
Quote from: UnknownUser on November 16, 2018, 12: PM
Quote from: DRiddle on November 16, 2018, 08: AM
It's not really a surprise that he's tried to playing the 'they're bullying me' card. Classic CAB behaviour which he has form for.
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/politics/hartlepool-labour-party-bids-to-oust-leader-in-vote-of-no-confidence-but-council-chief-claims-he-s-being-bullied-1-9446944 (https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/politics/hartlepool-labour-party-bids-to-oust-leader-in-vote-of-no-confidence-but-council-chief-claims-he-s-being-bullied-1-9446944)
QuoteResponding to the motions, Coun Akers-Belcher said: "As has been reported in the national media, there is growing concern across the Labour Party that bullying behaviour is resulting in some political leaders being subject to personal attacks.
It's not a personal attack. They've just realised he's useless. Beyond useless, actually very damaging to their party. This is your CLP waking up and realising something that most people realised immediately.
And you should ALWAYS act on the wishes of your CLP... CAB said so much himself.
I would expect the homophobia trump card to be played any time soon....
He will wave a blue badge tonight .
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 16, 2018, 01: PM
The question has got to be asked......when CAB, Sab, Cranney, Mad Dog, and all the other useless labour councillors go the journey, do Labour (North) really expect the people of Hartlepool just to forget about all the antics of the mob, the £millions wasted, the CT rises, the spiteful introduction of parking charges in Seaton, the 31% increase in allowances (for Labour councillors!), etc, etc? Do Labour (North) expect to win seats once again in the wards? If they took the mob to the marina, hung drawn and quartered them then fed their carcasses to the crows, I still would never vote Labour ever again. Labour, nationally and locally, have betrayed Hartlepool by allowing this farce to go on for years, despite plenty of warnings as to certain Labour councillors moral integrity. The Hartlepool Post has highlighted, time and again, their failings, their cover-ups and of course HBC's complicity. Yet still, NOTHING was done by Labour North or HBC, only more lies and deceipt.
Couldn't agree more!
Could well be wrong, but I've a feeling that he'll brazen it out. Some species are incredibly hardy.
Quote from: UnknownUser on November 16, 2018, 12: PM
I would expect the homophobia trump card to be played any time soon....
There is a known playbook for this situation. Expect the SACBs to 'report' incidents where they are abused in the street and minor everyday accidents become 'sabotage'. Remember SAB making up a claim that his Cafe was being sabotaged by a Facebook Campaign saying he was closed etc.? What they normally do is
invent claim they received 'hundreds' of messages of support via Email.
Personally I could not care less which faction wins. They are all cut from the same cloth and its not a falling out over principle but a fight for the levers of power. The more damage they do to each other the weaker they become. Go to it lads, knock seven kinds of shyte out of each other.
PS
If the SCABs have any dirt on the new mob I suggest they send it to me and I will publish it.
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 16, 2018, 01: PM
The question has got to be asked......when CAB, Sab, Cranney, Mad Dog, and all the other useless labour councillors go the journey, do Labour (North) really expect the people of Hartlepool just to forget about all the antics of the mob, the £millions wasted, the CT rises, the spiteful introduction of parking charges in Seaton, the 31% increase in allowances (for Labour councillors!), etc, etc? Do Labour (North) expect to win seats once again in the wards? If they took the mob to the marina, hung drawn and quartered them then fed their carcasses to the crows, I still would never vote Labour ever again. Labour, nationally and locally, have betrayed Hartlepool by allowing this farce to go on for years, despite plenty of warnings as to certain Labour councillors moral integrity. The Hartlepool Post has highlighted, time and again, their failings, their cover-ups and of course HBC's complicity. Yet still, NOTHING was done by Labour North or HBC, only more lies and deceipt.
WORD COMING OUT OF THE CIVIC IS THAT MAD DOG IS RESIGNING HER MANOR WARD PLACE IS TO BE UP FOR GRABS
Quote from: jawsbbc on November 16, 2018, 02: PM
WORD COMING OUT OF THE CIVIC IS THAT MAD DOG IS RESIGNING HER MANOR WARD PLACE IS TO BE UP FOR GRABS
Resigning now?
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on November 16, 2018, 02: PM
Quote from: jawsbbc on November 16, 2018, 02: PM
WORD COMING OUT OF THE CIVIC IS THAT MAD DOG IS RESIGNING HER MANOR WARD PLACE IS TO BE UP FOR GRABS
Resigning now?
please tell me this is true !!!!!
Put the champagne back in the fridge - not yet.
Wonder whether the seacoalers will miss this lot (especially MD) - or the doorstaff at the Borough Hall regret the departure of those who spat their dummies out because the doors weren't held open in an appropriately obsequious fashion? Wonder whether the grandmother who was on the receiving end of Cranney's 'have I slept with you?' outburst will mourn their loss - or the Seaton residents miss the person who enforced parking charges? The list is pretty long ...
I wonder if the rumored picture of a certain Councillor sniffing a line of Cuban white powder will be circulated?
Both motions have been voted FOR.
39 for, 5 against, 2 abstain. (first motion).
The second was 45 for, 1 abstain.
I got that at about 7.07pm Christopher. That's how quickly people within your group are keen to get the message out there.
What was the second motion ? Involment with hubs and resident associations.
Quote from: Disgruntled voter on November 16, 2018, 07: PM
What was the second motion ?
'
From DRiddle at the beginning of the thread. 'In addition, there's also a second part of the compound motion which asks that Labour Party members confirm that they are not involved with community or commercial activities which could (or be perceived to) bring the Labour party into disrepute.'
It was asking elected members to confirm they were not involved with charitable or commercial ventures which could (or be perceived to) bring the party into disrepute.
Which is a little bit like asking a bunch of alcoholics if there are one or two among them who like a drink.
Quote from: Disgruntled voter on November 16, 2018, 07: PM
What was the second motion ? Involment with hubs and resident associations.
the toxic few have got their fingers in most community and residents association trust me
I wonder who they will try to expel next .
Quote from: Disgruntled voter on November 16, 2018, 08: PM
I wonder who they will try to expel next .
They all should be expelled, as they've no doubt voted 'FOR' on contentious issues that have had a negative effect on the Hartlepool residents. Now that they see their allowances threatened by losing their seats at the forthcoming elections, they're in survival mode and think they will be saved by getting rid of CAB. Time will tell. An interesting few months ahead, I think!
If all of the mob are not expelled then the exercise will have been pointless.
Did CAB make any comments about resigning ?
It's a fight in a rats nest.
They ALL marched along in the same column to the beat of the same drum under the same banner, so replacing the old pretenders with caring new ones will change nothing, rebranding this shower will be like swimming down to the Titanic to give it a lick of paint.
Now after the greatest mass slow awakening in politics and rubbing their colective eyes, they've suddenly realised they've been diligently following the circus parade behind the clowns and the ' Amazing Spineless Family', "without a bone in any of their bodies".
Well, it wasn't a dream and you were part of the problem, you were the Circus tent that supported the act and now the clowns have sold the tent you suddenly realise you have a 'problem'. Dear oh dear.
Civic duty or self preservation?
One thing that baffles me is the quote of a 'growing tide of lies and deception' on local social media.
So are their woes based on this? ... and if so, surely that could be nothing to do with their leadership as it's all down to the ' growing tide of lies and deception' on social media?
Just for clarity, he has gone?
There is a lot of decent workers at the authority and need to sort out the bunting.
Quote from: Veritas on November 17, 2018, 06: AM
Just for clarity, he has gone?
There is a lot of decent workers at the authority and need to sort out the bunting.
I don't think he's gone - it's now down to the Labour Councillors to vote him out - as I said in a previous post he'll probably survive.
The only way we'll get rid of him as leader is for an Independent majority in the Council Chamber
Like every one else I want to see the back of CAB......But if he does decide to hang on untill 2020 it will certainly help Independent councillors in 2019/2020.....The prospect of that happening won't give the Corbyn Pixies much satisfaction :D
I hope with all what's going on enough info comes out for a prosecution of sorts. I've been reading the post for approx two years now and can't believe how a lot of councillors have behaved. They should be named and shamed and put on billboards across the town. If i want something I don't con people. Steal or Rob people.I will never vote Labour again. t****..
I think you have a very good point Fred. If the Opposition wants to oust Labour, they will have a better chance if CAB is still around next May. So short term, yes, he's out, but longer term it might mean Labour get their act together and we are all back to square one with a ruling Labour Party. If we want Labour out of power, I would suggest we want CAB to survive.
But is the Opposition united, to take advantage of a Labour Party in disarray? The Tories and possibly the Greens, it seems, have Labour sympathies (for the want of a better word). So, of the rest, I'd assume there needs to be a coming together to create some kind of strategic plan that gives the best possible outcome in May.
Andy Hagon who's we ?
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/politics/hartlepool-council-leader-loses-no-confidence-vote-1-9449714
He will want to stay until he can hide any evidence of wrong doing .
Quote from: Disgruntled voter on November 17, 2018, 06: PM
He will want to stay until he can hide any evidence of wrong doing .
yes just like mra
Quote from: Disgruntled voter on November 17, 2018, 06: PM
He will want to stay until he can hide any evidence of wrong doing .
Some of the cleverest people in the world have thought they could hide their discrepancies and/ or fool the likes of HMRC, etc. Once the 'Authorities' start investigating you, they don't stop until;
a) they find evidence of wrongdoing.
b) they DON'T find evidence of wrongdoing...but don't let you know until they have to!
c) you drop down DEAD with worry / stress. In which case, they'll assume you were 'guilty'of something!
we all know he is guilty
proving it, however, is a different matter
the shredders will be working nights shortly and i suspect a few hard drives will fail ;D ;D
This story is very much like George Orwell's Animal Farm?
Has it been published what he as done ? ::) ::)
Quote from: Veritas on November 18, 2018, 05: PM
This story is very much like George Orwell's Animal Farm?
Rumour has it that George Orwell had a dream of a future world where a dysfunctional group of incompetents took control of a northern town and based Animal Farm on it. I doubt it, as the animals were actually quite intelligent.
I know it's a wicked thought but would anybody else loved to have been a fly on the wall listening to the scabs conversations since the vote?
Quote from: Grumblstiltskin on November 19, 2018, 01: PM
I know it's a wicked thought but would anybody else loved to have been a fly on the wall listening to the scabs conversations since the vote?
A trip to Mr Twisters at closing time should recreate the tantrum experience you seek.
Quote from: Stig of the Seaton Dump on November 19, 2018, 02: PM
A trip to Mr Twisters at closing time should recreate the tantrum experience you seek.
I bet Botox Bart was having a right wobbly while the child in a mans body scratched his head, a la Stan Laurel ;D ;D ;D
The scabs will be laid in bed wearing matching onesies and trying to comfort each other ...the handsome one will desperately trying to make him laugh by stripping off and doing the truffle shuffle ...
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/17232365.vote-of-no-confidence-passed-in-hartlepool-council-leader/
Worth clicking and having a vote on the matter. ;-)
Currently votes number 288 - of these, 94% back the no confidence notion. That doesn't quite fit in with his quoted self belief '... Cllr Akers-Belcher said the motion had been supported by 39 people out of around 600 members of the party, and his own branch supported him "unanimously".'
Maybe 'The Dear Leader' would like to clik on the link below, it would appear that he has a problem with the definition of the word unanimously.....Although he could always ask The Boy in a Mans Body.
Unanimously | Define Unanimously at Dictionary.com
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Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on November 19, 2018, 04: PM
Currently votes number 288 - of these, 94% back the no confidence notion. That doesn't quite fit in with his quoted self belief '... Cllr Akers-Belcher said the motion had been supported by 39 people out of around 600 members of the party, and his own branch supported him "unanimously".'
I was puzzled by the low numbers but this reply on the Echo explains it all:
Nice attempt to misrepresent the reality on the ground by Cllr Akers-Belcher. The 39 votes cast were by delegates to the general committee (members chosen to represent and vote for the views of their branch).
85% of the voting delegates present backed the vote of no confidence and all but one branch meeting supported the motion (his own). The general committee's duty is to voice and enact the will of the wider party, Cllr Akers-Belcher knows this but is trying to pull the wool over reader's eyes by playing down the numbers.
Yes - he's effectively claiming that the delegates did not represent the members' views. Delusional or pig headed?
The latest Northern Echo count is 96% of 711 have no confidence in CAB
We need the same poll doing for our MP
This is the Mail polls on the same subject from 2014. Its strange that the local Labour Party took a further 4 years to see that which was so obvious to everyone else.
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Quote from: mk1 on November 19, 2018, 09: PM
This is the Mail polls on the same subject from 2014. Its strange that the local Labour Party took a further 4 years to see that which was so obvious to everyone else.
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This is why I will never vote for them
They share a talent for being confronted with the 'bleedin obvious' and putting their collective fingers in their ears, closing their eyes and singing loudly till it goes away. But it never really goes away.
It wouldn't surprise me if CAB goes straight for a vote of no confidence - he probably has the numbers, at the moment, to retain his crown and, depending on what the Labour Party Rules are, will stave off another attack on his position for 6 months (or whatever the period is).
If that happens the Labour vote will plummet so after May it won't make any difference as Labour will have lost the majority in the chamber.
No doubt we will see soon enough
The latest Northern Echo Poll is 1037 votes cast with 96% saying he should go
The trouble is, it's cast iron logic up against waffling, self deluding, reality denying, egotistical self worshipping, nonsense!
Even single cell life forms can follow the maths on those figures, so I have to ask did they do simple 'sums' at school? Did they even go to school? I realise any numbers exceeding the sum total of their fingers and toes presents a problem and limits their mathematical 'capabilities'. Did they use a centipede to work out the 30% ?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 20, 2018, 07: AM
The trouble is, it's cast iron logic up against waffling, self deluding, reality denying, egotistical self worshipping, nonsense!
Even single cell life forms can follow the maths on those figures, so I have to ask did they do simple 'sums' at school? Did they even go to school? I realise any numbers exceeding the sum total of their fingers and toes presents a problem and limits their mathematical 'capabilities'. Did they use a centipede to work out the 30% ?
Maths is not their strong point. Therefore i suggest designing a picture of CAB similar to the ghost buster logo ...see of we can get the whole of hpool to use it as their face book profile picture.
They're the Gumbies of local politics (the Monty Python version that is!)
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I'm hearing the situation has plummeted to new levels of farce. Reportedly 'somebody' has changed the name of Hartlepool Labour Groups Twitter account to Hartlepool CLP. Whoever has done it is now bombarding twitter with pro-Akers-Belcher propaganda including a digital version of that embarrassing glossy leaflet claiming his 5 years in charge have been amazing.
'Somebody' is literally pretending to be the CLP and are defending CAB. Meanwhile the real CLP are fighting tooth and nail to remove him.
I imagine if there is anyway to pin this on a specific person (and remember, only certain individuals have the Labour Party group twitter account), that person is likely to have the whip withdrawn and be one step nearer the exit door.
@LabourHpool used to be the way to the formal twitter handle of The Hartlepool Labour Group. Yet all of a sudden @LabourHpool now takes you to the handle Hartlepool CLP. It claims to be the official CLP twitter account. It isn't. Same original account, same hashtag, but now claiming to be the CLP rather than the actual Labour group.
Somebody has made a very desperate, very crude attempt to spin social media in their favour.
This will back fire big time.
There's also this. . . https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/politics/embattled-hartlepool-labour-leader-responds-to-calls-to-stand-down-1-9451553 (https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/politics/embattled-hartlepool-labour-leader-responds-to-calls-to-stand-down-1-9451553) In which CAB claims to be leader of one of the top performing councils in the country.
That's the same 'top performing council' which many of its staff are reporting is barely two years off bankruptcy.
Well to be perfectly blunt about it.....It isn't as if members of the HCLP haven't manipulated social media sites.....Pixies Boy and Co thought themselves very clever when using 1 fb id. and a selection of bitter and twisted a***oles abused people in a disgusting manner.
I might do a spoof one of CAB .
Quote from: fred c on November 20, 2018, 11: AM
Well to be perfectly blunt about it.....It isn't as if members of the HCLP haven't manipulated social media sites.....Pixies Boy and Co thought themselves very clever when using 1 fb id. and a selection of bitter and twisted a***oles abused people in a disgusting manner.
Remember how you had them by the bawls when you were jerking them around on Facebook?
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It was hilarious watching a self-proclaimed 'IT Pixie' wallowing in his ignorance. It went on for months and they still have not figured out what was happening!
'Don't tell him Pike'
https://twitter.com/LabourHpool/status/1063450105792135169
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Hahahahahahahaha this is brill
Own goal ;D
The screen grab above shows the name of the twitter account as showing 'Hartlepool Labour Group', but there are definitely screen shots which have been taken showing the exact same twitter account (@LabourHpool ) as having the name 'Hartlepool CLP'.
Pathetic really. I wonder who came up with this tactic.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 20, 2018, 02: PM
Pathetic really. I wonder who came up with this tactic.
Must be Katie. All the others are functioning illiterates.
Perhaps CAB should take a leaf out of Cranney's
'how to divert funds from a registered CIC into your own personal account purposely set up with with the same initials' masterplan and register a new account for 'Christophers Loyal People' and use a red rose as a badge?
Quote from: mk1 on November 20, 2018, 02: PM
Quote from: DRiddle on November 20, 2018, 02: PM
Pathetic really. I wonder who came up with this tactic.
Must be Katie. All the others are functioning illiterates.
Perhaps CAB should take a leaf out of Cranney's 'how to divert funds from a registered CIC into your own personal account purposely set up with with the same initials' masterplan and register a new account for 'Christophers Loyal People' and use a red rose as a badge?
http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?subid=0®id=519172 owton fens community association
https://companycheck.co.uk/company/07793699/OPPORTUNITIES-FROM-COMMUNITY-ACTION-COMMUNITY-INTEREST-COMPANY/companies-house-data o f c a
In a speech in full council i made on 15th December 2016 I made implicit as well as explicit references to fraud. I spoke about the character traits of people who commit fraud, the psychology of people who involve themselves in fraudulent practices, their personality types etc. All individuals are obviously different, but there are common threads that run through individuals involved in fraud. There are also common threads that run through organisations which leave themselves susceptible to fraud. Obviously i was speaking partly in a general sense ::) and at times specifically about MRA.
I did share concerns publicly, like others have, that i wasn't convinced a situation like MRA would not happen again.
That reminds me, I must pay my utility bills . . .
https://www.hartlepool.gov.uk/info/20004/council_and_democracy/495/full_council_meetings_-_recorded_footage/1 (https://www.hartlepool.gov.uk/info/20004/council_and_democracy/495/full_council_meetings_-_recorded_footage/1)
December 15th 2016's full council video. I refer to fraud from about 1 hour 38 minutes and 40 seconds. If there ever is another MRA or similar situation involving an organisation connected to HBC, at least that can't claim they weren't warned.
Only qualified people need apply .
Quote from: Disgruntled voter on November 21, 2018, 08: AM
Only qualified people need apply .
Alledgedly, their lack of education meant they advertised it as 'quarantined' people instead.
Weaves through the programme. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06pt3s6#play
Did he achieve anything other than making himself look stupider?
This is a man trying to divert the attention onto else and failing miserably. Hopefully this will be his last throw of the dice before he leaves us
has it occurred to anybody yet your missing the point
get rid of CAB SAB and the rest of the family
but we also need to get rid of the rest of the parasites, performing seals, nodding dogs etcor nothing is going to change for the better
The money he is saying Carl took legally but possibly immorally is something he must have known for a long time.
He was withholding until the no confidence vote.
Doesn't that make him look untrustworthy to us and his party comrades ?
He has stood in the middle of the bridge and burnt both ends in my mind.
What time does it start?
It had to happen, cab is singing, in order to divert attention from himself and his predicament?
I wonder why radio tees did not mention the vote of no confidence in the “leader”?
and ask him if this is the real reason he felt
“compelled” to divest at this moment the information? (This would give some “balance” to this story) how long has he known about this?
why now?
Heard the radio broadcast, and it is now very obvious just how far he will go?
Need to stock up the popcorn
Lot's of interesting information flying out of HBC this week. Some of it may well be fakes news, but as you've seen with the vote of no confidence and the smear story on Carl, my sources tend to be pretty accurate. I'll post the latest murmurings on separate threads so if people want to discuss them or if they can add any detail it can be kept focused on the specific issue.
How long before his former 'comrades' Open Pandora's Box.......Or should that be, Lift the Lid on Pandora's S**t Pot.
Quote from: fred c on November 22, 2018, 09: AM
How long before his former 'comrades' Open Pandora's Box.......Or should that be, Lift the Lid on Pandora's S**t Pot.
If and when they do open the box...(they've already taken the money!) will it all just be swept under the carpet....you know...the new, expensive carpet that's in storage (somewhere ::)) just waiting to be used on a 'special' project!
You might find this interesting
https://www.hartlepool.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/212/statement_-_standards_and_partners.pdf
CAB pointing the finger and screaming "Immoral", this person has absolutely no shame or conscience. Botox Bart, the game is up, shut it and run while you can
The Code of Conduct for Councillors
Members of the Authority are bound by a Code of Conduct which requires them, amongst other things
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to treat others with respect
to promote equality and not to discriminate unlawfully
not to use their position to their own advantage or that of their friends, families etc.
not to use authority resources for their own benefit or that of their friends, families etc.
not to conduct themselves in a manner which brings the authority or their office as a member of the
authority into disrepute.
well they have well shot that lot for a start ;D
So in 24 hours he has tried to s**t on Carl and do a mother Theresa impression at the food bank.
What is he going to try next to attempt to save himself?
Cancel council tax for a month and give the kids 2 free bananas ?
ooh I hope he cancels the council tax will make the red letter i had today threatening court action for 21 quid defunct ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
If Carl Richardson does indeed have a 'little black book' with records of all the 'misdemeanors' that dozens of Councillors have commited over the years, then let's hope he has plenty on the SCABs and their cronies.
I hope Richardson gets his knuckles rapped ar** kicked boils my p**s taking all that money and not a days work lazy bar steward.
And he is different from the majority how ?
Quote from: stokoe on November 23, 2018, 08: AM
I hope Richardson gets his knuckles rapped ar** kicked boils my p**s taking all that money and not a days work lazy bar steward.
I think we should take into consideration the fact that when lost his last job Carl 'decided to dedicate himself to the people of the town'......Credit were credits due... ::)
What has the Chief Exec done ?
Considering she earns ten times more I guess she has done 10 x 0 ?
They must be plotting something. They have made their page 'friends only'.
https://twitter.com/LabourHpool?protected_redirect=true
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What a way to run a local political party, I hope someone has screen shots of the social media antics of both party's.
Labour according to the SCABAL and Labour according to the Corbyn Pixies.........
Come April / May next year they will be regurgitated ad infinitum to remind the voters just what kind of Local Labour we have in Hartlepool......2 sets of seriously sad wannbe local politicians, we can do without any of them......ohhh and their coalition partners the Tory 3.
Vote Independent and throw the lot of them out of the council chamber.
Quote from: fred c on November 23, 2018, 03: PM
What a way to run a local political party, I hope someone has screen shots of the social media antics of both party's.
Labour according to the SCABAL and Labour according to the Corbyn Pixies.........
Come April / May next year they will be regurgitated ad infinitum to remind the voters just what kind of Local Labour we have in Hartlepool......2 sets of seriously sad wannbe local politicians, we can do without any of them......ohhh and their coalition partners the Tory 3.
Vote Independent and throw the lot of them out of the council chamber.
Totally agree Fred - I was having a chat with Jonathan Tennant in WH Smiths earlier today and suggested that HIG & PHF need to get their act together for next May - an opportunity like this don't come very often and they need to grab it.
As I have said many times CAB will survive this and in the process destroy the town Labour vote - come on Christopher we're all willing you on
Quote from: fred c on November 23, 2018, 09: AM
I think we should take into consideration the fact that when lost his last job Carl 'decided to dedicate himself to the people of the town'......Credit were credits due... ::)
Sounds good that doesn't it, such a noble sentiment. A life of selfless sacrifice to the service of it's citizens. The Mother Teresa of Hartlepool, or maybe not!
QuoteI was having a chat with Jonathan Tennant in WH Smiths earlier today and suggested that HIG & PHF need to get their act together for next May - an opportunity like this don't come very often and they need to grab it.
Keep in mind the 'opportunity' largely exists as a result of HIG/UKIP
finally coming around to the idea of independent minded groups not contesting the same wards.
Under the old UKIP flag, despite meetings with their regional executives organised by PHF (i should know, i was there) trying to make them see sense, UKIP point blank refused to stand down in any of the 11 wards.
It was only when they realized UKIP was a busted flush and re-branded as HIG that they saw sense and actually did what certain PHF members had begged them to do for around 5 years.
In very recent years, PHF and HIG not 'cutting each others throats by contesting the same ward has allowed the non-labour councillors to grow to numbers not seen for 20 years or so.
My hope is all independent groups of one form or another see that it has been THIS tactic that has been a key factor in squeezing the Labour majority. (That coupled with Akers-Belcher's determination to make them self destruct by being inept).
It must NOT be abandoned in favour of one group getting a bit too big for their boots and trying to go for the kill alone.
We certainly don't want any HIG members going rouge and thinking about backing up the SCAB/MOB position.
Going rouge or rogue?
Otherwise very fair comments.
Apologies, it was a typo. I didn't mean to confuse anyone into thinking I was referring to Barclays face.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 24, 2018, 02: PM
Apologies, it was a typo. I didn't mean to confuse anyone into thinking I was referring to Barclays face.
;D ;D ;D
I got a genuine chuckle from this
It's not major news but Chris Simmons has stood down from his position as President of the CLP.
https://www.hartlepoollabour.org.uk/clp-officers/
I never really knew what to make of him to be honest. On one hand he reportedly coined the term "jumped up benefits clerk" (referring of course to CAB), but on the other, he seemed to stand back and allow said jumped up benefits clerk to do whatever he liked.
Interesting times.
Isn't Chris Simmons the father in law of Former Council Chairman (2002-2012) Carl Richardson ?
Quote from: DRiddle on November 24, 2018, 12: PM
Quote
In very recent years, PHF and HIG not 'cutting each others throats by contesting the same ward has allowed the non-labour councillors to grow to numbers not seen for 20 years or so.
My hope is all independent groups of one form or another see that it has been THIS tactic that has been a key factor in squeezing the Labour majority. (That coupled with Akers-Belcher's determination to make them self destruct by being inept).
It must NOT be abandoned in favour of one group getting a bit too big for their boots and trying to go for the kill alone.
We certainly don't want any HIG members going rouge and thinking about backing up the SCAB/MOB position.
I believe we would agree that this must not be abandoned, David. I don't prescribe to the way some in PHF thought going into the Hart by-election that PHF/HIG should step aside to allow rebel labour candidates to get elected so that they'd have the numbers to get rid of CAB. Us collectively getting rid of the Labour majority is the end game, not just one man.
I've always made the decisions i made politically for the greater good of the town. I DID subscribe to potentially allowing Labour to retain Beck's Hart seat but under the name of Aileen Kendon as i believed it would help cut the head off the snake in helping to remove CAB faster. Had she won he may well have been gone by Christmas as i believe the numbers in a leadership vote would have swung in favour of the new crowd.
There are many people in the town who want a proper Labour council, a real one, not one half full of of parasites. Something will give over the next 18 months. Either the council will be completely fragmented with no group having overall control, or Labour will have a significant clear out of ALL the dead wood and parasites and potentially restore voters confidence.
The longer the SCABS, Cranney, Mad dog etc are around, the more likely we head towards the first scenario. Get him and the scum out sharpish, and Labour most likely hang on and rebuild fully in 2020.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 25, 2018, 12: PM
I've always made the decisions i made politically for the greater good of the town. I DID subscribe to potentially allowing Labour to retain Beck's Hart seat but under the name of Aileen Kendon as i believed it would help cut the head off the snake in helping to remove CAB faster. Had she won he may well have been gone by Christmas as i believe the numbers in a leadership vote would have swung in favour of the new crowd.
There are many people in the town who want a proper Labour council, a real one, not one half full of of parasites. Something will give over the next 18 months. Either the council will be completely fragmented with no group having overall control, or Labour will have a significant clear out of ALL the dead wood and parasites and potentially restore voters confidence.
The longer the SCABS, Cranney, Mad dog etc are around, the more likely we head towards the first scenario. Get him and the scum out sharpish, and Labour most likely hang on and rebuild fully in 2020.
spot on sir ;)
I agree in part with Dave Riddles viewpoint, my problem is with a number of vitriolic abusers with the collective bottle of a French Field Marshall.....Would they have stood face to face with the people they hurled abuse at, I very much doubt it.....Labour need to get rid of them unfortunately 2 of them are elected officers of the HCLP
As for rebuilding labours image in Hartlepool it wood require an awful lot of bricks and half a dozen 2 & 1 gangs of brickies..
What I will say...I will vote for Labour candidates in the future if.....Labour commit 100% to holding an Independent Forensic Investigation into the running of HBC and the LabTor ruling group since CAB took charge.......So it's Independents for me then ::)
https://www.change.org/p/mark-flounders-get-christopher-akers-belcher-to-stand-down-as-hartlepool-council-leader?recruiter=457842486&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition&fbclid=IwAR044zUcrpf6K87hiSrzlVjMg4X6Im_NmtMTuQih2DVaMysmJuOSqaXuMkM
This was launched last night. It's attracting a signature every 30 seconds or so and plenty off comments evidence the general public feeling towards CAB.
Might be worth individuals giving it a shot in the arm via their facebook pages.
I've always maintained that it is this towns best interests for no one party or group to be in overall control of HBC. That way no one group can ride roughshod over the others and we are all forced to sit down around the table and act like adults, working together for the best interests of this town.
I'm sorry but I don't buy the whole small 'n' new Labour pitch either. I'm sure there are some good people involved in the grass roots side of it, just as there are with most Partys. Unfortunately it's those who are pulling the strings who worry me.
So forgive me if I don't pin all my hopes for Hartlepool on the Labour Party coming to the rescue.
Quote from: fred c on November 25, 2018, 12: PM
I agree in part with Dave Riddles viewpoint, my problem is with a number of vitriolic abusers with the collective bottle of a French Field Marshall.....Would they have stood face to face with the people they hurled abuse at, I very much doubt it.....Labour need to get rid of them unfortunately 2 of them are elected officers of the HCLP
As for rebuilding labours image in Hartlepool it wood require an awful lot of bricks and half a dozen 2 & 1 gangs of brickies..
What I will say...I will vote for Labour candidates in the future if.....Labour commit 100% to holding an Independent Forensic Investigation into the running of HBC and the LabTor ruling group since CAB took charge.......So it's Independents for me then ::)
have to agree fred
I tried six years ago. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/calls-to-sign-petition-calling-for-government-probe-into-hartlepool-council-1-5778332/amp
One day it'll happen properly. If the new labour crowd want to exercise the ghosts of the last few years and genuinely start afresh, this is the FIRST thing I'd do once the scum have gone. If nobody has anything to hide, then nobody has anything to fear.
Quote from: DRiddle on November 25, 2018, 04: PM
I tried six years ago. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/calls-to-sign-petition-calling-for-government-probe-into-hartlepool-council-1-5778332/amp
One day it'll happen properly. If the new labour crowd want to exercise the ghosts of the last few years and genuinely start afresh, this is the FIRST thing I'd do once the scum have gone. If nobody has anything to hide, then nobody has anything to fear.
Deputy Chairman of the Council Carl Richardson is quoted as saying.......
"The e-petition is clearly another attempt by the same individuals to try and undermine the new governance arrangements in Hartlepool which are working extremely well."
Given what we know now about Cllr Richardson being paid more than 1 SRA from 2002 to 2012, he would say that.
Quote from: SRMoore on November 25, 2018, 01: PM
I've always maintained that it is this towns best interests for no one party or group to be in overall control of HBC. That way no one group can ride roughshod over the others and we are all forced to sit down around the table and act like adults, working together for the best interests of this town.
I'm sorry but I don't buy the whole small 'n' new Labour pitch either. I'm sure there are some good people involved in the grass roots side of it, just as there are with most Partys. Unfortunately it's those who are pulling the strings who worry me.
So forgive me if I don't pin all my hopes for Hartlepool on the Labour Party coming to the rescue.
Agree 100%
Whatever Labour does will make no difference to me whatsoever.
I will NOT vote for a national party of any political persuasion in local government. No matter what they do, their first loyalty is to the Party.
For the record, i wasn't saying that if they have a purge and remove all of the scum, drunks, parasites and waifs and strays i'd necessarily suddenly start voting Labour. I was simply saying that there is clearly an appetite for a genuine Labour Party in Hartlepool. A lot of the next few years will depend to a large extent on WHO labour attracts once the leaches have been burnt off the body and an assessment/autopsy can be made of the corpse they've left behind.
We've been a two party town for far too long.
The Tories look like a bus trip from a maximum security twilight home for the bewildered who've just got out of the home mini bus and wander about looking befuddled.
Labour in this town with their decades long grip on power have got so cocky and complacent they look like a group of Regency Dandy's with their obedient lackeys looking for a purpose in life and failing spectacularly.
Given that, if God himself descended from Heaven on a shaft of celestial sunlight to declare his intention to take charge of the local Labour Party, I still couldn't bring myself to vote for them or any national Party.
Independents for me, no independent, no vote.
I'm hearing the likely replacement for Simmons within the Labour group CLP may well be Moss Boddy.
Never met the bloke myself.
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/debt-must-be-paid-1-1006127
Quote from: DRiddle on November 26, 2018, 12: PM
I'm hearing the likely replacement for Simmons within the Labour group CLP may well be Moss Boddy.
Never met the bloke myself.
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/debt-must-be-paid-1-1006127
He was the Leader of the Council a number of years ago......I believe he and 2 other blokes have the contract for Summerhill Cafe.........
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/debt-must-be-paid-1-1006127
Quote from: fred c on November 26, 2018, 02: PM
Quote from: DRiddle on November 26, 2018, 12: PM
I'm hearing the likely replacement for Simmons within the Labour group CLP may well be Moss Boddy.
Never met the bloke myself.
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/debt-must-be-paid-1-1006127
He was the Leader of the Council a number of years ago......I believe he and 2 other blokes have the contract for Summerhill Cafe.........
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/debt-must-be-paid-1-1006127
your right fred
plus ça change..................
Quote from: DRiddle on November 25, 2018, 12: PM
https://www.change.org/p/mark-flounders-get-christopher-akers-belcher-to-stand-down-as-hartlepool-council-leader?recruiter=457842486&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition&fbclid=IwAR044zUcrpf6K87hiSrzlVjMg4X6Im_NmtMTuQih2DVaMysmJuOSqaXuMkM
This was launched last night. It's attracting a signature every 30 seconds or so and plenty off comments evidence the general public feeling towards CAB.
Might be worth individuals giving it a shot in the arm via their facebook pages.
Bump
Quote from: fred c on November 26, 2018, 02: PM
Quote from: DRiddle on November 26, 2018, 12: PM
I'm hearing the likely replacement for Simmons within the Labour group CLP may well be Moss Boddy.
Never met the bloke myself.
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/debt-must-be-paid-1-1006127
He was the Leader of the Council a number of years ago......I believe he and 2 other blokes have the contract for Summerhill Cafe.........
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/debt-must-be-paid-1-1006127
I never realised things were that desperate.
Carl has tried (in vain) to get his mate elected on a few occasions, all failed because he was out of touch with the electorate.
Was he ever in touch?
Interesting to see that a certain 'Oliver Akers' has signed the petition.....
Quote from: diSme on November 28, 2018, 03: PM
Interesting to see that a certain 'Oliver Akers' has signed the petition.....
could be fake jut saying
interesting read
Councillor Christopher Akers-Belcher
Yesterday at 14:38 ·
Below is the agenda for the Combined Authority cabinet meeting Friday 30th November. One of the items under my portfolio is for the devolved Adult Education budget and the second is to enhance apprenticeship opportunities across the Tees Valley area:
https://teesvalley-ca.gov.uk/.../tees-valley-combined-author.../
TEESVALLEY-CA.GOV.UK
Tees Valley Combined Authority Cabinet - Tees Valley Combined Authority
Tees Valley Combined Authority Cabinet meets bi-monthly and additional meetings may be...
I can't believe the deluded fantasist still hasn't tendered his resignation!!! He finally has an opportunity to fulfil an action the people of this town want , which is for him to stand down....and once again the jumped up benefit Clark ignores them
The jumped up benefits clerk clearly knows better than the thousands of people who want shot of him..
Quote from: diSme on November 29, 2018, 09: PM
The jumped up benefits clerk clearly knows better than the thousands of people who want shot of him..
Maybe the deluded fool thinks he can "sanction" them, I would love to conduct his benefit interview. Heed the call of the people Cwissy, pack up and p**s off
On another planet. He's like the passenger on the Titanic up to his neck in water without a life jacket, wondering what to wear for breakfast next day.
Just a thought.
If the new Labour pixies where really determined to rid the town of the pestilence that is the SCABS, then surely they would by now have kicked Cwistopher and his minions out of the Labour party, thereby forcing the SCABS to either stand down as councillors or cling on to their allowances, at least until their next visit to the polls, by becoming independent councillors.
Quote from: Gustaf I of England + BWH on December 03, 2018, 07: PM
Just a thought.
If the new Labour pixies where really determined to rid the town of the pestilence that is the SCABS, then surely they would by now have kicked Cwistopher and his minions out of the Labour party, thereby forcing the SCABS to either stand down as councillors or cling on to their allowances, at least until their next visit to the polls, by becoming independent councillors.
Hartlepool is the capital of words with no action.
Quote from: Gustaf I of England + BWH on December 03, 2018, 07: PM
Just a thought.
If the new Labour pixies where really determined to rid the town of the pestilence that is the SCABS, then surely they would by now have kicked Cwistopher and his minions out of the Labour party, thereby forcing the SCABS to either stand down as councillors or cling on to their allowances, at least until their next visit to the polls, by becoming independent councillors.
Have they broken any party rules, that's the question........They should of thought about throwing the sh**e out when they had the chance, I feel sure the Boy in a Mans Body had reasons to be discarded by the party.
Quote from: fred c on December 03, 2018, 09: PM
Quote from: Gustaf I of England + BWH on December 03, 2018, 07: PM
Just a thought.
If the new Labour pixies where really determined to rid the town of the pestilence that is the SCABS, then surely they would by now have kicked Cwistopher and his minions out of the Labour party, thereby forcing the SCABS to either stand down as councillors or cling on to their allowances, at least until their next visit to the polls, by becoming independent councillors.
Have they broken any party rules, that's the question........They should of thought about throwing the sh**e out when they had the chance, I feel sure the Boy in a Mans Body had reasons to be discarded by the party.
But they didn't Fred. And probably never will directly take an action which would lose them power in the short term. They would rather keep the festering pustule that is the SCAB cabal than do what is best for the town of Hrtlpool and its citizens.
Have they broken any party rules, that's the question - actions likely to bring the Labour party into disrepute. Or whatever the official wording is. That's usually a good catch-all when you cannot think of anything else.
Quote from: Gustaf I of England + BWH on December 03, 2018, 10: PM
Have they broken any party rules, that's the question - actions likely to bring the Labour party into disrepute. Or whatever the official wording is. That's usually a good catch-all when you cannot think of anything else.
'actions likely to bring the Labour Party into disrepute', you mean they're not in disprute already? Not so much a Party, more mute bystanders who whisper in the shadows but never speak up. Party minions.
Whispers on the wind are that Dave Hunter's submitted a formal claim to take over leadership from CAB.
I think these may be Chinese whispers
Quote from: Owen Jones on December 07, 2018, 05: PM
I think these may be Chinese whispers
Time will tell.
There is a story here yes. I'll post the full details later over a Rioja.
Right, this is the situation as I understand it from sources within the Labour Party.
Dave Hunter has indeed tabled an agenda idea for the next meeting of Labour's councillors. The item essentially is for a challenge for the leadership. He has followed appropriate protocol and submitted it to the group secretary, who ironically is Stephen Akers-Belcher.
What should then follow is a vote on election/re-election of the leader of the local Labour party who will also become leader of the overall council.
Remember, there are 18 Labour councillors. My understanding is in the 'red corner' are Dave Hunter, Carl, Paddy, Dr Pothole, Lesley and Jim 'I don't need the money' Lindridge (more on him later). 6 cast iron votes against CAB.
In the 'pretending to be red but basically selfish money grabbing bas**ar*s corner' are CAB, SAB, Mammy Belcher, the leech that is Kevin Cranney, Father Ted , Mad Dog and Mad Dog's mate (her who works at ASDA). 7 votes.
That leaves 5 others.
Jean Robinson, who is reportedly not only suffering with her 'bad legs' but also some cognitive issues relating to her memory plus Rob Cook, Brenda Harrison, Stephen Thomas and Katie Trueman.
Whoever wheels Jean into committee room B, tells her what day it is, reminds her which way to vote and in all likelihood literally raises her arm and says "for" for her, will get her vote. The smart money is on the person wheeling her in being SAB.
That puts the hapless jumped up benefits clerk 6-8 with 4 votes to come.
My guess would be that in the SHORT term, Brenda and Rob as de-facto 2019 Mayor and chair of children's services MAY side with SAB. But if they are long term thinkers, they may see the writing on the wall for the CAB and go with Dave.
If that happens, that would put Dave Hunter 8-8 with Katie Trueman and Stephen Thomas still to vote.
Katie then has a choice.
Does she nail her colours to a mast of the boat that is rapidly taking on water and will inevitably sink sooner or later, or does a young councillor with a potentially LONG political future ahead of her take the very sensible option and put the town out of its misery and vote with Dave Hunter?
Likewise, does Stephen Thomas think short term regarding the heathwatch contract or long term with a possible council leader position going begging (as i doubt Dave Hunter wants this for the long term).
There are a lots of ifs and buts here obviously, but my feeling is the fact that Dave Hunter has tabled the agenda item suggests he has some confidence is getting rid of CAB. Otherwise, why do it?
I believe the Labour group meeting which could FINALLY see the end of CABS calamitous reign is in 6 days' time on December 13th.
Come of Katie, Brenda. Stephen and Rob.
Give Hartlepool the Christmas present it deserves.
CAB knows his time is up. Splashing out on printing and distribution of the 5 great years booklet to residents is an admission of that.
Looking at the numbers I still think that CAB will survive the vote - which for the short term future of the town is not good but in the long term would see the demise of Labour. It's already been proved that by simply associating a would-be councillor with CAB that candidate is doomed.
I don't know what the situation with Jean Robinson is, but if what Dave says is correct, surely the Hart residents can call for a by-election due to incapacity of their councillor - couldn't that be something that the 2HIG's may want to consider.
Again from Dave's post wouldn't it be ironic that the proposer for CABs councillor of the year award then stabs him in the back!
Dave - in your post you said more on Money Bags later - we are all ears
I have a feeling this wouldn't have happened if Dave Hunter had not lost the chair position he was enjoying so much.
I am sure he said that he was disappointed because there was so much for him to do.
Personally I was not that impressed as it followed him bringing parking charges to Seaton.
Quote from: Land Phil on December 08, 2018, 08: AM
I have a feeling this wouldn't have happened if Dave Hunter had not lost the chair position he was enjoying so much.
I am sure he said that he was disappointed because there was so much for him to do.
Personally I was not that impressed as it followed him bringing parking charges to Seaton.
I think at the time it was said that Hunter's removal from chair of Neighbourhood services in favour of SAB was the straw that broke the camel's with the CLP.
Hunter replaced MD who, following the introduction of charges for Seaton Car Parking and disposal of waste at Burn Valley, had resigned. He then did quite a lot of damage limitation to "calm the waters". He made a reasonable of job of that only to be rewarded with an out and out money grab by the SCABs - SAB had been replaced by Cook as chair of planning (given to Cook as he lost his SRA for being Mayor) so the SCAB household budget was an SRA down.
Instead of hanging fire for a year, when Cook was Mayor again, they really pushed the envelope and went for it - the rest is history
Quote from: jeffh on December 08, 2018, 07: AM
Looking at the numbers I still think that CAB will survive the vote - which for the short term future of the town is not good but in the long term would see the demise of Labour. It's already been proved that by simply associating a would-be councillor with CAB that candidate is doomed.
I don't know what the situation with Jean Robinson is, but if what Dave says is correct, surely the Hart residents can call for a by-election due to incapacity of their councillor - couldn't that be something that the 2HIG's may want to consider.
Again from Dave's post wouldn't it be ironic that the proposer for CABs councillor of the year award then stabs him in the back!
Dave - in your post you said more on Money Bags later - we are all ears
The situation with Jean Robinson is one that needs to be clarified, if she is unable to function as a councillor can we expect her to continue to take the £160 a week allowance until May 2019, who decides when a non attending councillors allowances cease.........Or as Jeff mentions, could the HIG call for a by election ?
The situation in Hart is quite interesting - I very much doubt the zealots in the CLP will want to continue with their clear out (remember Beck jumped before he was pushed) and with Jean Robinson not due to stand until May 2020 they will be viewing 2019 as a free go at getting the Hart seat back without further damage. If they try to get rid of Robinson under the guise of unsuitability, and force a by-election, they run the risk of losing another another Labour seat.
The CLP must be aware of Jean Robinsons health issues and probably realise that she will not be able to carry out her role as a Councillor...so why didn't they have a by election earlier in the year at Hart ward? I guess we all know the answer to that one! As for the main issue....let's face it, why are the Hartlepool CLP 'suddenly' deciding to have a clean out? Are they genuinely concerned that the residents of this town are suffering under CAB's 'leadership'? OR do they realise that unless something is seen to be done, they (HCLP councillors) will lose their seats and the allowances that go with them! The word PARASITE springs to mind....but even a parasitic organism is more useful than the majority of Labour councillors we have at present!
The only way Jeans term will end early is she either steps down or misses 6 full council meetings in a row.
My guess would be she'll attend JUST enough meetings to stop this happening, probably just about the 2 or 3 required per year. She'll also be made to come along to other internal labour votes such as this one.
The interesting swing vote is Stephen Thomas. His main income steam comes via health watch which had/has a contract which could run until 2021 (theee years plus 2 x 12 month extensions).
Does he have the balls to vote with his conscience and essentially vote against his boss?
I sincerely doubt it . . .
QuoteDave - in your post you said more on Money Bags later - we are all ears
It's not really 'new news' on Jimbo. More just me clarifying my view on him. If he DOES vote against CAB next week my view is it will be for no other reason than to try and save his own skin.
He was elected promising fire and brimstone and that he would "sort out those Akers-Belchers". In reality, he's spent 3 and a half years voting WITH them, cosying up to them and sitting on his hands and doing literally NOTHING to help bring about the change that most rational people knew was necessary years ago.
Concerning the 31% rise, not only did he vote FOR it and take it, he stood in full council, openly stated he didn't need the money, then voted for it anyway.
He only really started to change his tune when Alan Clarke lost his seat in the same ward. That was his wake up call.
He then started to claim he always "has his say".
Spineless greedy little man in my opinion.
The sort of bloke who keeps an eye on which way the sheep are moving and then just runs with the flock. Coward, no time for him.
Quote from: DRiddle on December 08, 2018, 08: PM
QuoteDave - in your post you said more on Money Bags later - we are all ears
It's not really 'new news' on Jimbo. More just me clarifying my view on him. If he DOES vote against CAB next week my view is it will be for no other reason than to try and save his own skin.
He was elected promising fire and brimstone and that he would "sort out those Akers-Belchers". In reality, he's spent 3 and a half years voting WITH them, cosying up to them and sitting on his hands and doing literally NOTHING to help bring about the change that most rational people knew was necessary years ago.
Concerning the 31% rise, not only did he vote FOR it and take it, he stood in full council, openly stated he didn't need the money, then voted for it anyway.
He only really started to change his tune when Alan Clarke lost his seat in the same ward. That was his wake up call.
He then started to claim he always "has his say".
Spineless greedy little man in my opinion.
The sort of bloke who keeps an eye on which way the sheep are moving and then just runs with the flock. Coward, no time for him.
With the writing on the wall in the Fens I think he was hoping that the new boundary changes would come into effect in 2019 which would allow him to cross Catcote Road into the new readymade Labour Ward. If he keeps his nose clean he may have to take a year out then stand in 2020, but if he supports CAB that may be the end of money bags.
Thomas could declare a conflict of interest and abstain.
Loadsa Money's declaration of "I don't need the money, but Im voting for it anyway" has probably made him a toxic candidate wherever he stands.....I have sat in the council chamber and listened to all sorts of hypocritical crap over the years, but Loadsa Money is number 1 on the list.
As for Thomas abstaining on the no confidence vote I doubt it, he can't be seen by the Pixies to be sitting on the fence.....He has to be with em or agin em.
Is there a chance that they will be told how to vote ( a three line whip) ?
Quote from: Owen Jones on December 09, 2018, 02: PM
Is there a chance that they will be told how to vote ( a three line whip) ?
Logically, that would negate the whole point of the vote, but hey ho - this is HBC.
Quote from: Owen Jones on December 09, 2018, 02: PM
Is there a chance that they will be told how to vote ( a three line whip) ?
The whip won't be necessary, I just assumed 'they will be told how to vote' anyway.
This message below is from the Facebook page of Tom Cook, one of the younger members of the Labour Party who is trying to oust the scum and parasites from within.
QuoteThe parallels between the Politics on the national stage and in Hartlepool are at present, nothing short of astounding.
Labour Councillors submitted an item of business detailing a leadership challenge for a meeting that was to be held this Thursday 13th December, against Christopher Akers-Belcher for his position as Leader of the Labour Group and thus Hartlepool Borough Council.
This challenge was issued on the back of a vote of No Confidence in Christopher's leadership of Hartlepool Borough Council by the members of Hartlepool Labour Party.
Concerns have also been expressed by the Party about the leadership's involvement with numerous community projects around the town and the inherent lack of transparency surrounding them.
On Monday afternoon, shortly after Theresa May had cancelled the vote on her Brexit deal, Labour Group Secretary Stephen Akers-Belcher emailed all Labour councillors and observers to inform them that the meeting this Thursday 13th December was being postponed until next Tuesday 18th December.
The chief whip refused to provide an exhaustive list of Labour councillors that had submitted apologies when asked by the Executive Labour Party observer (as is the Party's right), showing contempt for Party members. The same Councillor and incumbent ceremonial Mayor of Hartlepool also recently threatened to stand as an independent councillor in 2019, after failing to be selected by Labour Party.
Upon further investigation, we discovered that numerous last minute apologies were submitted in order to warrant postponing this Thursday's meeting, as the allies of Christopher Akers-Belcher did not have sufficient available attendees to be able to successfully fend off a Leadership challenge.
This is just another example of the dirty, underhanded cheating tactics that this small cabal of Councillors are best known for. Second best for bullying and intimidation.
The Labour Party in Hartlepool have made it clear that they no longer believe Christopher is fit to lead the Council, and as demonstrated in the democratic proceedings earlier this year, the Party are dissatisfied with the performance of some of the Councillors that also happen to support him.
All councillors will be up for selection in 2019 for the all-out elections coming up in 2020. There will likely be more Labour Councillors that lose the opportunity to represent Labour due to the sheer contempt they have shown the Party, members and supporters.
The writing is and has been on the wall for months. So to begrudgingly quote David Cameron, and on behalf of the vast majority of Labour Party members in Hartlepool and the vast majority of residents in Hartlepool: "for heaven's sake man, go".
I'd love the idea of Barclay trying to win a seat, particularly the Manor House seat, as an independent. He'd do well to get 50 votes without the official Labour ticket. He'd also struggle to get his postal vote letters out without collapsing into the gutter.
On the broader content of the message above, the noose it tightening on the parasites. They look to be almost certainly out of Hartlepool Council come 2020.
The worry now though would be the damage they could do in their last year or so at the wheel.
The parallels between the Politics on the national stage and in Hartlepool are at present, nothing short of astounding.
Labour Councillors submitted an item of business detailing a leadership challenge for a meeting that was to be held this Thursday 13th December, against Christopher Akers-Belcher for his position as Leader of the Labour Group and thus Hartlepool Borough Council.
This challenge was issued on the back of a vote of No Confidence in Christopher's leadership of Hartlepool Borough Council by the members of Hartlepool Labour Party.
Concerns have also been expressed by the Party about the leadership's involvement with numerous community projects around the town and the inherent lack of transparency surrounding them.
Those concerns have been expressed by users of The Hartlepool Post for 5 years, numerous questions were asked in council meetings about the grant funding to CIC aka (Councillors Interest Companies) those question were ignored and the questioners abused and vilified by some of those who are now using those reasons to get rid of the SCABAL.
On Monday afternoon, shortly after Theresa May had cancelled the vote on her Brexit deal, Labour Group Secretary Stephen Akers-Belcher emailed all Labour councillors and observers to inform them that the meeting this Thursday 13th December was being postponed until next Tuesday 18th December.
The chief whip refused to provide an exhaustive list of Labour councillors that had submitted apologies when asked by the Executive Labour Party observer (as is the Party's right), showing contempt for Party members. The same Councillor and incumbent ceremonial Mayor of Hartlepool also recently threatened to stand as an independent councillor in 2019, after failing to be selected by Labour Party.
Upon further investigation, we discovered that numerous last minute apologies were submitted in order to warrant postponing this Thursday's meeting, as the allies of Christopher Akers-Belcher did not have sufficient available attendees to be able to successfully fend off a Leadership challenge.
This is just another example of the dirty, underhanded cheating tactics that this small cabal of Councillors are best known for. Second best for bullying and intimidation.
This behaviour has also been well known and widely discussed by users of this forum and there are numerous instances of users of this forum being bullied and intimidated by members of the SCABAL, including a councillor being detained in a police station cell for a day, members of the public vilified and abused in a disgusting sexual and misogynistic manner.
The Labour Party in Hartlepool have made it clear that they no longer believe Christopher is fit to lead the Council, and as demonstrated in the democratic proceedings earlier this year, the Party are dissatisfied with the performance of some of the Councillors that also happen to support him.
All councillors will be up for selection in 2019 for the all-out elections coming up in 2020. There will likely be more Labour Councillors that lose the opportunity to represent Labour due to the sheer contempt they have shown the Party, members and supporters.
They SCABAL, indeed the whole ruling group have held the public in total contempt for the last 5 years, members of the public banned from council premises and attending meetings, the contempt culminated in numerous changes to the towns constitution to suit the ruling groups agenda.......all voted for by the same councillors who are now divided into twp warring factions.
The writing is and has been on the wall for months. So to begrudgingly quote David Cameron, and on behalf of the vast majority of Labour Party members in Hartlepool and the vast majority of residents in Hartlepool: "for heaven's sake man, go".
The writing has been on the wall for 5 years and a good proportion of those councillors that are now prepared to overthrow CAB and his SCABAL, are the self same councillors that have sat with their thumbs up their arses for 5 years and willingly backed the lack of transparency, integrity, honesty, abuse of power, barefaced lying, bullying of members of staff and the public.
With the comments above emanating from the HCLP, will the HCLP, the new leader and his council commit to a full and Independent forensic accountancy investigation into the circumstances surrounding the way the LabTor council has governed the town during the last 5 years.
The worry now though would be the damage they could do in their last year or so at the wheel.
That is the problem.
Perhaps Chris Little should declare Section 114 NOW rather than later?
Turkey's don't vote for Xmas.
Will the vote happen today ? Will we finally get rid of this halfwit?
Quote from: Disgruntled voter on December 18, 2018, 11: AM
Will the vote happen today ? Will we finally get rid of this halfwit?
We'll see ... but personally I suspect that the fireworks will end up as more of a damp squib.
Dave might not have the numbers now. Not heard for certain whether it'll go ahead. I hope it does. Even if he loses we need to know categorically which of the fringe members actually are prepared to publicly/semi-publicly back the SCABS.
My guess would be anyone who DOES support them (outside their obvious hangers on) will be on borrowed time as a Labour councillor.
DRiddle - i totally agree with you . If he stays he will help to destroy the labour party from within and if he remains he will help deselect some of his cronies.
Quote from: Disgruntled voter on December 18, 2018, 01: PM
DRiddle - i totally agree with you . If he stays he will help to destroy the labour party from within and if he remains he will help deselect some of his cronies.
So, a win win for the residents of Hartlepool if the above pans out!
Quote from: Disgruntled voter on December 18, 2018, 01: PM
DRiddle - i totally agree with you . If he stays he will help to destroy the labour party from within and if he remains he will help deselect some of his cronies.
We can only hope so. Then they can get the drains up, flush it out and start again to get a proper Labour Party in the town.
It's a pantomime at present, but we have the cast in house.
Spot the character...
Baron Hardup.......?
The Ugly Sisters.....?
Dick Half Witington...?
Peter Pan.................?
Doc.......?
Grumpy....?
Sleepy.......?
Dopey.........?
CAB has won by 11 votes to 6. The pantomime continues.
Am hearing Dr Pothole didn't even bother to turn up. He didn't want to take sides. Says a lot. He's finished on H and H.
Well, the rudderless ship will keep going around in circles.
Of course he won . They need time to tidy up any loose ends before he goes...a chance to sweep anything incriminating under the carpet . Shred everything before the new blood takes their place.....they wouldn't want another manor community centre fiasco over shadowing their triumphant time in power
There was never going to be a storming of the Bastille, Hartlepool style.
There'll be no rocking the boat and no dramatic changes for the sake of the Party image.
There'll be a seamless transition of change, a tribute to the departing captain of the ship who steered us through bravely the stormy seas of the Austerity Ocean. He will depart while the crew will have tears in their eyes (cue onion) as he 'goes ashore'.
The same old story will wind it's weary way after mutual back slapping, the history of the period re-written and the demented saga will continue?
Alderman CAB..Freeman of the Borough
Oh yes - can just imagine Church Street being renamed Akers-Belcher Boulevarde. As for the statues ...
It would appear the noose the Party is tightening around Christopher's neck was a designer noose made of tissue paper.
Toothless, gesture politics appropriate for the Panto season.
Who copied who, was it Jezza copying the Pixies or the Pixies copying Jezza.....
I said it several times, Tom, Julie, Pixie Bratt et al are clueless at this game. They put Katie in as the secret weapon and she turned on them almost straight away. Katie might be many things but she 'aint stupid. What does she see that makes her reject the new lot and side with the SCABs?
I do wonder if people realise they might be getting more than they bargain for with the Corbyn Pixies....One thing is certain they aren't the panacea for the towns problems that some people think they are.
His left eye is really bad now. The years of Botox have wrecked the upper eyelid . He is not a well man.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/cv3mSa.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmcv3mSaj)
Quite a variation in hair colour too. Anyone know the original colour?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/59/Beaker_%28Muppet%29.jpg)
Is this CAB and Mad Dogs son ???
Oh I now see why their financial management is appalling. The handsome one and Co don't have enough fingers to count past 10
Quote from: Disgruntled voter on December 26, 2018, 08: PM
Oh I now see why their financial management is appalling. The handsome one and Co don't have enough fingers to count past 10
They could always take their shoes off - that would double the counting opportunities ... ;D
I recognise the hair colour though, a heady industrial strength mix of 'Rottweiler Ginger' and ' Plutonium Blonde' from the 'Vision Range'.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on December 27, 2018, 06: AM
I recognise the hair colour though, a heady industrial strength mix of 'Rottweiler Ginger' and ' Plutonium Blonde' from the 'Vision Range'.
;D
I wonder if the labour mob rigged the vote for the butox one to win , purely for him to announce the tax rise. With an objective to kick him out before the next elections?
Mmmmmmm Interesting thought, but the voting record will show all of the labmob voted for the increase........Having said that, nothing would surprise any of us they are capable of anything and everything, is it any wonder voters have sussed out labour in the town.?
Quote from: fred c on December 29, 2018, 10: AM
Mmmmmmm Interesting thought, but the voting record will show all of the labmob voted for the increase........Having said that, nothing would surprise any of us they are capable of anything and everything, is it any wonder voters have sussed out labour in the town.?
I was disappointed that they voted with CAB - this would have been an opportunity to show a new face of Labour - but no - so it looks like it will be same old Labour but different masks
Quote from: jeffh on December 30, 2018, 10: AM
Quote from: fred c on December 29, 2018, 10: AM
Mmmmmmm Interesting thought, but the voting record will show all of the labmob voted for the increase........Having said that, nothing would surprise any of us they are capable of anything and everything, is it any wonder voters have sussed out labour in the town.?
I was disappointed that they voted with CAB - this would have been an opportunity to show a new face of Labour - but no - so it looks like it will be same old Labour but different masks
At least most of the Hartlepool public now knows what a bunch of charlatans Labour are! Let's just remind them at the next local elections, exactly what Labour / HBC has done and what they've NOT done under the leadership :o of CAB! Not forgetting how much CT payers money they've wasted over the years!
It appears the 'noose' was no more than a pure silk, virgin wool lined cravat of reassurance crafted by the Olympically dim followers.
Not so much a local Party, more a modern day Court of Marie Antoinette, architectural follies are thrown at the plebs to impress them. Instead of 'let them eat bread' we get a makeover on a makeover. The Party is toothless, the elite think they're untouchable, but the people will decide their future in politics.