UKIP

[notinshadow]

That's life!!

[mk1]

Protectionism and state controlled industries is not a policy of the right.

I really think you should look at the way the US protects its industrial base. I don't mean 'ordinary' industry but the high tech part.
You seem singularly ill informed about the Nazi party and its relationship with industry. One of the reasons they failed was the proliferation of competing firms who all made their own plans and designs for every tank/ship/aircraft contract. They ended up with 100 different designs of trucks and costly over-engineered (more profitable) weapons all made on production lines that ran only 10 hours a day. It was the freedom given to the likes of Krupp that was there undoing. Private enterprise taken to the extreme of using slave labourers and working them to death in the pursuit of 'choice'.
I think you will find it more productice to study someone  like Tooze

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Wages-Destruction-Breaking-Economy/dp/0141003480

than  reposting the specualtive  ravings of some speccy little Tory

[The Shadow]

And you seem ill informed on the BNP.

So the Nazis did quite perfect the whole socialist model they may have hoped for (thankfully), that still does not mean they were right wing.

[mk1]

And you seem ill informed on the BNP.

I think you will find I am very well informed on far right loony groups  in the 1960s-1970s. I even know which leaders (all male) paired up and had affairs with each other!

So the Nazis did quite perfect the whole socialist model they may have hoped for (thankfully), that still does not mean they were right wing.

You can close your eyes and spin around 3 times but it won't make a bit of difference.
The world will still be the one where the pinnacle of right wing worship is Adolf. The man  who believed working the little  people to death was the only way forward........

[Micksmate]

Just being mischievous Shadow, but for everyone's sake can anyone on here, in simple language, without quoting any theorist, economist, journalist, feminist or anything with an "ist" on the end, explain what is "Right" wing "Left" wing or "Centre" in political terms and perhaps the difference in what some people describe others as being "Racist Xzeophobics whilst others see them as patriots, not forgetting of course that not all people who claim to be proud to be British are white.  Food for thought: "Supposedly" Enoch Powells biggest supporters (at the time of his rivers of Blood speech)were the Asian immigrants of the day.

[The Shadow]

MK1 - The Nazis were named National Socialists - True or false?

The right of the political spectrum oppose socialism - true or false?


Now perhaps we can get back to the BNP being a left wing party. If you disagree, please explain why.

[mk1]

Enoch was  a brilliant man with a very sharp mind. No one could get the better of him in a debate and I saw many a interviewer completely demolished when they tried (in their view) 'corner him'.
His one fault was allowing his obsession with race to dominate his contribution to politics. His best course would have been to hold his views to himself but alas it was not to be.
Nor could Enoch be labeled as 'far right'. Like most of the Tory party in the 70's he had served in the war. These men had seen the result of rampant nationalism and they did their best to bring Europe together.  The  moronic flag-waving 'all out ills are caused by foriegners' pap we see today would cause them great pain.

The 'some of out members are Aisian' card is played a lot today by the BNP/UKIP/Edl but I never see any Rasta's at their marches!

[mk1]

MK1 - The Nazis were named National Socialists - True or false?

I called one of my dogs Trigger but he wasn't a horse.

There was a party called Democratic Unionist in N.Ireland in the 50's and 60's but if you were catholic you were not allowed to vote for it or any other party.
You getting  my drift yet?

[The Shadow]

Just being mischievous Shadow, but for everyone's sake can anyone on here, in simple language, without quoting any theorist, economist, journalist, feminist or anything with an "ist" on the end, explain what is "Right" wing "Left" wing or "Centre" in political terms and perhaps the difference in what some people describe others as being "Racist Xzeophobics whilst others see them as patriots, not forgetting of course that not all people who claim to be proud to be British are white.  Food for thought: "Supposedly" Enoch Powells biggest supporters (at the time of his rivers of Blood speech)were the Asian immigrants of the day.

I'll gladly do that for you when I drive home from Newcastle in an hour or so. (It'd be far too tedious a task on an iPhone!)

[mk1]

For the uninitiated:
This is nothing other than a right wing adherant who is  ashamed of his movements past.
To this effect he has attempted to distance himself from Hitler by  trying to rebrand his far far right Nazi party as a a communist front!
Incredible as it may seem he is telling you that the  looney US right wing 'white Power/Neo Nazi/survivalist groups are actualy socialists.
I know we have members here who used to belong to the UK branches openly Nazi loving  groups so perhaps they can chip in and confirm they were indeed socialist and/or communists?

[The Shadow]

The truth is that the left have for decades tried to distance themselves from the far left groups like the BNP and portray them as far right.

You have done a good job at it Mk1 I'll admit but facts are facts and I would encourage you to read the BNPs manifesto then try telling me they aren't left wing.

You will find racists in all walks of life and from all political outlooks, Diane Abbott is a good example from the 'caring' Labour party, just as you will find homophobic, xenophobic and down right nasty people across the political spectrum.

As KD points out, I am correct. X

[mk1]

Sorry mate but the worm is refused.
Look elswhere for sport as I have more important things to do. 

[Micksmate]

Come on fella's., it was a simple request what is "Right" wing, "Left" wing or "Centre" ground in politics.  If someone calls someone the "N" word is he "Left" wing "Right" wing or the poor excuse "Centre"   and as for Kipperdip and his "theoretical nuance" what has Chelsea's full back got to do with it?  We can all "Google" it "Wikepedia" it along with the rest of the search engines and make ourselves look bright and intelligent, but and the big but is, does/will  it answer the questions?  By the way where has perseus gone?

[mk1]

Kipper it is no secret you were a member of these far right groups in your youth
Put aside any fellow feeling you have for Shadow and answer this.
Were these groups left wing and were you a miltant Socialist?

A simple answer please..............

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[notinshadow]

I am losing interest in politics..it preaches hate as it's core message and the rest is then downhill from there.