General Election

[WiseOwl]

looks like lucy and fred continue their bloc vote beenz: so what's new?

[admin]

Wiseowl - Are you wise enough to understand what the term 'flooding' means in the context of a discussion forum like this?

[mk1]

MK1 you were miles out: try again,

Not so. You are  egregiously ill informed on most matters of history and the very antithesis of your screen name.

Typical UKIP ignorance...........

It's what I mean about people on here ranting before engaging their brains

.......and  irony-impaired!

[Hartlepudlion]

Mk1. Sorry to disagree with you but it was NATO and the UN that was created after the war to preserve peace. Unfortunately only NATO so far has been successful.

Churchill agreed with the Common Market as a trading organisation. It was hoped that as trade and prosperity grew it would limit the possibilities for despots to flourish but it was not a major aim. It was over a decade after Churchill died that we joined the Common Market.

The EU was founded in 1993 with one of its aims being peace in Europe. It failed in the Balkans and might yet fail in the Baltic.

[WiseOwl]

two issues are dominating now with a closish third

Thanks again everyone for taking time out to vote

[Hartlepudlion]

On my table in this thread it shows immigration and health both in front on seven votes. Next is the state of the economy on five.

Your puzzlement puzzles me beans.

Or is there a 'secret' vote somewhere?

[WiseOwl]

Are you stupid?

[WiseOwl]

Nope

[Balotelli]

Interesting to see 'Nige' in town today.

Wonder if he's planning to attend tonights hustings to support Phillip?

[SRMoore]

support our fishermen and fishing industry

Utter tosh!

Farage's voting record on fishing 'makes mockery' of new election poster

UKIP's new election poster unveiled in Grimsby today highlights the plight of fishing businesses that have been 'gutted due to the EU'.  Greenpeace has responded that UKIP's voting record in the European Parliament and Nigel Farage's appalling attendance on the Fisheries Committee makes a mockery of UKIP's claim to be standing up for fishermen.

Over the three years that Nigel Farage was a member of the European Parliament Fisheries Committee, he attended one out of 42 meetings. Greenpeace research released today shows that during the three major votes to fix the flaws of the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP), Nigel Farage was in the building but failed to vote in favour of improving the legislation.

  In 2013, Nigel Farage was again present but chose not to vote on the part of the reform of the CFP that introduces an obligation on governments to give more fishing quota to sustainable fishermen who contribute the most to the local, coastal economies. This would see the government giving more fishing quota to local, low impact fishing fleets, such as the fishermen featured in UKIP's poster.

Greenpeace is currently undertaking a two month, pre-election tour of English and Welsh coastal marginal constituencies asking MPs and parliamentary candidates to pledge to become coastal champions if they win the next election. At the event in Ramsgate in the constituency of Thanet South, all the parliamentary candidates except Nigel Farage attended and pledged that if they won the next election they would work their hardest to get more fishing quota for the many angry fishermen who were at the event.

  Ariana Densham, Greenpeace Oceans campaigner said:

"Local fishermen around the coast are struggling to survive and are furious after neglect by successive governments. But they will not be fooled by UKIP's claim that they are standing up for them because most, if not every time there has been a major vote in Europe that would have given them a better deal, they don't vote for it. The new EU law on fishing has been reformed and if implemented by national governments, it will fix many of the serious problems faced by fishermen. UKIP did not lift a finger to support this huge win for local fishermen. Like it or not, the EU provides the solution for the problem and the next government must implement the new EU fishing law and stop giving the lion's share of fishing quota to industrial and foreign fishing corporations at the expense of local, sustainable fishermen."

The next stop on the Greenpeace election tour is Grimsby on Saturday. The tour will culminate just days before the election in the Fisheries Minister George Eustice's constituency of Hayle. The campaigners are hoping that the Minister will respond to the breadth of support for the campaign from the public and cross party MPs and candidates as he is currently refusing to give more quota to local, sustainable fishermen as required by EU law.

Greenpeace launched the campaign 'Our net gain' in November last year with the shocking statistic that nearly half of the English quota is used by foreign industrial fishing corporations. While a meagre six per cent is given to local, low impact fishermen who fish sustainably and directly contribute to local economies. Greenpeace believes that through putting pressure in these key coastal battle grounds is a prime opportunity to force the next government to finally put local fishermen first in the queue for fishing quota.

ENDS

For more information, please call Kate Blagojevic on 07801 212 959

Common Fisheries Policy:

v  There were 3 key votes on the CFP legislation:

1.       The Common fisheries policy (CFP) regulation  –  on 6 Feb 2013. This law was passed with 502 in favour (75%). 9 out of 10 UKIP MEPs abstained (in opposition to the position of their EU group). Nigel Farage was the only UKIP MEP that didn't vote, even though he would have been in the building.

http://term7.votewatch.eu/en/common-fisheries-policy-draft-legislative-resolution-vote-legislative-resolution-ordinary-legislativ.html

2.       The Common market organisation (CMO) regulation - on 12 Sept 2012. This law was passed with 620 in favour (92%).  5 out of 9 UKIP MEPs abstained and 1 voted against the law (all in opposition to the position of their EU group). 3 MEPs didn't vote at all: 1 was entirely absent, and 2 – including Farage – didn't vote, even though they would have been in the building.

http://term7.votewatch.eu/en/common-organisation-of-the-markets-in-fishery-and-aquaculture-products-draft-legislative-resolution--3.html

3.       Third, the European maritime fisheries fund (EMFF) regulation – on 14 April 2014. This law was passed with 473 votes in favour (84%). 5 out of 9 UKIP MEPs voted against the law (in opposition to the position of their EU group). Of the remaining 4 MEPs that didn't vote, 1 was absent and 3 – including Farage – would have been in the building, but didn't vote.

http://term7.votewatch.eu/en/european-maritime-and-fisheries-fund-draft-legislative-resolution-vote-legislative-resolution-ordina.html

v  Fourth on environmental and social criteria. There was a vote for an amendment to the CFP regulation on using environmental and social criteria to allocate fishing opportunities and incentives for low impact fishing (this is more or less article 17 of the final regulation) – on 6 Feb 2013

This amendment was passed with 366 in favour (55%).  9 out of 10 UKIP MEPs abstained (in line with the position of their EU group) but Nigel Farage again was the only UKIP MEP who didn't vote, even though he would have been in the building.

http://term7.votewatch.eu/en/common-fisheries-policy-draft-legislative-resolution-after-article-16-amendment-227-ordinary-legisla.html

Nigel Farage turned up to just one out of 42 meetings on the fisheries committee when he was on it. (£) http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/85563e82-8f44-11e3-be85-00144feab7de.html

Original article - http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/media/press-releases/farage%E2%80%99s-voting-record-fishing-%E2%80%98makes-mockery%E2%80%99-new-election-poster-20150408

Perhaps you might practice what you preach

tell the truth or listen to someone who does instead of playing the tired old worn out record

[mk1]

Churchill agreed with the Common Market as a trading organisation

I am well versed in history of the Common Market. The prime aim was to tie France and Germany so close together there would be no repeat of the never-ending conflict between the two nations. In the previous 75 years they had fought 3 wars and many more before that when Prussia was the dominant German state. 'THE driving force was to end that cycle and marry them so closely that war would be impossible. It worked.  The EU is the reason why we can say Spain will never use force in order to reclaim an enclave on its coast.
NATO is an American dominated and run entity aimed at external threats and has nothing at all to do with the EU.

The EU was founded in 1993 with one of its aims being peace in Europe. It failed in the Balkans and might yet fail in the Baltic.

How many Balkan countries ravaged by conflict were in the EU?
The Batlic state's ties with the EU 100%  guarantee that Russia will never dare use force against them.
The  cause of the war in Ukraine was the Russian fear Ukraine would (one day) enter the EU and thus be beyond their reach.

[steveL]

"The problem in that case was that the Conservative Party split the vote, and we hadn't yet proclaimed our Australian-style points system plan for immigration"

You're a bit of a fibber aren't you, WiseOwl? Notice the use of the first person plural pronoun by someone who, in a previous post, denied any connection with UKIP...and then there was that question from FFS as to why anyone should be phoning you to tell them that they would be voting for UKIP.

In fact, you're a typical UKIPper; blinkered vision, ignorant and someone who sees everything in terms of black and white - literally.

[beanzontoast]

I'm not sure to whom you refer to wiseowl, or for that matter what was it that prompted the comment, if the comment was for me then as I am a UKIP voter then it has become something to be expected, one point you may not have noticed drom all of my threads on this forum I have not treated anyone with direspect, we have a democracy in this country and I respect the view of the electorate to vote for who they wish, let's see who Hartlepool decides on May 7th

[WiseOwl]

Stevie baby, I didn't say that, please don't take 2+2 and make it into 3

what part of I didn't say that do you not understand?
I thought this was a grown ups site!

[mk1]

and DRiddle is a school teacher probably a fully paid up member of the NUT whose union found over 10 million quid to the labour party,

That is it for Riddle. Outed by a razor-sharp intellect who managed to join up the dots when all around him failed to see the obvious. Well done that man!

This is a perfect example of the cold-war warrior mentality that dominates UKIP. People who live in a time warp when reds were under every bed and communist spies  caused  blackouts when they all logged in at once by short-wave radio to report back to their KGB minders in the Kremlin.
Pathetic yesterdays men yearning for a return to the days of the Empire  when uppity dark-skinned people knew their place.