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Title: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: marky on August 09, 2013, 12: AM
now there's a surprise (not).
HBC gives her two months after the audit to sell off/transfer assets before she puts the whole shambles into liquidation.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: fred c on August 09, 2013, 10: AM
A Massive Mistake by HBC, that could impact on council tax payers & the 4 tribunal winners.

It certainly should drag SAB & Beck back into the sh**e.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: testing times on August 09, 2013, 10: AM
Personally, I think the Government should now be involved in this in some sort of way because all the indications are that councillors and some officers have been complicit in all of this from the start.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: jaffa on August 09, 2013, 10: AM
Its is absolutely disgracefull that this.evil woman can get away with doing this surely somebody must be able to intervene and stop her !!!?
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: fred c on August 09, 2013, 12: PM
She is The Manager.......................... The Board Of Trustees are the people who "Should Have" overall control of the organisation, & more Importantly in this case "Overall Control of The Manager".

In the case of MRA we have seen all to graphically that the 3 members of "The Mob" who have had connections with MRA have all been found Lacking any kind of moral responsibility towards either the residents that use MRA or ultimately the Council Tax Payers.

Wilcox has overseen a totally chaotic management & accounting system that has taken HBC 25 years to actually get round to Auditing... the old adage Chaos Creates Cash, is palpably true in the case of MRA.

S Akers Belcher & P Beck, have assumed the role of the 3 Monkeys in all of this, see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, they couldn`t get out of it quickly enough when the Tribunals Started, if they expect people to believe they were oblivious to the chaos that was MRA, they must Howl at the Moon

A Board of Trustees should have a monthly "Board Meeting" you can`t be a Trustee & expect to attend the "Odd Meeting" you have a moral obligation to attend board meetings, to monitor & account for the Running of the company/business, if that system had been in operation MRA wouldn`t have been allowed to become a Basket Case.

To knock the Final Nail in, when HBC finally decided to implement the Audit that was recommended by the Ex Mayor & his cabinet, they discovered a catologue of management & financial disasters that have been seriously compounded by HBC allowing a Get out of Jail 2 month period of Grace.

It`s not as if we haven`t seen this before, the Phoenix Centre episode bears an uncanny similarity, albeit on a smaller scale to MRA.....

What was written across the top of "Every Page" of the report onto the Phoenix Centre.

                                                    NOT FOR PUBLICATION

What will be written across the top of any report into the final demise of MRA & possibly WCN/E ???
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: ARC86 on August 09, 2013, 01: PM
I agree with most of your points but it is not feasible for all trustees to attend monthly meetings given the wide range of people who sits on boards.. it should be standard practice to hold a board meeting every quarter and recieve all financial details for scrutiny in advance as well as any other matters that could be on the agenda.. in short MRA obviously dont hold regular board meetings or this whole sorry mess would have been sorted by now
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: mk1 on August 09, 2013, 01: PM
Please, someone  tell me this means 'they all love him' A-B is going to have to pay Angie's debts.................
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: fred c on August 09, 2013, 04: PM
Quote from: stephen allison on August 09, 2013, 03: PM
Wilcox of course is just a small fish in the "third sector" pond. Charities of all kinds are now just money making machines for the people at the top. Just look at revelations about "Save the Children"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2386616/Save-The-Children-bosses-160-000-bonuses-MP-calls-greater-scrutiny-charity-finances.html

I especially liked the comment that " the payments encouraged the 'very best' from staff " rather like the justification that we need to pay MPs more to encourage the best people to put their names forward. Several years ago I applied for a fairly senior regional job with a national charity. The job description could have been written from my CV and I reached the last stage of selection. I was fairly sure I wouldn't get the job as it had almost certainly been decided who was going to be selected before the job was even advertised, however I know the point at which I blew it totally. I suggested that as the ladies (well predominately ladies) who worked in the organisation's shops were almost all volunteers then surely the regional manager shouldn't be drawing a five figure salary plus car and expenses. I said I'd do the job just for the expenses! The interview panel were horrified! What a dangerous precident to set! It might end up with the chief executive being expected to do the job for peanuts and having to settle for such inadequate rewards as a knighthood or a seat in the House of Lords. Let's face it, Wilcox is just the local level of a national problem. Too many people in the charity game are there to make money for themselves and the charity element of the job is well down their list of priorities. We really are in the final days of the Roman Empire, the people at the top are completely insulated from the realities of ordinary people and their sense of entitlement is getting bigger every day!


Some days i just feel like giving up...after reading that, todays one of them  :( :( :(
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: mk1 on August 09, 2013, 04: PM
Quote from: stephen allison on August 09, 2013, 03: PM
Wilcox of course is just a small fish in the "third sector" pond. Charities of all kinds are now just money making machines for the people at the top.................... I suggested that as the ladies (well predominately ladies) who worked in the organisation's shops were almost all volunteers then surely the regional manager shouldn't be drawing a five figure salary plus car and expenses.


A while back when I got made redundant a bright young thing at the Job Centre decided I needed 'motivating' and  had to get used to 'getting up early for work'. which is odd because I never knew you could lose these skills after a lifetime in heavy industry and working 12 hour shifts but no matter........anyway I was made to work (do it or else) in a local Charity shop for 4 weeks.
It is a large national organisation and well respected for its aims but in my eyes totaly chaotic and focused completely on making money for the manager so he  did not finish low down of the area performance charts. There were several other 'slaves' working there but though it was listed as a training opportunity no one received the slightest bit of training. We were there simply to do the humping and carrying and I felt very sorry for the youngsters there who were always being promised they could 'have a go on the till' but  never got even this level of feeble 'training'  whilst the manager was forever worried some visiting motivation team would drop in and catch him out on something. During my time I saw a couple of these groups and they all looked and sounded like apprentice rejects. They spoke corporate gibberish and only wanted  see the daily sales book. What stuck in my mind was the day we sold a bit of furniture that was returned as damaged. It was junk really and  fit only for the bin. When the manager saw me throwing it in the skip he admonished me and told me to put it back on sale as was. His exact words were 'some idiot will buy it'.
Charidee my ar*se
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: V.Grumpy on August 09, 2013, 04: PM
It makes me very sad to hear so many negative thigs about charities.  Having observed around these boards it is very clear where alot of this ill feeling comes from.

As an auditor/accountant I have come accross various charitable organisations and by far the majority are very admirable at what they do.  Whilst I do not condone huge bonuses being paid charities have to be careful in their remuneration policy, afterall a charity can not be run on goodwill alone.  Runny a charity in that way will never attract the talent that is needed to allow a charity to progessn and be profitable or achieve what is has been set up to do. 

Problems occur when salaries that are set a level to attract talent are paid to a friend or a family member as it then becomes more about the people running the charity then the charitable purpose meant for the wider community.

It is also sad that MRA will end in this way as a small child I remember going to some of the activities provided such as Christmas parties and summer play schemes.  I also have family members who were there at the very beginning when it was set up who will be saddened by this too.  Just hope all charities are not to be tarred with the same brush.

My guess would be that the people affected by the poor management AND Governance at MRA will never see any type of justice as the saying goes some people can fall into a pile s**t and come out smelling of roses!
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Hartlepudlion on August 09, 2013, 05: PM
I would suggest that anybody with a claim against MR WCNE get together and see if they can call in the bailiffs before all assets are sold/frozen. Good luck as I am afraid you will need it.

Just remember who gave Wilcox two months grace. Yep the Akers-Belchers and ALL the current batch of Labour Councillors.

Whistle blowers contact Peter Devlin, HBC's Chief Solicitor.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: mk1 on August 09, 2013, 05: PM
The one ray of hope for the people owed wages is the fact  the 'they all love me' SCAB has his nuts in the wringer. As he is liable for the debts  you can be sure the Council with rush through an emergency payment to clear MR debts.
Angie and her  puppet master were given time and  the nod to pillage MR in return for their silence.
They are all a pile of stinking thieves and liars..............
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: fred c on August 09, 2013, 06: PM
That would warrant a Town Hall Steps Meeting, imagine what the TV & Tory Media would make of that particular Scam.

Serious Questions would be asked about the 2 Months Grace Period, when the accounts & business systems were completely Shambolic.

And the 1st question would be.... Who decided on the 2 months "Fill Your Boots" period ??????

I can see another Public Inquiry on the horizon, but this time featuring an Accountant & The Cops.

Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: steveL on August 09, 2013, 07: PM
Just a bit of additional info:

The infamous trailer which was purchased for around the £34,000 mark a couple of years ago, has been sold to a private individual, not connected to MR or the Council, for £2,000.

The Landrover, which was purchased at the same time, and took the total Landrover/Trailer package up tp £73,000 purchase price disappeared a while ago with an asking price of £14,000. Nobody knows were the money went.

(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/trailer.JPG)
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: fred c on August 09, 2013, 09: PM
Looking at the photograph gives yet another clear Link between MRA & WCN/E, if it was purchased by MRA, why is it decked out in WCN/E Logo`s.

More proven Lies spewed out by members of "The Mob" in full council meetings, what a shower of sh*t they are, turning a blind eye on the abuse of working people....

Some Labour Party we have in Hartlepool.... will they be asking for a Public Inquiry into MRA............. or are they more likely to apply a Pink Paper to the cost of covering up this Scandal.

£73,000 pounds reduced in a couple of years to £2000, surely the cops should be involved, the amount received from the sale of the land Rover & Trailer should be accountable, there should be receipts from the purchaser ???

Corrupt was the word used by J Brash...... he wasn`t wrong about that.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Interested on August 10, 2013, 12: AM
Just out of curiosity and thinking out loud.................................. MRA receive/have received a substantial amount of grant funding from various sources including HBC for projects/programmes etc, some of which are no doubt still ongoing.

If that is the case and the liquidators are involved does that mean HBC go in the queue with everyone else scrabbling for the left overs (if there is any).
I would envisage the majority if not all of the ongoing grant funded projects are in place for the benefit of the children, young people and families of the Manor and certain projects are worked in partnership with other VCS organisations?

Its time this whole sordid business was sorted out once and for all, a lot has been said, published, discussed and argued in private and in public, however it would appear that the powers to be have deliberately decided (by the looks of it) to turn a blind eye.
Name dropping, finger pointing and slagging people off hasn't worked or it would appear even evoked a shred of decency in those who are in a position to sort this out with a bit of dignity.

The only real losers in this whole sorry affair are the residents who need and deserve the support of decent, law abiding, caring charities and VCS organisations.

Pardon my French, but to an outsider looking in " You have all had the p**s taken out of you and are continuing to do so"

The real power lies in the hands of the voters and until decent, law abiding citizens realise what is being done with THEIR MONEY, and decide to do the right thing, this whole grubby, dirty, dishonest affair wont be the last.

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE - HARTLEPOOL
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: fred c on August 10, 2013, 08: AM
Some of us, in fact a lot of us Hartlepudlians  have woken up & can smell the coffee, the problem is the Stench of Corruption overwhealms the rich aroma of  Esmeralda Special

A proper council would have involved the police by now, what did ours do.... gave them 2 months to rip the ar*e out of MRA & shred the evidence.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Mr Mister on August 10, 2013, 09: AM
Fred they can shred what they like, the paper trail is still there, just needs looking for.

But alas the police are spineless along with the council, so the Great manor Rip off with come to it's conclusion with jackshit being done about it.


Stubbs should be ashamed of himself, can't wait for the next time I bump into him to tell him so either.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Fight4whatsright on August 10, 2013, 11: AM
Angies planned this all along thats why shes got her daughter and friends brand new samsung galaxy s 4 phones on contract through manor residents. They have all had new sports clothes from jd sports aswell for the playscheme wich none of them are qualified to do. Its a fekkin joke. In my eyes sum fugga needs to step up now before any more damage is done to the community. Get the whales out
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: steveL on August 10, 2013, 12: PM
It's worth saying that all of the people at MR working with children under schemes contracted by the West View Project have been through Police checks - it's something that we've checked ourselves. It might seem odd, but a criminal record is not reason enough to exclude people from such work - it depends on the nature of the misdemeanor.

It would be a significant step forward if Wilcox was taken out of the equation somehow and MR was put under the control of the West View Project though I doubt it would be practical to do so in its entirety.

Reading the front page story, it looks very much like SAB and Paul Beck must have been aware of Wilcox's moves to liquidate MR back in May which was before most of the Tribunals and before the HBC Audit Report was published. I'd love to hear SAB's definition of transparency given that 'a lack of transparency' was the reason he gave for resigning as a Trustee.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Hartlepudlion on August 10, 2013, 12: PM
Oh no Stevel just remember that three Labour Cllrs are involved with WV
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: steveL on August 10, 2013, 12: PM
Yes they are but that's a different issue. There are different kinds of Labour Councillors, all bound sadly, by the same herd mentality and we can debate some other time whether any Councillors should be involved at all as Trustees or Directors in Community Groups.

At least we can say that in WVP's case, the group has regular board meetings, annual AGMs and that things appear to work the way that they are supposed to work. How much of a contribution the three Councillors make I wouldn't know, but we've never received any expressions of concern over the organisation and it seems to be one community project that does exactly what it says on the tin.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: jaffa on August 10, 2013, 02: PM
Could be that she has spent it on the new carpets,1000 pound of decking & new window she has just put in RAY HARRIMANS house in minch road!!!!! And her daughter sarahs holiday she is having now in spain!!!!
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Fight4whatsright on August 10, 2013, 03: PM
No one in nypd have crb checks they expired and the 2 new recruits dont have them either
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: jaffa on August 10, 2013, 05: PM
The connected care trailor was bought by a man who works.in WEST VIEW PROJECT!!!!
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: tankerville on August 10, 2013, 06: PM
I'm not a lawyer or solicitor but I think that I am right in thinking that although these assets sold by whoever from MRA are still the legal property of the association and cannot be disposed of by consent of designated members of said association.

They; Will almost certainly be charged with Theft.

Criminal proceedings will have already been implemented that is why there has possibly been no public announcement or reaction from police in case it prejudices the outcome of an investigation.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Mr Mister on August 10, 2013, 08: PM
She's legally able to dispose of anything, she is legally responsible as manager, I would have thought, it's for the board if they are not happy with the management to change it.

If they are happy with her action, then it's not anyone else's business in the eyes of the law, I would have thought.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Hartlepudlion on August 11, 2013, 09: AM
Well Stevel, I think that Jaffa has shown you there is no difference between MR WCNE and the West View Project. They are all at it TOGETHER.
Wasn't it M James who singly-handedly gave the contract to WV that the CAB should have got - it seems that she has hidden links with these Cllr led organisations.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: V.Grumpy on August 11, 2013, 10: AM
Quote from: Mr Mister on August 10, 2013, 08: PM
She's legally able to dispose of anything, she is legally responsible as manager, I would have thought, it's for the board if they are not happy with the management to change it.


Any legal responsibility within a charity is the responsibility of the trustees.  A manager is there purely to carry out the wishes of the trustees on a day to day basis.  The position of trustee should only be accepted by people who have the necessary skills to perform the responsibilities effectively. Afterall if you had a company you would not make your best friend a director for the sake of it and that is what we are talking about, trustees are directors of a charity.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: jaffa on August 11, 2013, 11: AM
Quote from: V.Grumpy on August 11, 2013, 10: AM
Quote from: Mr Mister on August 10, 2013, 08: PM
She's legally able to dispose of anything, she is legally responsible as manager, I would have thought, it's for the board if they are not happy with the management to change it.


Any legal responsibility within a charity is the responsibility of the trustees.  A manager is there purely to carry out the wishes of the trustees on a day to day basis.  The position of trustee should only be accepted by people who have the necessary skills to perform the responsibilities effectively. Afterall if you had a company you would not make your best friend a director for the sake of it and that is what we are talking about, trustees are directors of a charity.Well.her best friend Carol Jeffries was introduced in tribunal court as wilcox's manager of trustee board and 2 off the kitchen staff of MR are on the board too MR & Connected Care are both managed by Wilcox
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Mr Mister on August 11, 2013, 11: AM
Sound fair enough..

Not sure if I agree totally.. honest answer I am not sure.

I agree the trustees are also legally responsible, but i would think as manager she has certain legal responsibilities too.

As for asset stripping, either way, if she has the blessing of the board,then she's well within her rights to sell anything at whatever cost, I would have thought.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: misinformed on August 11, 2013, 11: AM
I think we all know that nothing is going to happen now.. other than the fact AW has put MRA into liquidation (allegedly) .. the trustees, wont speak up, come on when AW tells Carol to jump she says how high.. and as for the kitchen staff who are on the board they wont speak up for they work there... we all know what the right thing is to do, but jobs are in short supply and for some its better the devil you know........ sad but true...
all we can hope that some good may still come out of this (ok as I raise my eyes to the sky I wont hold my breath), but 25yrs a lady set this charity up in her kitchen, her hard work has to go on surely, how I don't know and I wish I did........... :'( 
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Hartlepudlion on August 11, 2013, 12: PM
Don't forget that the MR is a charity and WCNE is a community limited company. Charities are overseen by the Charities Commission and community companies by the Department for Industry and Skills. Charities have trustees, companies a Chairman and board. Anyone know who the Chairman is and was if different?
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: misinformed on August 11, 2013, 12: PM
I not a 100% but isn't that man of the radio Hartlepool now the chairperson?? of WCNE/connected care  ? Jason Anderson.. like I said I not a 100% sure but im sure someone on here will put me right
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: DRiddle on August 11, 2013, 12: PM
Quoteall we can hope that some good may still come out of this (ok as I raise my eyes to the sky I wont hold my breath), but 25yrs a lady set this charity up in her kitchen, her hard work has to go on surely, how I don't know and I wish I did

I have a suggestion to that misinformed. But I fear it's far too sensible for our council to actually do.

Manor school will be getting essentially what will amount to a total rebuild/major refurbishment by 2015 under the governments Priority School Building Programme (PSBP) funding.

That's a perfect opportunity to take direction from the residents in the Manor area to establish what they actually want from a residents association and community orientated provision in advance of the build.

The school will obviously be built with a library, catering facilities, sports facilities, office space etc etc. Done correctly, it's absolutely possible to incorporate the major services of a residents association into the school. I know that to be true because I know educational establishments that do it in various respects.

In fact, the major provision currently still being offered by MRA is a pre-school breakfast club. A lot of schools already offer that provision without the need to contract it out to a secondary service.

There's an ideal opportunity for the good work of the lady who started MRA to be formally recognised and a genuine legacy for future generations of people on that live on the estate to be established.

Schools have full audit trails, are subjected to various inspections and audits regularly, their staff are vetted, police checked, suitably qualified, paid appropriately etc etc.

That would be an ideal way to prevent any 3rd sector organisation from becoming a "Vehicle for self interest". It already happens in other boroughs and has been shown to be a very good model.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Stig of the Seaton Dump on August 11, 2013, 02: PM
What an awesome suggestion ...get the professionals to do it.

I know Fens has an excellent and affordable breakfast club, run by unsung heroine to the parent Mrs. Fox.
I guess people outside of Fens School have not heard of Mrs Fox, pity really as she deserves a medal for her attitude and hard work.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: fred c on August 11, 2013, 04: PM
The earliest record we have uncovered of communication between Wilcox and the potential liquidators is dated 9th May 2013 although there are indications of even earlier communications with the insolvency practitioners.  At the time, all of the Trustees would/should have approved the actions taken by the Wilcox as the Trustees are the only ones who can legally sanction such action. This would have included Council Chairman, Stephen Akers- Belcher and Councillor Paul Beck who were still Trustees at the time. The implication is that both Councillors were aware of moves to liquidate the association as far back as early May weeks before the HBC Audit Report was even published

This makes a Complete Mockery of the decision by HBC to give Wilcox & MRA the 2 months period of grace to put things in order.

I wonder if Tom Mitchell has been given this information he is, apparently, still accepting evidence from members of the public in connection with the Public Inquiry ?
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: not4me on August 11, 2013, 05: PM
so while SAB was voting to condemn employers who pay less than the minimum wage he was at the same time working with Wilcox to deny the tribunal winners their compensation. Yep - that just about sums up the present labour lot.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Missy K on August 12, 2013, 08: AM
Quote from: misinformed on August 11, 2013, 12: PM
I not a 100% but isn't that man of the radio Hartlepool now the chairperson?? of WCNE/connected care  ? Jason Anderson.. like I said I not a 100% sure but im sure someone on here will put me right

This would surprise me if Jason was, but in a prominent position as he is, has the Hartlepool Post and Putting Hartlepool First tried contacting him to get on the radio? 
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: SRMoore on August 12, 2013, 08: AM
As far as I know Jason Anderson has no connection to MR/WCNE.

As for a representative of the 'Hartlepool Post' being invited onto Radio Hartlepool... I think they have burnt every possible bridge that led to that happening twice over.

I'm sure PHF will be invited to contribute if the station decides to run election prices again in the future though.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: marky on August 12, 2013, 09: AM
Jason Anderson is on the Board of Who Cares (NE) but is a relatively recent addition and Ged Hall is on the board of Radio Hartlepool.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: DRiddle on August 12, 2013, 09: AM
Moving away from all that and getting back to the issue of MRA potentially being liquidated, I think my idea about the school is a goer. Everyone knows practically everyone at HBC reads this site. Everyone knows i've upset factions of the Labour group recently.

But that aside, in terms of genuinely helping the residents of the estate, i'd be interested in hearing from ANYONE who is an elected councillor who reads this sites opinion on the idea.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Mr Mister on August 12, 2013, 10: AM
Quote from: marky on August 12, 2013, 09: AM
Jason Anderson is on the Board of Who Cares (NE) but is a relatively recent addition and Ged Hall is on the board of Radio Hartlepool.


He was a director for W.C.N.E. for about 4 weeks, but once he saw all the crap hitting the papers, he did more research resigned.

Fair play to him too, he's had enough s**t of his own, without other people too.

Again, I don't spend my time looking lovingly into his eyes, I simply messaged him this morning and asked.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: The Great Dictator on August 12, 2013, 10: AM
Jason is no longer on the board of either MRA or WCNE, i think he lasted 3 weeks then quit..
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: for fawkes sake on August 12, 2013, 10: AM
Schools are usually the biggest investment made in our communities and it has always baffled me why they are not used more as a central community resource especially out of school hours. Some schools do allow their facilities to be used on an evening but we have barely scratched the surface of what is possible.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Hartlepudlion on August 12, 2013, 10: AM
I admire your optimism but

During the Schools for the Future consultation I suggested that the Brierton site could become a large Central Campus housing the Manor College (Brierton was already doomed) and the feeder primaries. They could then share playing fields, sports hall (already there) catering, swimming pools etc thus able to offer better facilities or/& to be more efficient in their delivery of education and services. It could also have become the centre for community services and activities making more effective use of the buildings by being used more. Result: not even considered beyond the Unions wouldn't like it and that they wanted to build more affordable housing on the top site.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Mr Mister on August 12, 2013, 10: AM
Jason has asked me to point out, that if anyone wants to know about his public affairs, then feel free to ring him, Facebook him, email him.. or send a carrier pigeon.. but stop making it up as you go along :)
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: DRiddle on August 12, 2013, 10: AM
I fully agree with you Fawkes. There is a brand new college opened in Stanley in North Durham that is basically a massive high 8 figure investment in the whole community. Re-training for adults, a job shop, sports facilities, adult education, theatre, function rooms, I could go on and on. It's the direction that other brooughs have gone as well in a big way.

Manor school will get the bulk of the £19 million set aside to redevelop it, and two local primary schools. If our council was genuinely interested in improving life in that area for MANY, that's what I think they should do. Talk to the school.

Personally, if I was circulating an election leaflet around Manor House this week, that's what would be on it. I'd be putting that forward as a policy campaign. Telling the people what they COULD get if they voted for my party, rather than bad mouthing other parties.

It's a fact that nationally the electorate do not like negative leaflets, ceratinly at local level.

Hartlepudlian, this time though the rebuild of Manor IS definitely going to happen. (So say the current government anyway). It's on the priority list. Other authorities do this? Why can't ours? Why are we so incapable of addressing what we CAN do, rather than always pointing out what we CAN't do? I mean the council by the way, not you.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: mk1 on August 12, 2013, 11: AM
Quote from: Mr Mister on August 12, 2013, 10: AM
Jason has asked me to point out, that if anyone wants to know about his public affairs, then feel free to ring him, Facebook him, email him.. or send a carrier pigeon.. but stop making it up as you go along :)

I thought you and he were mortal enemies and had a 'history'?
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: misinformed on August 12, 2013, 11: AM
Brilliant idea DRiddle..........
but like every good idea the general public have you can guarantee the council or MOB as it often referred as, will not listen... most schools do a brilliant before and after school club, so I'm not sure why MRA had this sort of contract in the first place, but it worked so really I cant criticise it....
as for JA I did say I wasn't a 100%, I knew I had seen he was on there, but looks like he has sense and brains and thought this is a bad move, I think the only viable thing left in MRA is the nursery and the elderly lunch club....
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Stevef on August 12, 2013, 12: PM
Quote from: The Great Dictator on August 12, 2013, 10: AM
Jason is no longer on the board of either MRA or WCNE, i think he lasted 3 weeks then quit..

Not according to Companies House.

The latest return (08/08/13) still shows him as a director as of February 2013


Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Mr Mister on August 12, 2013, 12: PM
Quote from: Stevef on August 12, 2013, 12: PM
Quote from: The Great Dictator on August 12, 2013, 10: AM
Jason is no longer on the board of either MRA or WCNE, i think he lasted 3 weeks then quit..

Not according to Companies House.

The latest return (08/08/13) still shows him as a director as of February 2013

I have just messaged him and will come back with the reply as soon as he does, I am not his P.A. so messaging him yourself might be to your advantage..

Just saying :)
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Mr Mister on August 12, 2013, 01: PM
Jason Anderson
Well I can absolutely confirm that I have resigned as a director of WCNE, I will be contacting Companies House right now, and asking them to update records accordingly, thank Steve for pointing it out...
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Mr Mister on August 12, 2013, 01: PM
Update!

I am told by Jason Anderson, that he's just rang Companies House and they have had no paperwork submitted from W.C.N.E. with ref to him terminating his directorship, therefore, W.C.N.E did not inform Companies House of his resignation!

CH told him to fill in form "TM01" and send it to them, also, the did say to him that he can back date it to the actual date of resignation, he is very disappointed!

Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: mk1 on August 12, 2013, 01: PM
Given Jason's history of not paying debts (or setting the Police on those who he thinks owed him money) and running a rigged listner competition it is difficult to see  how he could have turned around MR. Call me cynical but I believe it was his history that  chose him for the MR job. The labour group have a tight hold on his funding as well so he is not likely to turn on them.
What I find puzzling is the SCAB's fondness for a man kicked out of the Specials (not the Pop group!) for his attitude to a BLT(sic) transgendermebob person.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Missy K on August 12, 2013, 02: PM
Quote from: mk1 on August 12, 2013, 01: PM
Given Jason's history of not paying debts (or setting the Police on those who he thinks owed him money) and running a rigged listner competition it is difficult to see  how he could have turned around MR. Call me cynical but I believe it was his history that  chose him for the MR job. The labour group have a tight hold on his funding as well so he is not likely to turn on them.
What I find puzzling is the SCAB's fondness for a man kicked out of the Specials (not the Pop group!) for his attitude to a BLT(sic) transgendermebob person.

Hello mk1, after reading your post it does seem like DJ Jason Anderson has pooped in your handbag at sometime in the past, that may or may not be something you wish to share with us on here, however I am very interested to know exactly what grant funding he receives from the Council and what the grant funding is for?
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: mk1 on August 12, 2013, 02: PM
Quote from: Missy K on August 12, 2013, 02: PM


Hello mk1, after reading your post it does seem like DJ Jason Anderson has pooped in your handbag

He might be able to do that to one of the SCABs but I am afraid I do not use such an fashion item. I believe one of Jason's colleagues (male/female/shemale?)did wear one though and that resulted in Jason being sacked!

Quote from: Missy K on August 12, 2013, 02: PM
I am very interested to know exactly what grant funding he receives from the Council and what the grant funding is for?

The Radio Station.
Have you noticed how certain local politicians (from one party only) are given  a lot of airtime and no awkward questioning?

I presume the saga of the 'banner ladies' sipped past you?

Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Missy K on August 12, 2013, 02: PM
mk1, I am not really interested in what seems any gripe you may have with DJ Jason Anderson or indeed his past, what I am very interested in is the grant funding he receives from the Council, please tell me more, is it for him personally or for radio Hartlepool, how much and how often is the Council grant paid?

Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Mr Mister on August 12, 2013, 02: PM

J.Anderson would like me to point out that he receives no funding from H.B.C.





Just saying!
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: fred c on August 12, 2013, 03: PM
Quote from: Missy K on August 12, 2013, 02: PM
mk1, I am not really interested in what seems any gripe you may have with DJ Jason Anderson or indeed his past, what I am very interested in is the grant funding he receives from the Council, please tell me more, is it for him personally or for radio Hartlepool, how much and how often is the Council grant paid?

The following is a copy of an email i recieved from S Drummond ( Note the Date )

It was in response to an email from me querying a HBC grant of £2,500 to Radio Hartlepool if they gained accreditation from the relevant Authorities.

I believe they did gain the neccessary acreditation & got the cash, but i have no idea if RH receive any regular grant funding from HBC

Sent: Friday, 18 November 2011, 21:17
Subject: RE: Radio Hartlepool

I do not know whether they have started work towards the accreditation yet or not.  The expectation would be for them to carry out the work within the financial year.  Every chance will be given to them, as it would with any voluntary sector organisation, to complete what they set out to do.
___________________________
_____________
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: misinformed on August 12, 2013, 03: PM
HERE HERE JAFFA............. applause to you  :)
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Missy K on August 12, 2013, 03: PM
fred c, thank you for that info, however it is dated 2011 and Stuart Drummond an Independent was clearly holding the reins with that one.  mk1 posted that the current rein holders (as Stuart Drummond an Independent has gone) of our town the Labour party were funding DJ Jason Anderson and calling the shots if this is the case mk1 how much, when and for what do the Council give in grant funding to him?

With factual information, although old that fred c has added a link to, we can ask questions, however if its just pie in the sky and a guess, well wont we look like complete buffoons amongst readers of this page if the truth is different.

Once again thanks fred c.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Mr Mister on August 12, 2013, 04: PM
Quote from: mk1 on August 12, 2013, 11: AM
Quote from: Mr Mister on August 12, 2013, 10: AM
Jason has asked me to point out, that if anyone wants to know about his public affairs, then feel free to ring him, Facebook him, email him.. or send a carrier pigeon.. but stop making it up as you go along :)

I thought you and he were mortal enemies and had a 'history'?


No MK1

I have fell out with you more times than Jason Anderson, so I guess we have more history, when we had our thing, it didn't upset me, I just ejected him from my business premises, he won't be the first or last, I get on reasonably well with him, I think apart from today, I have only spoke to him a couple of time in the last couple of years, but I know where he is and vis vera should the need arise..



Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: mk1 on August 12, 2013, 06: PM
Quote from: Missy K on August 12, 2013, 02: PM
mk1, I am not really interested in what seems any gripe you may have with DJ Jason Anderson or indeed his past,
I do not have any 'gripe' with Jason.
I simply mentioned a few (that means not all of them. there were more)of the scrapes he has gotten involved in over the last few years.
If you believe in a man who can run a rigged competition on the radio (rigged so his mates win a prize) then by all means continue to place your faith in him.

Jason is a supporter of the current shower of sh*te running Labour.
I am sure he is driven by greed more than politics but  only a fool would think he is (was) anything more than a safe pair of hands appointed not to sort things out but to do his masters bidding and  cover their backs..









Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: marky on August 13, 2013, 07: AM
What hypocrites these people are. Does anyone remember the Labour sheep, including Wilcox, all voting to condemn those employers who paid their employees under the minimum wage?
Hypocritical that might have been in itself but I've been reading the front page and it occurs to me that while they were casting their votes Wilcox, Stephen Akers-Belcher and Paul Beck would have already been aware that Wilcox was talking to the Liquidating Company about winding up Manor Residents and that it was only after this that Wilcox resigned as a councillor and the two other cowards did a runner as Trustees. I would guess that this was in an attempt to save their own pockets - a mistaken attempt by the sound of it because it looks like they are still liable. Labour my ar**. . . . . self-serving carpetbaggers the lot of them.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: DRiddle on August 13, 2013, 06: PM
I see The Mail have ran the story that the connected care renewal has gone to HVDA and other organisations including MIND like was talked about on here a while ago. It's buried on page 26 of the paper version of The Mail.

I'm not sure if it's on their website yet.

Apparently WCNE are working with HVDA to ensure a, quote ' "smooth" transition. '
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: steveL on August 13, 2013, 08: PM
Did anyone notice how Councillor Stubbs (Labour) described how successful the Who Cares(NE) period had been. Not bad for an organisation HBC's own auditors could give only limited assurance about and whose finances are so inter-twined with the disgraced Manor Residents that no one can tell the difference.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: pensionater on August 14, 2013, 04: PM
Exactly stevel,if they were that successful they would have won the tender again.Unless they asked for more money this time,which i wouldn't put past Cranney.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: brassed off monkey on August 14, 2013, 06: PM
KC mentions that he was "Disappointed" at the decision.

                                                    I bet he bloody well was
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Caracas on August 15, 2013, 08: PM
Isn't it ironic that Wilcox looks like an extra from Prisoner Cell Block H?  Hopefully this sorry saga will come to an end soon but I think there will be more tears before bedtime.

As for the trustees/board of these organisations, they must be in it for a) their ego's b) payment.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Hartlepudlion on August 15, 2013, 08: PM
I doubt if it was ego, just greed
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Stevef on August 18, 2013, 01: PM
Just an update, papers haver been posted on companies house ending Jason Andersons directorship of WCNE as of 15/08/2013.

Nice to know MRA are on top of things :)
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: CC082 on August 20, 2013, 09: AM
Front page of Hartlepool Mail today.....MRA going to court to request insolvency...Handily not appearing on the website yet but it is on the front page.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on August 20, 2013, 11: AM
Quote from: CC082 on August 20, 2013, 09: AM
Front page of Hartlepool Mail today.....MRA going to court to request insolvency...Handily not appearing on the website yet but it is on the front page.

Now on the Mail website - what an appalling state of affairs!

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/local/insolvent-trouble-hit-manor-residents-association-faces-liquidation-1-5968172
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: marky on August 20, 2013, 11: AM
There's a fiddle afoot here when you consider that the HBC Audit showed Manor Residents to have £180,000 in the bank. if it's allowed to continue trading it will still be under the management of Wilcox and her patsy Trustees who are all currently busy trying to hide assets from creditors.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: fred c on August 20, 2013, 12: PM
I don`t think anyone will be surprised by this , least of all "The Consort & Beck", now we can all see why they did a runner, the attempt to distance themselves from what was going on was a cynical act to avoid their responsibilities.

By their inaction the board of Trustees & Former Trustees are accountable for what has happened, the financial mis-management that has taken place lies four square at their door, & they really should be held financially accountable.

This is a cynical ploy by Wilcox to throw the blame onto the 4 Employment Tribunal Claimants, they are being put into a No Win position, but in all honesty they should resist this blatant attempt by Wilcox to blacken their names & go for the money owed to them, HBC should have had the Chutzpah to address this Scandal months ago.

A full & proper Retrospective Audit should now be conducted to find out what has happened to the assets & funds that were held by MRA, If memory serves there was £180,000 in MRA bank accounts when the Audit took place.

The 2 month period of "Grace" given to MRA, now looks to have been a Major Blunder by HBC.


Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: mk1 on August 20, 2013, 02: PM
If I were Linda and the others I would vote to send MR under. She still has the Trustees to take action against and the Ackers Belcher certaimnly has the money to pay up.
The bonus is a Receiver will find out where all the money went. Angie's puppet master has shown that once someone gets him in court he is exposed for the liar he is.
Other local charities will step in and pick up the MR Contracts. I expect the Labour group to fight like cat and dog to award the   the new contracts to themselves and close family members.

.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: The Great Dictator on August 20, 2013, 05: PM
Total and utter scum.
Title: Liquidation Move Thrown Out
Post by: steveL on August 21, 2013, 12: PM
Just to let people know that this action by Wilcox was thrown out in the County Court this morning within 2 minutes after neither Wilcox nor anyone representing her failed to turn up. The bailiffs are now free to take the appropriate action on behalf of the tribunal winners.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: grim reaper on August 21, 2013, 12: PM
Odious is an epithet used quite regularly on here regarding Wilcox.
How very apt a word to describe her.  >:(
It is also a word I would use to describe those labour clowns that have given her every support, despite the obvious 'wheeler-dealing'.  >:(   >:(

What I would like to know is why there appears to be no movement in her prosecution for the alleged theft of furniture and for the police allegation of perverting the course of justice?  ???

I would also like to know why there's no money in the coffers of MRA/WC-NE despite the fact they have been handed millions of pounds of council tax payers money..not to mention hundred of thousands from other sources like Northern Rock etc.
When are we going to see a thorough independent audit of the finances of the corrupt organisation?  ???
Title: Re: Liquidation Move Thrown Out
Post by: Stevef on August 21, 2013, 01: PM
Quote from: steveL on August 21, 2013, 12: PM
Just to let people know that this action by Wilcox was thrown out in the County Court this morning within 2 minutes after neither Wilcox nor anyone representing her failed to turn up. The bailiffs are now free to take the appropriate action on behalf of the tribunal winners.

You really couldn't make it up. >:(

If anyone knows the location of the assets spread out over the Manor, PM me the address's, we will pass them on.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: mk1 on August 21, 2013, 03: PM
It looks like this was a tactic  intended only to frighten off the creditors.
The last thing Angie wants is someone going through the books and seeing where all the money went. She has support from the SCABs and I still say they will find a way to shovel money into MR in order to avoid anyone from the outside getting a look at the accounts.
The SCABs are so corrupt they will stop at nothing to preserve their image.

By the way has anyone got a copy of the actual words used by the SCAB who brought up the 'draught from trains' excuse?

Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: DRiddle on August 21, 2013, 03: PM
I don't have a copy of the words, but I was there and I heard what he said. It's in the minutes although it certainly isn't written up in the exact words he used.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: jimbo on August 21, 2013, 10: PM
Don't forget about the lock up out the back of Manor Residents, it could be an Aladdin's cave. Well done Lynda  ;) :) ;) ;) :)
Title: Re: Liquidation Move Thrown Out
Post by: fred c on August 22, 2013, 09: AM
Quote from: steveL on August 21, 2013, 12: PM
Just to let people know that this action by Wilcox was thrown out in the County Court this morning within 2 minutes after neither Wilcox nor anyone representing her failed to turn up. The bailiffs are now free to take the appropriate action on behalf of the tribunal winners.


It might just be me........... But it looks as though the Article on this has Disappeared from the Mail........ Yet Another One
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: CC082 on August 22, 2013, 11: AM
Has anyone noticed this company information??

http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/manor-community-resource-centre

New address.....AND new Director....
Title: Re: Liquidation Move Thrown Out
Post by: CC082 on August 22, 2013, 11: AM
Quote from: fred c on August 22, 2013, 09: AM
Quote from: steveL on August 21, 2013, 12: PM
Just to let people know that this action by Wilcox was thrown out in the County Court this morning within 2 minutes after neither Wilcox nor anyone representing her failed to turn up. The bailiffs are now free to take the appropriate action on behalf of the tribunal winners.


It might just be me........... But it looks as though the Article on this has Disappeared from the Mail........ Yet Another One

It's on the online paper version still so not completely gone...
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: fred c on August 22, 2013, 11: AM
Nice Spot CC082


Quote from: CC082 on August 22, 2013, 11: AM
Has anyone noticed this company information??

http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/manor-community-resource-centre

New address.....AND new Director....


Another 149 Companies use this address ???

I wonder who appointed Her as a Director ???

MANOR COMMUNITY RESOURCE CENTRE LIMITED
Document: AP01 - Appointment of director
DIRECTOR APPOINTED ANGELA WILCOX
Filed on: 16 Aug 2013

   
MANOR COMMUNITY RESOURCE CENTRE LIMITED
Document: AD01 - Change of registered office address
REGISTERED OFFICE CHANGED ON 21/08/2013 FROM
COMMUNITY RESOURCE CENTRE
KILMARNOCK ROAD
HARTLEPOOL
CLEVELAND
TS25 3NU
Filed on: 21 Aug 2013
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: steveL on August 22, 2013, 11: AM
This is the Limited Company that had £40,000 in its bank account which Wilcox claimed she knew nothing about.(not the charity Manor Residents association)
Wilcox was appointed as Director on 16th August and the Registered Office is changed on 21st August, the same day as MR is meant to be in court asking for a postponement of bailiff action.

The registered Office address has been changed to the address of Absolute Recovery whose address is:

Absolute Recovery Limited
1st Floor, Block A
Loversall Court
Clayfields
Tickhill Road
Doncaster
DN4 8QG
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: jaffa on August 22, 2013, 01: PM
Oh so Ray Harriman is a Director as well as Wicox he must have crawled out from under his stone where was he when MRA was being took to tribunal all I can say is shame on you Ray for letting her ruin a good charity!!!!! DISGRACEFULL
Title: Are we just wasting our time
Post by: Kitchnstauff on August 22, 2013, 03: PM
I have been commenting on this forum for some time now about the crisis hit MRA and the actions of the so called manager of the association A Wilcox; the posts I write are factual and have a lot of weight behind them; the posts themselves have had a lot of good comments!

But I now find myself wondering if any of this is getting through to the people who can actually do something about her and the trustees/management committee or is it just falling on deaf ears?

Over the last weeks the Hartlepool Mail has been full of stories about how Wilcox is putting MRA into liquidation and debtors are calling meetings to arrange payments, which! Apparently she did not attend?? So why is it that not only the trustees of this organisation but the local council/councillors are letting her spend thousands of taxpayers pounds on the refurbishment of MRA, surely this money can be utilised to pay the HMRC for none payment of tax and NI for the remainder of its employees who are now in turmoil with the HMRC about it.

Can this woman be so vane as to think she can carry on flouting the law in its entirety or does she know something we don't?

A saying comes to mind "give a person enough rope etc." well I think Wilcox has had more than her fair share, it's time to call in the hangman.
Title: Re: Are we just wasting our time
Post by: mk1 on August 22, 2013, 03: PM
Her back is well covered. If she goes down the SCABs are exposed as liars and cheats.
There is nothing they will not do to protect their huge income stream.
Strenuous efforts are being made  to keep  SAB  'clean' until after he is awarded the Freedom Of The Borough.
Title: Re: Are we just wasting our time
Post by: CC082 on August 22, 2013, 04: PM
Freeman of the Borough....To graze his sheep I imagine!
Title: Re: Are we just wasting our time
Post by: seaton on August 22, 2013, 05: PM
You will be surprised how few people actually buy the Mail. They were giving half price vouchers away in Tesco the other week.
There is total apathy in th town with regard to politics, the usual` what can we do about it as Labour will always be elected`?
I think the low turn out in the Manor election and the Mayoral referendum indicates what little interest there is in the town. Ask the general public what they think of MRA and they will say whats that ?
Its a national thing for me as in general the younger generation, well I would say the under 45`s are not interested in politics. The demise of the unions could be the cause of this as in my generation every one was a union member more or less so we knew what was going on. How many of the current Goverment or the opposition are actually `grass roots` politicians who rose through the ranks from the `shop floor` to becoming an MP, is there any ? Maybe 1 or 2 but I couldnt put a name to any of them.
Title: Re: Are we just wasting our time
Post by: Caracas on August 22, 2013, 05: PM
Seems like Hinge and Brackett don't answer to anyone.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Caracas on August 22, 2013, 05: PM
Makes me laugh how she can dare walk the streets.  There again, she's too grand to live at The manor these days, isn't she?
Title: Cell Block H Re-Launch
Post by: marky on August 22, 2013, 06: PM
That picture has been on the front page of The Mail more times than I can remember. Wouldn't you think that they would taken a new one by now?

Anyways, I suppose it did fulfill one use, it reminded me to remind all of you that there's a re-launched, brand new series of Prisoner Cell Block H on Channel 5 next week - I kid you not.
Title: Re: Are we just wasting our time
Post by: marky on August 22, 2013, 06: PM
Quote from: mk1 on August 22, 2013, 03: PM
Her back is well covered. If she goes down the SCABs are exposed as liars and cheats.
There is nothing they will not do to protect their huge income stream.
Strenuous efforts are being made  to keep  SAB  'clean' until after he is awarded the Freedom Of The Borough.

Please tell me that this is just mk1's sense of humour running away from him  :-[
Title: Re: Are we just wasting our time
Post by: mk1 on August 22, 2013, 07: PM
Quote from: CC082 on August 22, 2013, 04: PM
Freeman of the Borough....To graze his sheep I imagine!

Why would he want the Labour councillors to 'graze'....oh sorry, wrong sheep!

Title: Re: Are we just wasting our time
Post by: rabbit on August 22, 2013, 08: PM
Lord of the Manor, perhaps?
Title: Re: Are we just wasting our time
Post by: mk1 on August 22, 2013, 11: PM
Quote from: kipperdip on August 22, 2013, 09: PM
Can I say to Seaton that I was following his arguments regarding apathy etc right up to the point where he reckoned that more power to the Marxist Trade Union leaderships was the solution.....................For Seaton to propose an increase in Trade Union power..........giving increased powers to the Marxist dinosaurs of the TUC is definitely NOT part of the solution.


Everything is the fault of  'Europe'  or  caused by 'Reds Under The Bed'!

What Seaton said:

The demise of the unions could be the cause of this as in my generation every one was a union member more or less so we knew what was going on.

Nothing at all to do  with 'Marxist Trade Union leaderships'.
A simple neutral observation used by a far right  extremist to start the  proverbial fight in an empty room.



I think I speak for many here when I say these outburst are becoming  more and more bizzare.  Frankly they give the forum a bad name, guilt by association and all that.
Can we not have a forum just for this type of outburst. Call it 'The Padded Room'.

Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: steveL on August 23, 2013, 07: AM
Personally, I've come to the conclusion that HBC is in the thick of this and I don't just mean the councillors but some of the senior officers too. In June 2013, two months after the first Tribunal, HBC published an audit into the charity, carried out by HBC staff, which revealed that the charity had £180,000 in the bank in late February. By May, Wilcox was already talking to Absolute Recovery.

The conclusion of the Audit Report was that the auditors could give no reassurances about the financial management of Manor Residents and HBC absurdly gave it two months to get its act together during which monthly follow up reviews would be carried out. When the first of these reviews was due, Wilcox cancelled it saying that she was busy/ill . . . the council seem to have been OK with this. From what I gather, there have since been no reviews carried out.

You could call this corporate negligence, given the amount of taxpayer's money which has gone into this organisation, but I think I would call it complicity and part of a much bigger cover-up.

The time has long since passed when the Police should be called in and, if Cleveland Police are reluctant to get involved, then perhaps it needs to go further afield and that reluctance can become part of the investigation.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: fred c on August 23, 2013, 08: AM
It is now apparent the 2 Month Grace Period was a Massive c**k-up, what have Manor Residents done with £180,000 in a couple of months, I would imagine Tom Mitchell is aware of this ridicules action by HBC & it will only give him a greater insight into the calamitous Auditing of MRA by HBC.

Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: stokoe on August 23, 2013, 08: AM
would not surprise me if the money has gone to a few to keep schtum.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: grim reaper on August 23, 2013, 09: AM
I've been saying for a while, why the reluctance from the police to start investigations?  ???   8)

Maybe a letter direct to the labour police commissioner asking why?  8)

We already know Cleveland police are not to be trusted, so who could we approach above them, that is not tainted by the smell of labour complicity?

Stevel is right and I've said it before, the 'cover up' goes right to the top of HBC.  :o

Somebody, somewhere is fighting to keep a lid on this scandal of massive proportions.....it will not move forward until an impartial entity is brought in to investigate the whole rotten edifice.  >:(
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: jaffa on August 23, 2013, 09: AM
An email has been sent to CAB asking for a full investigation into where the money has gone but has not replied as was expected if needs be it will be took further up as far as possible this woman is not getting away with what she had done and is just left to continue doing
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: fred c on August 23, 2013, 10: AM
Quote from: jaffa on August 23, 2013, 09: AM
An email has been sent to CAB asking for a full investigation into where the money has gone but has not replied as was expected if needs be it will be took further up as far as possible this woman is not getting away with what she had done and is just left to continue doing

Don`t know how "High Up" you hope to go ?, but i can tell you with certainty that an email was sent to The Borough Solicitor, cc`d to the CEO of HBC & Supt G Gudgeon, senior Officer in Hartlepool, with regards to MRA & requesting that the police be involved.

I like yourself & many others are dumbfounded as to why this Scandal has been allowed to continue without the police being asked to look into things.

The very least that could be done is for a Comprehensive Audit to be undertaken by HBC into the accounts of MRA immediately, we have already seen with the Phoenix Centre scandal that things were allowed to continue for far to long & in effect the Council Tax Payers via HBC bailed them out to no avail.

The same situation should not be allowed to happen again............. Council Tax should not be used to Bail Out MRA.............. our council might attempt to paper over the Obvious Scandal at MRA, but a Full & Public Inquiry should be conducted into what has gone on at MRA & WCN/E,  & "Every Penny" that has gone through the hands of MRA Management should be accounted for.
Title: Re: Are we just wasting our time
Post by: seaton on August 23, 2013, 01: PM
Quote from: kipperdip on August 22, 2013, 09: PM
Can I say to Seaton that I was following his arguments regarding apathy etc right up to the point where he reckoned that more power to the Marxist Trade Union leaderships was the solution.
You will notice I said TU leaderships and not rank and file memberships being part of the poisonous mix that lies at the core of our present ills.
For Seaton to propose an increase in Trade Union power as the solution shows that he hasn't understood the problems we face as a trading democracy.

It's very reminiscent of the time when Labour's GE campaign slogan was, "Labour is the answer".
This evoked the response - "If Labour is the answer, it must have been a f****ng stupid question".

There is no silver bullet to resolve the questions of apathy or anything else in this complex problem, but giving increased powers to the Marxist dinosaurs of the TUC is definitely NOT part of the solution.

I am not advocating a return to the old days, the unions had to be curbed but Thatcher went too far, wont go down that road.
i was pointing out about the lack of `grass roots` politicians, nowadays it s university and straight into politics with out having `served there time`so they have no idea what its like on the outside world.
Title: Re: Are we just wasting our time
Post by: mk1 on August 23, 2013, 03: PM
Quote from: kipperdip on August 23, 2013, 03: PM


With virtually all TU leaders - Len McLuskey, Bob Crow specifically being either current or former Communist Party members perhaps you'll acknowledge that this presents a real danger to our country.

I think the real danger is those people with a history of activity in far right neo-Nazi groups.

Were you not an active  member of many  such groups and  have had personal contact with the likes of Colin Jordan?
Were you not a member of one group that had some of it's activists jailed for fire-bombing synagogues in London in the early 1960's.

Did you not actively  campaign under a banner saying  'keep Rhodesia White"?


To all who think  'why drag up the past'.

I refer them to this man's  quote at the start of the post  where he 'drags up the past'.

Sauce/Gander, glass houses/stones etc.




Title: Re: Are we just wasting our time
Post by: mk1 on August 23, 2013, 03: PM
Quote from: kipperdip on August 23, 2013, 03: PM

Especially if this fact is hidden from the electorate (and also very many TU members) by a servile press and media - most notably The BBC.
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Quite the most stupid claim every made.

A simple Google of the Words 'Bob Crowe, Communist' brings up so many hits you have to wonder why the poster is reduced to such blatant distortion of the facts.
Crowe is a favoutite target of the right-wing thug who corrupted the entire UK establishment and reduced the Police to his own private agency(one Rupert Murdoch) and hardly a week goes by without a claim along the lines that Crowe was born because a DNA scraping from Hitlers skull was injected into a pregnant mummified (my joke-geddit?) Eva Peron on 6th June 1966 to create the new anti-christ!
Indeed if you google any of those named with the word communist you will find stories from every UK newspaper. I am at a loss to understand this blatant attempt to deceive.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: not4me on August 23, 2013, 04: PM
Just think about the timings. I believe the audit report was publuished in June and yet, as Steve says, Wilcox was already talking to the liquidation people in May. So when the audit report was being discussed, shouldn't Wilcox or SAB have told the rest of the council and the auditors about Absolute Recovery? I'm assuming that the auditors didn't know because if they had they would surely have included this little nugget of information in their report?

All of the effort seems to be going into keeping the public in the dark.
Title: Re: Are we just wasting our time
Post by: not4me on August 23, 2013, 04: PM
oh dear, another case of all roads lead to the Treaty of Rome

The origins of all of this may well be Brussels KD, but you spoil a good point by taking it to the nth degree. The immediate problem is the perverse and totally political way that Hart was selected as the prefered site. Sure, people can spend years trying to get the Government, or the EU for that matter, to change the policy or we can take the view that, for the moment, we're stuck with it and all we can do now is to ensure that it's implemented fairly and impartially. In our case, it wasn't and that's were the battle lines must be drawn.
Title: Re: Are we just wasting our time
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on August 23, 2013, 04: PM
Heaven help Hartlepool - the town is in free fall, but instead of pulling together to try to sort things out the right vs left bickering starts!

Now about Madame Wilcox & her merry acolytes - are we wasting our time, or is it still evolving around us? Answers on a postcard please ...
Title: Re: Are we just wasting our time
Post by: Vincent on August 23, 2013, 04: PM
Quote from: Kitchnstauff on August 22, 2013, 03: PM
I have been commenting on this forum for some time now about the crisis hit MRA and the actions of the so called manager of the association A Wilcox; the posts I write are factual and have a lot of weight behind them; the posts themselves have had a lot of good comments!

But I now find myself wondering if any of this is getting through to the people who can actually do something about her and the trustees/management committee or is it just falling on deaf ears?

Over the last weeks the Hartlepool Mail has been full of stories about how Wilcox is putting MRA into liquidation and debtors are calling meetings to arrange payments, which! Apparently she did not attend?? So why is it that not only the trustees of this organisation but the local council/councillors are letting her spend thousands of taxpayers pounds on the refurbishment of MRA, surely this money can be utilised to pay the HMRC for none payment of tax and NI for the remainder of its employees who are now in turmoil with the HMRC about it.

Can this woman be so vane as to think she can carry on flouting the law in its entirety or does she know something we don't?

A saying comes to mind "give a person enough rope etc." well I think Wilcox has had more than her fair share, it's time to call in the hangman.

Short answer is YES - wonder what the new councillor has to say about it all .....silence
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Vincent on August 23, 2013, 04: PM
The master puppeteer is behind all this and still walks the streets with impunity
Title: Re: Are we just wasting our time
Post by: mk1 on August 23, 2013, 05: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on August 23, 2013, 04: PM
Heaven help Hartlepool - the town is in free fall, but instead of pulling together to try to sort things out the right vs left bickering starts!
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Who is the 'left wing 'poster?

If you mean me then I expressed no support for anyone. I pointed out the person trying hard to introduce such a left-right  fight is not entirely without motive.

He posted outright lies and I pointed out where his errors lay.

Frankly the repeated efforts to inject 'Europe' and 'Marxism' into every friggin  topic are  becoming a problem.  Silly conspiracy theories down our throats at every opportunity.
I am not the only one to remark about this obsession............................
Title: Re: Are we just wasting our time
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on August 23, 2013, 05: PM
I wasn't calling anyone left or right per se MK1 - merely pointing out that this was getting way off topic
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: jimbo on August 25, 2013, 02: PM
Its all quiet on the Western Front, Wonder if the 4 b 4 is still removing things from the backdoor at MRA????  :D
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: fred c on August 25, 2013, 02: PM
Quote from: jimbo on August 25, 2013, 02: PM
Its all quiet on the Western Front, Wonder if the 4 b 4 is still removing things from the backdoor at MRA????  :D


Surely You Jest..................

They are only "Making Use" of the "2 Months Of Grace" given to them by HBC.

I can tell you for 100% certainty........ Tom Mitchell is fully aware of what is going on with MRA.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Hartlepudlion on August 25, 2013, 03: PM
Yes fred we all hope that Mr Mitchell is going to do great things on our behalf. However, I wouldn't hold out too much hope re how MR is run/managed. I understand that his brief is how the Cllrs are involved in the letting of contracts. Thus how badly/fraudently MR is run is probably outside his brief. Let us hope it isn't and he can do something about it. Have the Charities Commission been informed and are they taking action?
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: jaffa on August 25, 2013, 06: PM
Charity commisions have been contacted on few occasions by diffrwnt ppl all I can say is wait for her falling from her  ;D ;D ;Dso called POWER !!!!
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: testing times on August 26, 2013, 10: AM
The biggest mystery to me is why the police have so far shown no interest. I think that should be of real concern to everyone.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: DRiddle on August 26, 2013, 12: PM
Absolute guff from Barclay by way of a letter on page 8.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: jimbo on August 26, 2013, 01: PM
5 Mins ago on Carol Jeffries facebook (treasurer of MRA) "BURGER VAN FOR SALE"
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: DRiddle on August 26, 2013, 03: PM
I'll written a response to it and sent it to The Mail. Hopefully they'll print it later this week. Let's just say I didn't agree with Mr Barclay.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: fred c on August 26, 2013, 04: PM
Quote from: DRiddle on August 26, 2013, 03: PM
I'll written a response to it and sent it to The Mail. Hopefully they'll print it later this week. Let's just say I didn't agree with Mr Barclay.

Most of us don`t purchase The Mail...... lol

Wheres the copy of "The Engineer`s" letter..... & ... Is it Coherent
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: DRiddle on August 26, 2013, 04: PM
I can't bring myself to scan it or type it out. Reading it once was enough to induce nausea.

Basically it's a glowing eulogy of 'Our Ste', Marjorie 'unique service' James, and the whole Labour lot.

The bit that I will type out is where he writes

QuoteWinning a 56 per cent share of the vote, in spite of certain opposition's negative campaigning for what I see as feeble attempts to vilify past and present Labour Councillors

By that I assume he means the 'past' one who broke a multitude of tax and employment laws, the one who's also on bail for too many alleged criminal offences to mention, the one who has driven a charity in receipt of literally millions of pounds to the brink of bankruptcy and.... the two or three present ones who did nothing to stop it, and have said little or nothing since running away from their responsibilities.

'Vilify' means 'to speak ill of', 'to slander' or 'to defame'.

It's usually a word people throw around to describe when someone is saying something that is NOT true.

I wonder which part of the MRA scandal identified by the council's own auditors, a judge, 4 employment tribunals and an insolvency company Allan seems to think isn't true.

Come on Christopher, take his pen and paper away from him please.
 

Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: mk1 on August 26, 2013, 04: PM
 Barclay letter in today's Mail


THE support I have received is testimony to the hard work and commitment devoted to the residents of Manor House ward by my Labour colleagues.
Winning a 56 per cent share of the vote, in spite of certain opposition's negative campaigning and for what I see as feeble attempts to vilify past and present Labour councillors, this only proved to endorse the communities' confidence and trust in the new governance arrangements at Hartlepool Borough Council.
  Although the tum-out was low, which can be expected in a by-election, the result of a 3-1 majority over our nearest rivals was evidence to the fact that the Labour Party in Hartlepool is the only political party with a manifesto and vision for our great town.   
I would like to thank Stephen Akers-Belcher, my agent, for all the hard work that he has done because, without him, this success would not have been possible, ; and also to Marjorie James who has been a mainstay at every point in the election.
I would also take this opportunity to thank all those that have helped me, too many to mention now but I will thank them personally later.
Lastly my thanks to the residents of Manor.House ward for their support and having the faith to back me.
I will not fail them and will work closely with Stephen, Marjorie and my Labour colleagues to make the ward a safe and happy ward to live . Thank you all.
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: George on August 26, 2013, 08: PM
I struggle to understand why the town allows these people to do what they do, time after time, crap year on crap year, useless decision after useless decision.  ::)
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: bimbo 1 on August 26, 2013, 11: PM
This robbing sod has took the money took the p--- and nose she rubs our nose in it she must be accountable to some one it stinks if you ask me
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: mo the lawn on August 28, 2013, 10: AM
It now seems that the nice new councilor was at a BBQ this weekend at MRA  so is that how to say thank you for voting for me but i know how my bread is buttered.; Bet he didnt mention that on doorsteps when begging for votes. How can MRA have a BBQ with no money  are they now in league with farmfoods as well .
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: jimbo on August 29, 2013, 04: PM
Any sign of the bailiffs going in yet????? What is the delay ????? :D :D
Title: Re: Wilcox Moves to Put Manor Residents Into Liquidation
Post by: Hartlepudlion on August 29, 2013, 09: PM
I gather that the letter in the Mail was the same as his election address after the count. Smells of the two ABs and Edwin.