EU referendum

[mk1]

But when we consider that the strict definition of "signed off" means "free of materially significant errors in spending", we find that the ECA has repeatedly failed to "sign off" on the EU's accounts in that manner.  The ECA has found that 4.4% of EU spending in 2014 - or 6.27 billion euros - did not follow EU rules, which is above the 2% threshold at which such errors are deemed materially significant.

When the ECA and other EU bodies mention the EU's accounts as "signed off" they are using a deliberately deceptive definition of that phrase"

So you now admit your initial claim is a lie and you are now trying to re-define 'signed off' in a manner better suited to your obsession.
Thank you for confirming the claim ' for 20 consecutive years has been refused having it's accounts signed off by the ICA (International Court of Auditors) due to systemic and endemic fraud
is total fiction.

This whole matter of the EU's financial probity was first brought to light by 'whistleblower' Marta Andreason who was then the EU's Chief Accountant who made the world aware of the fraud being carried out with taxpayers' money.  Marta, after a long drawn out process was sacked by Commissioner (at the time) Neil Kinnock.  Mrs Andreason's one time enthusiasm for the EU was demolished once she was made aware of "the nature of the beast".  For a while Marta was a UKIP MEP as many will recall.

It is Marta Andreasen not Marta Andreason.  Do you agree with her other claims:

Even if they(UKiP)  say they have changed the constitution to have less BNP [members], they actually are taking the ground of the BNP and they have many members who are coming from the BNP and the National Front."........................

If you saw the campaign in Eastleigh it was all about immigration and they lie, they produce data which is ridiculous, they say the whole population of Bulgaria and Romania is going to come to the UK."...................''Mr Farage surrounded himself with "an old boys club of like-minded sycophants"


Do you agree with Farage about  Marta Andreasen?

"The woman is impossible."....................didn't know what she was talking about".


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ex-mep-marta-andreasen-claims-ukip-peddles-lies-as-high-profile-tory-mp-priti-patels-father-8598205.html

You may or may not wish to retract some of your earlier comments?  Or do you want to continue dancing on the head of a pin as to what constitutes FRAUD?

It is you who is doing the dancing. Your initial claim was false and you knew it was false.

[mk1]

Note the dodgy arithmetic:

Sept 2012 = 14 years

Nov 2013 = 19 years (an increase of 5 years over 1 year!

Oct 2014 = 19 years

April 2016 = 20 years

[akarjl]

Eloquently put

Back in the day some voted for the common market....not a federal Europe capable of overruling the House of Lords. The party is over time to leave we are an island race not a suburb of Syria

[grim reaper]

In or out. Who is right?
When I see the ex Labour ministers and politicians stating it is best for us if we 'remain', I think of their judgement when they were in power.
I've lost track of the ex Labour ministers that have admitted they got this and that wrong whilst in power and that they made mistakes.

My fear regarding the EU is not the 'Black people/White people' rhetoric adopted by some on here.
It is with regard to obscene mountains of money wasted by the unelected, faceless bureaucrats in Brussels.
The constant move from Brussels to Strasbourg at a cost of millions is just a tiny indication of the vanity of these people.

Another aspect is their desire to be a federal state of Europe, complete with its own police force, army, navy and airforce.
The armed forces objective has already been stated as a given.
The police force is already in operation - Europol.

Despite already having 'Interpol', based in Lyon, France, which "enables police in 190 member countries to fight cyber-crime, organised crime and counter-terrorism", we now have Europol, which is the EU law enforcement agency - based in the Netherlands- to "Fight serious international crime & terrorism".

However, Europol officers do not have the power of arrest. They simply gather information and pass it on to Interpol!
In 2015, Europol cost 94 million Euros to run. Value for money?
Doing what Interpol officers are already doing?
Are they akin to our Police Community Support Officers?

As has been shown in the Ukraine, the EU is expansionist.
I have a fear that the requirement of a EU army, navy and airforce will lead to further conflict with Russia and, as Cameron predicted (only as a 'fear' to keep us within the EU), world war 3.
Time will tell.

[mk1]

My fear regarding the EU is not the 'Black people/White people' rhetoric adopted by some on here.

Another aspect is their desire to be a federal state of Europe, complete with its own police force, army, navy and airforce.
The armed forces objective has already been stated as a given.
The police force is already in operation - Europol.

Complete fiction.

The usual made-up stories to hide the fact the real aim is to stop brown people entering the UK.

I have a fear that the requirement of a EU army, navy and airforce

Still a lie no matter how many times you repeat it.

will lead to further conflict with Russia and, as Cameron predicted (only as a 'fear' to keep us within the EU), world war 3.

Crazy talk.
If 'Europe' (code for 'End-Days' nutty US hawks) wants to avoid conflict with Russia a start would be to stop holding 'joint' exercises  near the Russian borders. Think Russian Troops on 'exercise' in Mexico.
One of the main 'Outy' reasons is that free of the  European common sense fear of a war The UK can assume a bigger World Role (translation: Invade more countries hanging on to US coat-tails) and throw our weight around more freely. Pathetic 'dick-waving Nationalism and harping back to the  glory days of gun-boat diplomacy so dear to the hearts of the little englanders.

[grim reaper]

MK1, What a nasty, racist piece of *hit you are. The all-knowing, all intelligent arbiter of knowledge. NOT! 
As far as I can see, it is ONLY you banging on about keeping 'brown' people out of the country.
Most people on here are trying to have a debate on the pros and cons of the EU. Something that was sold as a common market but has evolved into a cosy club for failed politicians (Kinnock et al) and other chancers.

If you removed your head from your *rse long enough you may have read that on March 8th EU President, Jean-Claude Juncker stated "the EU needed its own military in order to deal with the Russian threat, as well as to restore the Blocs standing around the world"!! (Welt am Sonntag).
The Chief EU spokesman, Margaritas Schinas,  responded to the comments by stating "Any EU army was still a long way off".
Angela Merkels CDU party has set out a detailed 10 point plan for closer military cooperation in Europe. It states it is 'urgent' to integrate EU armed forces.

A German defence white paper calling for the acceleration of the formation of a joint union army, which was to be held back until after the UK referendum, has been leaked to the Financial Times.

Who is to say these reports are right or wrong? It is way beyond my salary band but one thing I do know, I can debate with most on lots of subjects, welcoming others considered opinion without resorting to snide, smart *rse retorts.
I would hate to have a neighbour from hell like you!

[mk1]

What a nasty, racist piece of *hit you are.

Is that a ghit......
an eghit......
or a whit ?(correct spelling 'wit'!)

[mk1]

Claim:

I can debate with most on lots of subjects, welcoming others considered opinion without resorting to snide, smart *rse retorts.

Proof claim is  bollocks:

MK1, What a nasty, racist piece of *hit you are................The all-knowing, all intelligent arbiter of knowledge..............If you removed your head from your *rse 

[mk1]

Angela Merkels CDU party has set out a detailed 10 point plan for closer military cooperation in Europe. It states it is 'urgent' to integrate EU armed forces.

Britian has integrated its forces many times. Does so today in NATO.

In WW1 Britain integrated its navy with that of France by giving a cast iron guarantee it would stop and attacks on the French channel area. France took care of the Med. In WW2  The UK integrated with forces from Poland,Holland, Belgium Norway and France and had independent  Units from those nations inside its Army Navy and Air Force.
Also during WW2 The UK and USA were closely integrated.
In no case did this result in an integrated Army. The people making these claims are simply ignorant at best and (in your case) wilfully peddling what they know to be a lie.
I urge you to look up the number of different nationalities that served under Monty and 8th Army in Italy in 1943-44. I suspect you will be shocked.
Did you know there were Brazilian troops in Europe in WW2?

[testing times]

I look back to the early 70s, pre-EU and I recall a country ridden with strikes, a 3-day week and inflation running at 27%. Things were so much better then 

[Heknocks68]

Similar to teachers and "junior" kwaks in the modern day, nes pas, who should be studying learning and treating those who they purport to have the best interests at heart, (heart) how apt. Lets just hope nobody falls ill during the period of neglect.

[mk1]

. Lets just hope nobody falls ill during the period of neglect.

A bit like like a Specialist  who leaves a queue of NHS patients  needing surgery behind as he uses 2-3 days  of his working week to  treat only those who can pay his fees.

[Heknocks68]

As said, lets hope no one falls ill during period of neglect. Two wrongs dont make a right. Except in a certain MPs world, that is.