Voted AGAINST the deal.
Party before town?
The people of Hartlepool didn't have a clue what they were voting for and most still don't!!
It would be a surprise if he voted any other way.
The Party speaks, he obeys.
It avoids having to think.
That was exactly the right thing to do in my opinion. I am a staunch Brexiteer and no Labour supporter but looking at the "deal" and listing to the Attorney Generals remarks would you really want to tie us to a deal that we have no legal means of getting out of.
Hasn't he said he doesn't support a second Referendum which Corbyn would like ?
Quote from: Topcat on March 13, 2019, 09: AM
That was exactly the right thing to do in my opinion. I am a staunch Brexiteer and no Labour supporter but looking at the "deal" and listing to the Attorney Generals remarks would you really want to tie us to a deal that we have no legal means of getting out of.
Quite right, but...... I suspect his reason was far removed from yours. Yo believed in something v the Party line.
Quote from: Owen Jones on March 13, 2019, 07: AM
The people of Hartlepool didn't have a clue what they were voting for and most still don't!!
Does that include you?
Was that Mike Hill I have just seen on Labour's front bench during Politics Live?
If yes, then I guess he's safe for the next election.
The problem is those who believe they, and they alone, should get everything they want and everyone else will just have to lump it. If the 'Brexit at any price' zealots and the 'we must stay at any price' believers would compromise a solution could be found. It is the 'we must win and utterly crush all who do not agree ' mindset that is the stumbling block.
Agree. The massive vote against is the full rainbow from Funamentalist Brexiteers to Rabid Remainers who see only their own shining path to perfection and miss the bigger picture, unable to cede ground to arrive at a compromise.
The 'crisis' is within the walls of the Palace of Westminster, it's all about them.
Wonder how the Malthouse scheme will fare in these discussions?
Quote from: Owen Jones on March 13, 2019, 07: AM
The people of Hartlepool didn't have a clue what they were voting for and most still don't!!
A swathing generalisation on your behalf, I think you underestimate the intelligence of the voters of the town and over estimate your own.
Most people in Hartlepool think Brexit is a meal they have when they get up in the morning !!
Quote from: Owen Jones on March 13, 2019, 05: PM
Most people in Hartlepool think Brexit is a meal they have when they get up in the morning !!
Well, forum members - what are your thoughts on this? Mr Jones, may we suggest that you don your keyboard warrior armour ... ::)
Quote from: fred c on March 13, 2019, 05: PM
A swathing generalisation on your behalf, I think you underestimate the intelligence of the voters .........
Not really. I have watched many people from
both sides 'debate' the issue and most of them just have not got the slightest clue about the facts and are giving their dream version of how it will work. The best one I saw recently (a random example as there have been Remainer fools) was a rabid 'Leaver' who was speaking at length about the advantages of WTO rules v The EEC. When a WTO expert was allowed to speak turns out the 'Leaver' was wrong on every single advantage. He blithely dismissed his ignorance with a airy hand wave and the excuse 'I'm no expert'. This was a key figure in the Leave Camp!
Even Esther McVey was caught recently re-posting a long debunked anti-EU article about The Euro.
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/esther-mcvey-brexit-twitter-fake-claim-eu-members-euro-2020/
Not everyone will know, but if we applied that rule we'd have to apply it to General Elections and local elections as well, which when you look at who we elected to Westminster and local council could prove the point.
But, it's democracy.
Quote from: Owen Jones on March 13, 2019, 05: PM
Most people in Hartlepool think Brexit is a meal they have when they get up in the morning !!
If ever you went to University, I assume it would be to be studied by the students.
As someone I can't recall, once said.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on March 13, 2019, 07: PM
Quote from: Owen Jones on March 13, 2019, 05: PM
Most people in Hartlepool think Brexit is a meal they have when they get up in the morning !!
If ever you went to University, I assume it would be to be studied by the students.
As someone I can't recall, once said.
Why did film Young Frankenstein come to mind? ::)
Quote from: Owen Jones on March 13, 2019, 05: PM
Most people in Hartlepool think Brexit is a meal they have when they get up in the morning !!
Kettle, frying pan moment OJ. Still, if the cap fits. If we all agreed with and followed your trait, would that not make us all sheep!!! For what it is worth there are those who will be forsaking that meal in order to meet the burdon of the new CT bill.
I'm not asking anyone to follow me, that's just my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Unless you can't think for yourself bad baa
I suspect people would only follow you out of curiosity.
Curiosity killed the tw#t
Are you waiting for some kind of reaction?
Quote from: Owen Jones on March 14, 2019, 10: PM
Curiosity killed the tw#t
I didn't know you were dead and thus unaware of the cause. Thank for the clarification.
Is this part of your living will?
Why ?
Quote from: Owen Jones on March 14, 2019, 10: PM
Curiosity killed the tw#t
Congratulations, you used a really big word with five syllables in as opposed to your usual monosyllabic offerings.
Oh my have I touched a nerve, mind you that's all I would touch
Quote from: Owen Jones on March 15, 2019, 12: PM
Oh my have I touched a nerve, mind you that's all I would touch
For that we can remain eternally grateful.
Owen is Harry, isn't he :-\
Quote from: Owen Jones on March 15, 2019, 12: PM
Oh my have I touched a nerve, mind you that's all I would touch
Er, no. You don't really have the ability.Somebody had to tell you.
When someone's on pre-mod there's always a reason.
If it is the Crackpot Compositor he will eventually let it slip....... It's impossible for him not to use the Cnut word............However, I think it's more likely to be a poisonous little pixie who still lives at home and goes through half a dozen packets of cheesy wotsits a week.
Quote from: fred c on March 15, 2019, 03: PM
If it is the Crackpot Compositor he will eventually let it slip....... It's impossible for him not to use the Cnut word............However, I think it's more likely to be a poisonous little pixie who still lives at home and goes through half a dozen packets of cheesy wotsits a week.
f**ty *****?
Admin. Note: No names, please - post modified.
Apologies. Was unaware of that rule.
This woman's comment sums up the problem with current Brexit 'debate' :
https://youtu.be/MtZJe1r3zr0?t=3398
Note that while she was talking about people not listening to the other side one of the Brexit loonies tried to interrupt her.
Its a cult now. Common sense has gone out the window and its a simple dick-measuring competition.
As someone who has lived through dozens of elections I look forward to this new Nirvana where true democracy rules, the elite are curbed and the rights of the common people respected and promoted. I have heard it promised at every election and it never ever came about. I hope those who dream fondly of blue passports, the Empire and straight bananas don't expire in their rapture when (if?) liberation day arrives.
Reminds me of the slanging match at Hartlepool where we showed the country we was real men by audience members 'offering each other out' live on national television. This Youtube clip has had the threats removed..
https://youtu.be/qpCUGEkctK0?t=1896
Argh......Jim lad.....
https://youtu.be/qpCUGEkctK0?t=2731
Anyone know the woman?
https://youtu.be/qpCUGEkctK0?t=432
Or this ginger?
https://youtu.be/qpCUGEkctK0?t=702
Who says the French have no sense of humour
It has emerged that France's Europe Minister, Nathalie Loiseau has brought her work home with her and named her moggie "Brexit"............................
"He wakes me up every morning miaowing to death because he wants to go out, and then when I open the door he stays in the middle, undecided, and then gives me evil looks when I put him out,"
https://inews.co.uk/news/france-europe-minister-nathalie-loiseau-calls-cat-brexit-indecisive/
Quote from: mk1 on March 20, 2019, 05: PM
Who says the French have no sense of humour
It has emerged that France's Europe Minister, Nathalie Loiseau has brought her work home with her and named her moggie "Brexit"............................
"He wakes me up every morning miaowing to death because he wants to go out, and then when I open the door he stays in the middle, undecided, and then gives me evil looks when I put him out,"
Maybe the French don't understand the feline white flag, strange seeing as they are so keen on it themselves
Quote from: Grumblstiltskin on March 21, 2019, 02: AM
Maybe the French don't understand the feline white flag, strange seeing as they are so keen on it themselves
They didn't wave a white flag in the Crimean War. Whilst the British assault on Sevastapol was a failure the French took their objectives and won the war. The French Cavalry also saved the light Brigade from being completely wiped out by their supporting attacks. Strangely I never got told much about this when we did the Crimean War at school.
Oh and it was the French who defeated Cornwallis at Yorktown and gained America her Independence. Cornwallis was pretty keen on a big white flag that day!
Quote from: mk1 on March 21, 2019, 02: AM
Quote from: Grumblstiltskin on March 21, 2019, 02: AM
Maybe the French don't understand the feline white flag, strange seeing as they are so keen on it themselves
They didn't wave a white flag in the Crimean War. Whilst the British assault on Sevastapol was a failure the French took their objectives and won the war. The French Cavalry also saved the light Brigade from being completely wiped out by their supporting attacks. Strangely I never got told much about this when we did the Crimean War at school.
Oh and it was the French who defeated Cornwallis at Yorktown and gained America her Independence. Cornwallis was pretty keen on a big white flag that day
So all fairly recently then?
The one precious consolation of defeat, is that you learn from them. Show me an army who's never been defeated.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on March 21, 2019, 02: PM
Show me an army who's never been defeated.
Those who believe the British Army is 'the best' had better not google the opinion of US Generals about its performance in Helmand.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1335256/WIKILEAKS-British-forces-mess-things-Afghanistan.html
If you're looking for an opinion on military c**k ups, the Yanks are the lads to ask. They wrote the book on it.
Quote from: mk1 on March 13, 2019, 01: PM
The problem is those who believe they, and they alone, should get everything they want and everyone else will just have to lump it. .................
A cartoon in Private Eye perfectly illustrates this blinkered mindset
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/OZ1Zr4.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plOZ1Zr4j)
The trouble in Parliament is they're nearly all saying no for different reasons.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on March 24, 2019, 04: PM
The trouble in Parliament is they're nearly all saying no for different reasons.
The solution is for
all to compromise. That means those who want a
'Hard Brexit' or '
Continue as if nothing has happened' will have to be marginalised whilst the rest of us trade the bits we do not agree with for a version we can live with.
The hard part is bringing them together, it's like herding cats. The trouble is crossing Party lines and expecting the MP's to act like normal people and look at what is the best compromise. Too much chest beating, not enough reasoned thought.
Our dear MP strikes me as the loyal Party apparatchik who decides when he's told to 'decide'. He's not there to think, just diligently follow the Party line.
I am only an occasional visitor here
Can someone remind me what the people of Hartlepool specifically have against the EU? Or why it is seen as partially responsible (rather than central government) for our towns current lot.
Quote from: eddy on March 25, 2019, 02: PM
I am only an occasional visitor here
Can someone remind me what the people of Hartlepool specifically have against the EU? Or why it is seen as partially responsible (rather than central government) for our towns current lot.
Read the Post's Facebook page. You will be shocked by some of the comments.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, is our MP our worst ever?
I see the knives are out for Tom Watson on the Post Facebook page. I would be the last person to suggest this has nothing at all to do with (as it is claimed) exposing 'corruption' and more about the fact Tom Watson has had the temerity to stand up to Corbyn and has become the icon of the moderate Labour faction. The Comrades are livid and will do anything to get rid of this 'class traitor'.
Note the link is to 'The Canary' which is The Corbyn propaganda Newsheet and has been censured many times for running factually incorrect 'news' on its pages.
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/left-wing-website-the-canary-most-complained-about-impress-regulated-publication-of-2017-18/
The old adage 'Beware Greeks bearing gifts' springs to mind.
The Labour Party is changing. It's recalibrating itself into Corbyn's view of events. I suspect reasonable members will have to adapt or leave the ship.
As predicted, Labour MPs are being three line whipped into supporting a confirmatory referendum. Which is very likely to have 'remain' on the ballot in real terms.
Now comes the acid test i've spoken of before for Mike Hill and the party versus wishes of his constituents.
Quote from: DRiddle on March 27, 2019, 03: PM
Now comes the acid test i've spoken of before for Mike Hill and the party versus wishes of his constituents.
So is an MP a representitive or a delegate?
If a delegate when did any of our Labour MPs ever give a seconds consideration to people of Hartlepool who
did not vote Labour?
The Facebook page is starting to look like David Icke's Forum.
Errrrrrrmmmmm It's a shot in the dark but......he will miraculously grow a pair and vote against the whip.
Quote from: fred c on March 27, 2019, 03: PM
Errrrrrrmmmmm It's a shot in the dark but......he will miraculously grow a pair and vote against the whip.
No.
Ever the faithful Party servant he'll wait till he's told what to vote.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on March 27, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: fred c on March 27, 2019, 03: PM
Errrrrrrmmmmm It's a shot in the dark but......he will miraculously grow a pair and vote against the whip.
No.
Ever the faithful Party servant he'll wait till he's told what to vote.
Labour's whipped three of the amendments, anyway.
Our MPs choices regarding the indicative votes can be found via the BBC website. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47726787
Quote from: eddy on March 25, 2019, 02: PM
I am only an occasional visitor here
Can someone remind me what the people of Hartlepool specifically have against the EU? Or why it is seen as partially responsible (rather than central government) for our towns current lot.
I get the impression people of hartlepool you refer too would never be happy with the EU is most likely linked back to links with the WW1 bombardment a long time ago. There was still approx 1/3 of hartlepool who are happy to have EU friends and a United Kingdom still.
Quote from: pieface on March 28, 2019, 10: PM
I get the impression people of hartlepool you refer too would never be happy with the EU is most likely................
More likely because of the grip the far right have on the area. Sunderland is a particular hot-spot where convicted thugs vie for respectability and men with a long history of violence think they have found a political cause that they hope will redeem them.
This from a few days back, our part of the 'north' is the hotbed:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-47645863
Last year, the highest number of right-wing referrals to counter-terrorism programme Prevent came from the north.
also:
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/chaos-in-sunderland-as-fascist-thugs-breakthrough-police-to-attack-anti-fascist-counter-protesters
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/two-north-east-thugs-sentenced-13959067
Quote from: pieface on March 28, 2019, 10: PM
Quote from: eddy on March 25, 2019, 02: PM
I am only an occasional visitor here
Can someone remind me what the people of Hartlepool specifically have against the EU? Or why it is seen as partially responsible (rather than central government) for our towns current lot.
I get the impression people of hartlepool you refer too would never be happy with the EU is most likely linked back to links with the WW1 bombardment a long time ago. There was still approx 1/3 of hartlepool who are happy to have EU friends and a United Kingdom still.
Highly unlikely. More a case of a town or region in the vice like grip of useless local politicians and indifferent national politicians of all Party's for over 60 years. People see their established industry disappear and want to blame someone.
The answer is in their own hands if they lost their blind loyalty to voting in the same Party decade after decade.
Could I emphasise that I do not blame the EU for the decline in our traditional industries, most other European countries build ships, lorries etc. Out trouble has been our politicians deciding we as a country we're above that sort of thing and we'd become a nation of screen watchers and coffee shops, the service industries where you're either grossly overpaid or grossly underpaid. Blair put the cream on the cake when he decided everyone should have a degree and could look forward to a brave new world of tapping screens in their new air conditionerd glass and chrome satanic mills.
A world of working from home and swipe cards and those who get their hands dirty actually producing something are quietly despised.
mike hill !!! the towns cardboard cut out .... what a over PAYED GOON
No doubt a well meaning sort of chap. But (despite multiple photo opportunities) what has he actually achieved?
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on March 31, 2019, 09: PM
No doubt a well meaning sort of chap. But (despite multiple photo opportunities) what has he actually achieved?
I actually believe he's achieved what he was meant to achieve.
I suspect he's the accidental MP keeping the seat warm, who was meant to say little of consequence, just smile and only pass comment on things that no one could possibly really argue with. Just stand there, smile, don't rock the boat and stick strictly to the script.
He's just hanging around till head office can parachute in some more appropriate candidate with an empathy and love for the town .... from the Home Counties.
I get the impression people of hartlepool you refer too would never be happy with the EU is most likely linked back to links with the WW1 bombardment a long time ago. There was still approx 1/3 of hartlepool who are happy to have EU friends and a United Kingdom still.
I am pretty sure that the other 2/3 of Hartlepool people would also still be happy to have E.U. friends and a United Kingdom but we just don't want to live under their orders,or become a part of the United States of Europe that they are working to achieve.
Quote from: Topcat on April 01, 2019, 08: AM
we just don't want to live under their orders,or become a part of the United States of Europe that they are working to achieve.
Don't we have Euro MPs ? I believe someone called N. Farage has a seat there.
Don't 'our' judges sit and deliver verdicts in 'EU' courts?
Don't out politicians have a say in any EU decisions? Think back to Thatchers 'Rebate'.
I think what you mean is Johny Foreigner has not yet realised that the UK should be making
allthe decisions and their job is just to agree with us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNmPyXtaa1c
mki, now the clocks have gone back, there must be more satisfying things to do up in Greatham than to sit in all day thinking up your latest ill-informed diatribes against us 17.4 million people who voted leave. You never seem to tire of slipping in posts replete with the use of childish imagery like :- Johnny Foreigner' or 'Brexit loonies' etc etc ad nauseum.
And you don't seem to care one jot that your hero Hill has stuck his grubby fingers in his ears chanting :-
"Nah nah nah.....I can't hear you plebs!!... I don't give a toss that over 60% of my constituents voted to leave. I'm going to blindly follow my Marxist, terrorist loving, UK hating muppet of a leader and vote to stay in the customs union, maintain total free movement and propose a deal to the EU that they will double up with laughter and ridicule before tossing on the garbage dump of Brexit history"
Like jezza, maybe you should spend more time down on the allotment, and while you're there, invite nonentity Hill and his replacement for the safe seat Hill will soon be ousted from...Doc Pothole. Between the 3 of you I reckon your marrow crop would be phenomenal. And soon you can export them to eu (with reasonable tariffs in place of course!)
Quote from: Hubris on April 01, 2019, 09: PM
mki, now the clocks have gone back, there must be more satisfying things to do up in Greatham than to sit in all day thinking up your latest ill-informed diatribes...................
I just do not like cocksure people full of themselves. If you and the other fruitcakes had just allowed for the fact you might need to
compromise in order to get
most of what you wanted you could be home and dry by now. Instead you decided to demand the most extreme and ideologically pure form of Brexit and shot yourselves in the foot.
Remember the heady days when this was the norm?
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/9PJqIT.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pl9PJqITj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/3NmNXI.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pl3NmNXIj)
What is it with former Mail employees that makes them turn into uncritical advocates of every crazy conspiracy theory doing the rounds?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on March 29, 2019, 10: AM
Could I emphasise that I do not blame the EU for the decline in our traditional industries, most other European countries build ships, lorries etc
Some facts. Note that for the majority of the time the 'Cheese eating surrender monkeys' spend more of Defence that the UK. Not what we are normally told is it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS04VJz21rg