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We only have to see on the news with Northamptonshire Council, who's finances are so bad they are now facing financial ruin, If I read Northamptonshires Accounts correctly they had usable reserves of just £52,000 on this years accounts.
In comparison Hartlepool has around £52,000,000 approx 10 times that, but take into account the money lost on vanity projects, the Jacksons landing,the cafe etc,etc & Hartlepool could have had a lot more in reserves, the fact that the councilors that voted their payrise backdated totaling 32%, shows that despite the claim of savage budget cuts, those cuts don't apply to you if you are a member of Hartlepool Borough Council with a certain red rosette on.
Whilst a 2% increase is looking like it will be accepted by the Labour Group (not that I know this for sure, but hey its free money.... are they going to refuse it ?) Hartlepool residents still have to visit the foodbank, Hartlepool Residents still have a Bedroom Tax to pay, Hartlepool Resident have to pay 13% Council Tax, as well as paying one of the Highest Council Tax rates in the country.
This wont bother a certain few within the Labour Mob as the cars will still be on the drive, the Gym memberships at Exercise for Less will still be ok and their house will still be paid for.
Like Ive said for far too long, Labour in Hartlepool is simply for the select few.......never for the many !
If Labour DO vote for ANOTHER rise, the Hartlepool public should hound them out of office and the Civic immediately! Maximum publicity on social media and maybe the public will actually vote them out at the next election! Maybe they know that the end is nigh, so they are filling their pockets with as much as they can and as soon as they can, Stuff the electorate...let them eat cake....from foodbanks possibly!
The 2% rise means they will receive an extra £3:25 a week I don't know what all the fuss is about.
Quote from: Owen Jones on August 11, 2018, 10: AM
The 2% rise means they will receive an extra £3:25 a week I don't know what all the fuss is about.
Principles ... principles ...
No one in their right mind would turn down a pay rise would you ? I think not
2% compounded on top of the 31% not just 2%
Quote from: Owen Jones on August 11, 2018, 10: AM
The 2% rise means they will receive an extra £3:25 a week I don't know what all the fuss is about.
Great news. You can pay my share then.
Like I said previously no one in their right mind would turn down a pay rise. As a unionist, I have stood on the picket line for people up and down the pay scale. To oppose an increase is stupid and feeds in to the rhetoric of rogue employers paying their workforce poor wages and working conditions. And just to point out, I am certainly not a fan of certain councillors across political groups in h.pool.
It's a question of 'Value for Money'...If the LabMob council had given residents genuine value for money over the last 7 or 8 years you may have a point, however the majority of residents are disaffected at the performance and value the ruling group have given in those years.
Basic services and amenities have been cut, council tax has continued to be in the higher percentile nationally, millions have been wasted on visionary schemes that have still to come to fruition and to top it off.........The ruling LabTor coalition councillors have given themselves very tidy increase.
Quote from: Owen Jones on August 11, 2018, 01: PM
Like I said previously no one in their right mind would turn down a pay rise.
It's not a pay rise, it's an allowance
As a unionist, I have stood on the picket line for people up and down the pay scale. To oppose an increase is stupid and feeds in to the rhetoric of rogue employers paying their workforce poor wages and working conditions.
They're not the 'workforce' and their 'working conditions' are very agreeable
And just to point out, I am certainly not a fan of certain councillors across political groups in h.pool.
If you were, would you accept a 31% rise ? while the real workers they in effect employ, got nowhere near that
Quote from: fred c on August 11, 2018, 02: PM
It's a question of 'Value for Money'...
CAB has been gifted a very highly paid 'non-job' by his fellow councillors. It is a job where he never has to turn up and where no one will ever sanction him for not turning up. In effect he is getting an obscene sum for doing the square root of F-All.
Not only does he siphon cash and give nothing in return he boasts he works in 'The Voluntary Sector'. It must have impressed because our Kate fell completely under his spell and become one of his fawning fart-catchers!
In time the new mob baying for his blood will set themselves up in the same types of non-job. Expect to see Anth running a similar sort of 'Healthy Eating' outfit in 2 or 3 years without even blushing.
They are all on the fiddle. Private Eye are running a story on Fire Chiefs who can wangle a brand spanking new top of the range motor by simply installing blue lights behind the grille and re-classifying their personal use car as an 'Emergency Response Vehicle'. No surprise that Cleveland figure large in the scam:
Under freedom of information rules the Eye asked other brigades whether they provided cars for the CFO, the assistant chief fire officer (ACFO) and the deputy chief fire officer (DCFO), and, if so, the make and model; whether those vehicles were leased or owned; their replacement frequency and if they were classed as emergency vehicles for tax purposes.
Mid and West Wales has the flashest cars of all the brigades that answered. CFO Chris Davies is driving around in a Range Rover SDV6, with a list price starting at £67,500 -even fancier than his Cheshire colleagues. Its emergency vehicle status means that £9,990 of tax does not reach HMRC coffers. It also has the highest CO emissions at 202g/km. Another four officers in the brigade are also provided with cars, bringing the total value of the senior officer car fleet to more than £250,000.
Cleveland, one ofthe UK's smallest brigades, with only 14 fire stations, also has one of the most expensive vehicles. CFO Ian Hayton is running around in a BMW X5 xDrive, with a list price of more than £55,000, but classed as an emergency vehicle.
Demonstrating that there's no need for such fancy cars, Northumberland provides a Nissan Qashquai for its CFO and a Kia Sportage for the ACFO, both classified as emergency vehicles.
Darlington and Durham provides officers with Skoda Superbs, and West Sussex provides Hyundai Santa Fes.
Car provision is by no means universal. Greater Manchester and Humberside were among the brigades that don't provide cars, instead allowing senior staff access to pool cars when required. Cumbria and Devon don't allow private use of their vehicles and London chiefs use their own vehicles and claim expenses for any "operational'' use.
Surely any standard saloon would suffice for that role and remain at the fire station as a general purpose vehicle. The Chief Officers can afford their own cars to travel to the fire station and pick up a general purpose vehicle.
Just regarding the rise, here's what happens next. Certain Labour councillors will reject the 2% rise. Some of those will be councillors who DID however accept the 31% rise.
They'll then put "I refused to accept an rise in my allowance blah blah blah" on future election leaflets. This will confuse the electorate as to who actually accepted a rise and muddy the waters about who took the 31%.
It was crystal clear the 31% issue was a big factor in Alan Clark losing his seat. There are others the independents will look to pick off who also voted for the 31%.
Watch and see what happens. The front page headline was deliberate, as is how this will play out.
There are of course SOME greedy ones who will take the 2% regardless. But keep your eye on SOME of the ones who don't.
If I was in Jim Lindridge's shoes for example, I'd make a big song and dance about refusing the 2% rise. Then WHEN the Indy's target him with 'greedy jim' literature, he can try and counter it.
All smoke and mirrors as always (with the odd greedy bastard thrown in).
Quote from: DRiddle on August 12, 2018, 09: AM
Just regarding the rise, here's what happens next. Certain Labour councillors will reject the 2% rise. Some of those will be councillors who DID however accept the 31% rise.
They'll then put "I refused to accept an rise in my allowance blah blah blah" on future election leaflets. This will confuse the electorate as to who actually accepted a rise and muddy the waters about who took the 31%.
It was crystal clear the 31% issue was a big factor in Alan Clark losing his seat. There are others the independents will look to pick off who also voted for the 31%.
Watch and see what happens. The front page headline was deliberate, as is how this will play out.
There are of course SOME greedy ones who will take the 2% regardless. But keep your eye on SOME of the ones who don't.
If I was in Jim Lindridge's shoes for example, I'd make a big song and dance about refusing the 2% rise. Then WHEN the Indy's target him with 'greedy jim' literature, he can try and counter it.
All smoke and mirrors as always (with the odd greedy bastard thrown in).
Are we looking at the 2% being voted in by a whipped vote with some councillors declining the rise - or has CAB lost his whip and witness the start of a minor revolution?
I think this rose is linked to inflation rather than a review so chances are it won't be voted on? Not 100% sure. It's easily declined though if you have morality. It takes one e-mail.
Smoke and mirrors won't work for Loadsa Money Lindridge, there isn't a voter in Fens & Rossmere who doesn't know he took the 31% increase and then came out with "I don't need it, but I am accepting it' ........and if there is, they will. :D
if the council was run like a business and they never made such a mess of everything and made so many embarrassing decisions !!! I have no problems with pay related success.. But when its run by Ronald MacDonald and his crew wasting money right left and centre they should be getting a wage reduction not a rise >:( >:(
You mention pay related success but who decides what success is ????
Quote from: Owen Jones on August 12, 2018, 11: AM
You mention pay related success but who decides what success is ????
A manifesto based on the needs of the town - if my memory serves me correctly the only party to produce a local manifesto was PHF
Labour & Conservatives both linked to the National sites
Quote from: Owen Jones on August 12, 2018, 11: AM
You mention pay related success but who decides what success is ????
in the pink , fluffy, scamming world of the scabs they are a resounding success or so they and their hangers-on seem to think
nothing but a bunch of parasites the lot of them
the sooner we are shot of the whole rotten outfit the better (rant over) :)
Saw SAB at the top of Oxford road with a swarm of young kids picking litter. His main problem seemed to be keeping his trousers up. Every couple of seconds he was hitching them up. Should wear braces when you don't have a waist!
Quote from: mk1 on August 12, 2018, 03: PM
Saw SAB at the top of Oxford road with a swarm of young kids picking litter. His main problem seemed to be keeping his trousers up. Every couple of seconds he was hitching them up. Should wear braces when you don't have a waist!
I've just bought a new staple gun, he can borrow it any time.
From Putting Hartlepool First's leader, Councillor James Black: "I can confirm that none of the Councillors under PHF have taken the original 31% or the additional 2% therefore PHF Councillors receive 33% less than the others."
Like my dad often said " son you get paid for the work you do and nothing else "