Thanks to Hartlepool TV. Look forward to hearing the answers to this one!
https://www.facebook.com/HartlepoolTV/videos/vb.1773778589599090/1751733608265886/?type=2&theater
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/details_of_any_and_all_commercia#followup
Overdue FOI request....It is almost impossible to gather any information concerning this organisation, HBC Openness, Transparency, Accountability...... My A**e
Quote from: fred c on January 16, 2019, 09: PM
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/details_of_any_and_all_commercia#followup
Overdue FOI request....It is almost impossible to gather any information concerning this organisation, HBC Openness, Transparency, Accountability...... My A**e
Quelle surprise ...
I'll bet there's receipts given out tomorrow, if anyone asks for them! How does MyCafe qualify to get free food? Is it a charity? A CIC? As for the food handling, eg, items that are / were frozen, perhaps HBC's Environmental Health Dept should be informed! ::)
Does the supplier of the food to the centre have documentation to account what goods were handed over to them?
Is there a distinction between the cafe and the community centre or are the people who run this the same people?
Is there documentation for food purchased solely for the cafe?
Stevie Wonder could see that this is a dodgy affair !!!
You need proof, not supposition.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 17, 2019, 10: AM
You need proof, not supposition.
Absolutely. What we've often found at the Post is that things are a bit like a jigsaw - little snippets suddenly gel and the story becomes clear.
Well said Lucy.
Remember the Wilcox affair.
Quote from: Hartlepudlion on January 17, 2019, 08: PM
Well said Lucy.
Remember the Wilcox affair.
Strangely enough, that was one of several events in my mind, too ...
https://www.facebook.com/HartlepoolTV/videos/vb.1773778589599090/2188184131509642/?type=2&theater
Thanks to hartlepool TV for the update.
So what was burnt in the fire that didn't activate the fire detectors ?
I hope it wasn't receipts, accounts etc.
Black Cat - the Post's columnist - seems to have taken a peek.
http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/index.php/news/291/Black-Cat/January-18-2019/BLACK-CAT-and-THE-LOST-LUNCH
So....are the tenants responsible for the cost of the damage, like they were when there was a flood? Whose responsibility is it to check and test the smoke detectors? Questions need to be asked by and to HBC and asked by the Fire Brigade. Seems like a serious breach of H&S to me.
Word on the street has it, that a recent study of the electrical systems decreed that all was in order at "that" time. That other factors could be involved can only be determined by a thorough investigation, in the fullness of time, for which "we have no money" maybe the mantra. It would appear to get a tad more complex when looked into deeper. However, it would be inappropriate to speculate at this juncture.
Keep safe and keep well.
Switch things off at night unless essential. Even then, ensure they are checked at regular intervals. Dont overload sockets.
Begging bowl is out. Don't forget to donate.
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https://www.facebook.com/stephen.akersbelcher?__tn__=%2Cdl%2CP-R&eid=ARDRBSKv-cOhG4ME0wqtI-qCbsW40dqodtfY2W58HrGUmJgMv1dqV5JajA6A5PfPRyKVZ_y1nsxifCBM
Quote from: mk1 on January 18, 2019, 10: PM
Begging bowl is out. Don't forget to donate.
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https://www.facebook.com/stephen.akersbelcher?__tn__=%2Cdl%2CP-R&eid=ARDRBSKv-cOhG4ME0wqtI-qCbsW40dqodtfY2W58HrGUmJgMv1dqV5JajA6A5PfPRyKVZ_y1nsxifCBM
Think I'll pass on that.
It appears I am blocked and can't tell him to cash his gold medals in.
Is that poundshop fake tan ?
An advert for 'Rifty Shifty Soot', their new chimney sweep business? Or he burnt the toast?
I heard someone ordered egg on toast and SAB cracked the eggs into the toaster . . .
He might have got away with it if he hadn't boiled them in petrol first.
According to the fb page all profits go to the Rifty /Community Project.......Why then is he listed as the business owner in a FOI answer........Has the Rifty become a charity ?
Quote from: fred c on January 19, 2019, 09: AM
According to the fb page all profits go to the Rifty /Community Project.......Why then is he listed as the business owner in a FOI answer........Has the Rifty become a charity ?
Yes Fred I was going to post a similar reply, Rifty Project gets loads of comments from SAB etc about money, all profits being 'donated' to the Rifty Projectq ?
Why does the sooty face look like it has been applied with a blusher brush ?
How come the t-shirt looks like it is perfectly clean ?
Surely it is a joke ?
SAB's stated that they do not have insurance to cover this - only for buildings (which I would have expected to be under the owners, HBC's auspices) plus public liability.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 19, 2019, 11: PM
SAB's stated that they do not have insurance to cover this - only for buildings (which I would have expected to be under the owners, HBC's auspices) plus public liability.
oh dear how sad never mind
he will have to get the oxo tin out then ;D
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 19, 2019, 11: PM
SAB's stated that they do not have insurance to cover this - only for buildings (which I would have expected to be under the owners, HBC's auspices) plus public liability.
IF he is actually registered as self employed, then he should have an insurance policy that covers everything, even if he's renting the place properly, which we still don't know!
So if he / MyCAFE / The Rifty has no (specific) insurance cover and a fire is found to be SAB's fault, who pays for the costs of repair and equipment? Will HBC pay for everything? If HBC tried to claim the costs back from SAB and he has no specific insurance, what then? Does HBC write it off? Do HBC check if any business renting property from them are fully covered for insurance, primarily to ensure that in the event of an 'incident' and possible claims , the tenant will be able to cover any costs and not HBC?
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 19, 2019, 11: PM
SAB's stated that they do not have insurance to cover this - only for buildings (which I would have expected to be under the owners, HBC's auspices) plus public liability.
funny thing no insurance ;) ;) when SLEPARA ( SEATON LANE ESTATE PARENTS AND RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION were enquiring about renting jutland road community centre (ofca,s hub) once it had closed down (this was the back end of october 2018) ( keys supposed to be handed over to hbc on the 1/12/18 but still have not been handed over) we were informed that there was no insurance so bingo that was being held in the centre and attended by 30/40 residents had no insurance cover >:( >:( >:( insurance was paid by a seaton councillor who was helping us to take over the running of the centre only for the centre to close 3 weeks later when we enquired about the closure we were told we would have to take ofca,s debt on of £4000 and ofca farms debt of £6000 before it could be up and running (words out of yousef khans mouth one of kevin cranneys mob to numerous residents) we have since found out that hbc were paying the rent gas and electric on jutland road community centre so here we have a community centre that is stood rotting in one of the most deprived areas of hartlepool with nowhere for our younger/older children to go no wonder we are suffering with ASB there is no were on this estate for them children to go
Wonder if the Hill Carter's former owners debt was paid off by the next owner took over (course it were not) but the matter has a similar ring to it in theory, but huge difference in amounts. Strange that a debt in one instance is seemingly recoverable from another potential user , yet in a similar case it was wrote off as unrecoverable. Strange world indeed.
Quote from: jawsbbc on January 20, 2019, 12: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 19, 2019, 11: PM
SAB's stated that they do not have insurance to cover this - only for buildings (which I would have expected to be under the owners, HBC's auspices) plus public liability.
funny thing no insurance ;) ;) when SLEPARA ( SEATON LANE ESTATE PARENTS AND RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION were enquiring about renting jutland road community centre (ofca,s hub) once it had closed down (this was the back end of october 2018) ( keys supposed to be handed over to hbc on the 1/12/18 but still have not been handed over) we were informed that there was no insurance so bingo that was being held in the centre and attended by 30/40 residents had no insurance cover >:( >:( >:( insurance was paid by a seaton councillor who was helping us to take over the running of the centre only for the centre to close 3 weeks later when we enquired about the closure we were told we would have to take ofca,s debt on of £4000 and ofca farms debt of £6000 before it could be up and running (words out of yousef khans mouth one of kevin cranneys mob to numerous residents) we have since found out that hbc were paying the rent gas and electric on jutland road community centre so here we have a community centre that is stood rotting in one of the most deprived areas of hartlepool with nowhere for our younger/older children to go no wonder we are suffering with ASB there is no were on this estate for them children to go
It occurs to me that if there's no Labour councillor(s) running the community centre(s) then there's NO chance of any external groups renting it, especially when a Seaton councillor (not Labour!) is involved! Seems like Cranney has spat his dummy out and is also trying to con SLEPARA into paying his debts! Lower than a snakes belly (no offence to snakes, btw!),
It really is time a "senior officer" of the council took a long hard look at the circumstances surrounding the Masefield Road Community Centre and The Rifty Project and My Cafe in particular.......On the one hand S Akers Belcher is the "business operator" of My Cafe, on the other all profits from the "community cafe" goes towards running the Rifty Project, which is it, a business or a community fund raiser ?
Only recently another business was touted as moving to Masefield Road, has that business rented space from the council or has it sub let space from the Rifty Project or My Cafe, who is liable for the utility bills for that business, has that business got the requisite insurance in place ?
Does HBC have strict protocols for the letting of council properties to businesses, are regular HSE checks carried out, how often are the businesses vetted for there insurance responsibilities ?
MRA was a community centre, looking back on that period how long did it take for HBC to galvanise themselves into looking at the accounting proceedures at Kilmarnock Road and look at the shambles they discovered when they did.
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on January 20, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: jawsbbc on January 20, 2019, 12: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 19, 2019, 11: PM
SAB's stated that they do not have insurance to cover this - only for buildings (which I would have expected to be under the owners, HBC's auspices) plus public liability.
funny thing no insurance ;) ;) when SLEPARA ( SEATON LANE ESTATE PARENTS AND RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION were enquiring about renting jutland road community centre (ofca,s hub) once it had closed down (this was the back end of october 2018) ( keys supposed to be handed over to hbc on the 1/12/18 but still have not been handed over) we were informed that there was no insurance so bingo that was being held in the centre and attended by 30/40 residents had no insurance cover >:( >:( >:( insurance was paid by a seaton councillor who was helping us to take over the running of the centre only for the centre to close 3 weeks later when we enquired about the closure we were told we would have to take ofca,s debt on of £4000 and ofca farms debt of £6000 before it could be up and running (words out of yousef khans mouth one of kevin cranneys mob to numerous residents) we have since found out that hbc were paying the rent gas and electric on jutland road community centre so here we have a community centre that is stood rotting in one of the most deprived areas of hartlepool with nowhere for our younger/older children to go no wonder we are suffering with ASB there is no were on this estate for them children to go
It occurs to me that if there's no Labour councillor(s) running the community centre(s) then there's NO chance of any external groups renting it, especially when a Seaton councillor (not Labour!) is involved! Seems like Cranney has spat his dummy out and is also trying to con SLEPARA into paying his debts! Lower than a snakes belly (no offence to snakes, btw!),
I can't quite understand what Mr Y Khan has to do with the Jutty Road Community Hub, being a pal of Cranney should not qualify him to speak about debts owed by the centre or the farm.....those responsible for those debts are the people the council or whoever is owed the debts should be seeking redress from...........
Quote from: fred c on January 20, 2019, 04: PM
It really is time a "senior officer" of the council took a long hard look at the circumstances surrounding the Masefield Road Community Centre and The Rifty Project and My Cafe in particular.......On the one hand S Akers Belcher is the "business operator" of My Cafe, on the other all profits from the "community cafe" goes towards running the Rifty Project, which is it, a business or a community fund raiser ?
Only recently another business was touted as moving to Masefield Road, has that business rented space from the council or has it sub let space from the Rifty Project or My Cafe, who is liable for the utility bills for that business, has that business got the requisite insurance in place ?
Does HBC have strict protocols for the letting of council properties to businesses, are regular HSE checks carried out, how often are the businesses vetted for there insurance responsibilities ?
MRA was a community centre, looking back on that period how long did it take for HBC to galvanise themselves into looking at the accounting proceedures at Kilmarnock Road and look at the shambles they discovered when they did.
How is it that these people can turn up at a community centre (and apparently take it over?
Who approves businesses being run from the centre?
Remember Kate who was elected so we could be rid of the Belchers?
See how that went:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10158231474594552&set=a.10152300440879552&type=3&theater
look at the other pics
https://youtu.be/CNQpYz1ztx8?t=2
Just single £10 donation to the £2000 fundraising effort!
Why is the Facebook photo of a Bay City Rollers groupie?
Let us hope the smoke does not damage his 'weave'. I wonder when he got that done? Must be when he claimed to be on one of his (many) cruises. The original hair at right below.
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Vanity is an all consuming trait in some people, they have a deep sense of insecurity in their physical appearance, the irony of that mindset is, in many cases cause for ridicule.....
I have looked back through his Facebook photos and this gem stood out dated Sept 21 2018. Either the first weave or he painted the top of his head to see what it would look like.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10157899555589552&set=a.495578624551&type=3&theater
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I wonder who paid for the 'Ramsey' barnet...
Fringe benefits :o
I think the surgeon has taken inspiration for this creative weave from the hair that grows on the lower back , just above the ar** crack.
Quote from: fred c on January 20, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on January 20, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: jawsbbc on January 20, 2019, 12: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 19, 2019, 11: PM
SAB's stated that they do not have insurance to cover this - only for buildings (which I would have expected to be under the owners, HBC's auspices) plus public liability.
funny thing no insurance ;) ;) when SLEPARA ( SEATON LANE ESTATE PARENTS AND RESIDENTS ASSOCIATION were enquiring about renting jutland road community centre (ofca,s hub) once it had closed down (this was the back end of october 2018) ( keys supposed to be handed over to hbc on the 1/12/18 but still have not been handed over) we were informed that there was no insurance so bingo that was being held in the centre and attended by 30/40 residents had no insurance cover >:( >:( >:( insurance was paid by a seaton councillor who was helping us to take over the running of the centre only for the centre to close 3 weeks later when we enquired about the closure we were told we would have to take ofca,s debt on of £4000 and ofca farms debt of £6000 before it could be up and running (words out of yousef khans mouth one of kevin cranneys mob to numerous residents) we have since found out that hbc were paying the rent gas and electric on jutland road community centre so here we have a community centre that is stood rotting in one of the most deprived areas of hartlepool with nowhere for our younger/older children to go no wonder we are suffering with ASB there is no were on this estate for them children to go
It occurs to me that if there's no Labour councillor(s) running the community centre(s) then there's NO chance of any external groups renting it, especially when a Seaton councillor (not Labour!) is involved! Seems like Cranney has spat his dummy out and is also trying to con SLEPARA into paying his debts! Lower than a snakes belly (no offence to snakes, btw!),
I can't quite understand what Mr Y Khan has to do with the Jutty Road Community Hub, being a pal of Cranney should not qualify him to speak about debts owed by the centre or the farm.....those responsible for those debts are the people the council or whoever is owed the debts should be seeking redress from...........
yousef khan is the chairman of ofca trustees FRED C
SLEPARA were not prepared to pay any debts when we said that we would get the police involved stephen gidney(likes been called stefan) passed us the phone and said go on then thats how confident they are http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?subid=0®id=519172 take a look at documents https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/grants_awarded_to_ofca_jutland_r
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/centre-saved-by-lottery-money-1-6211466
SLEPARA would like to now were has or what has all the money since 2013 looks like they have bought a motor vehicle for £20,000 at no time has there been a motor vehicle ?? the kids were ferried about by 23s minibuses or walked no money has been spent on the place for years it is falling to pieces paying £30,000 wages each year to who ?? the last year kids from the farm were looking after the 7 kids that used to use the youthy what i do know is that whoever was in charge cranneys mrs leslea jackson cranney himself yousef khan would put more kids down that actually went
2017/2018 the place was never open take a look https://www.facebook.com/JutandCommunityCentre/ ofca needs investigating the rifty needs investigating NOW or will it just be left like MRA
He could be planting saplings on his head? Is a grant available? I know you get a grant for letting it lay dormant.
Or, have they been fracking for hot air?
Trump has been caught out altering photos to make himself look younger & slimmer and with bigger fingers (figure that one out for yourself) sample below. Note the fat belly under the tie vanishes.
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It reminds me of the time the 'andsome couple' paid for a portrait that knocked around 10 inches from SAB's waistline. Same taste in red power-ties I see.
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Oh my, comparing the pic and the painting. In the painting, he has a squarer jaw then than any action film hero I've ever seen and a chin! Artistic licence taken to a new level.
A look at the photo shows his head is like a torpedo, parallel from top to bottom. A torpedo with a bit of coiffured wire wool on top that is.
I think the painting looks like Ant and Dec combined.
Will they be paining in his weave ?
The man they couldn't hang.......The noose would just slip over his head, unless his ears stopped it.
Quote from: fred c on January 25, 2019, 07: PM
The man they couldn't hang.......The noose would just slip over his head, unless his ears stopped it.
Even if the noose fitted ,I don't believe the gallows could support his weight .
Quote from: fred c on January 25, 2019, 07: PM
The man they couldn't hang.......The noose would just slip over his head, unless his ears stopped it.
A far crueller fate would be to take away his mirrors and selfie stick.
Perhaps the "andsome one?" Has read...(no, no, that's not right!)
HAS had Dorian Gray read to him?
and believes it????
Quote from: Veritas on January 28, 2019, 12: PM
Perhaps the "andsome one?" Has read...(no, no, that's not right!)
HAS had Dorian Gray read to him?
and believes it????
'read to him'? Surely pictograms and Dorian Gray had his name changed to Mr Gorgeous to make it easier to comprehends?
Chat on social media about an air fryer and a conveniently positioned box of reciepts . . .
Seriously though, have the councils HSE or Estate departments looked into the circumstances of 'the fire'.....from reports on My Cafe fb page there was obviously at the very least smoke damage, who could forget the photographs of SAB and his volunteers 'cleaning up'.
It's a public building and as such you would expect a fire alarm smoke detection system and an emergency evacuation procedure, were the fire alarm / smoke detectors activated.........
Like everything else with this community centre / youth club / cafe / nail bar it's virtually impossible to find out anything about how the place operates.
Only in Hartlepool
Quote from: fred c on February 11, 2019, 09: AM
Seriously though, have the councils HSE or Estate departments looked into the circumstances of 'the fire'.....from reports on My Cafe fb page there was obviously at the very least smoke damage, who could forget the photographs of SAB and his volunteers 'cleaning up'.
It's a public building and as such you would expect a fire alarm smoke detection system and an emergency evacuation procedure, were the fire alarm / smoke detectors activated.........
Like everything else with this community centre / youth club / cafe / nail bar it's virtually impossible to find out anything about how the place operates.
Only in Hartlepool
Did the building have a Fire Certificate as it was being used by the public ?
I've read comments on here regarding insurance cover and having no cover for the damage to the cafe but does anyone know if there was any public liability insurance in place to cover any injuries to customers or staff ,I assume this is required by law.
Quote from: Topcat on February 11, 2019, 12: PM
I've read comments on here regarding insurance cover and having no cover for the damage to the cafe but does anyone know if there was any public liability insurance in place to cover any injuries to customers or staff ,I assume this is required by law.
Word has it that public liability insurance WAS held.
If it's a Council owned building, would they not be expected to come out to check the damage to their property?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on February 11, 2019, 05: PM
If it's a Council owned building, would they not be expected to come out to check the damage to their property?
Believe that there's an investigation ongoing.