UKIP

[Inspector Knacker]

So are you now gunning for the remaining 4% .......?

[Ryehill]

             Perseus, the membership of U.K.I.P. is about 20k. Members and supporters of U.K.I.P. cannot beheld responsible for everything supposedly said or written by other members, just the same as you can't be held responsible for the actions of members of  your local golf or  cricket club. Most of the stuff you quoted has long been in the public domain and keeps getting resurrected, particularly when U.K.I.P. is seen as a threat, usually before elections.They have no relevance to the U.K.I.P. of 2012.
           David Cameron's comments were uncalled for and appalled many Conservative supporters. Nigel Farage 's response was ' I don't mind him calling us loonies. I don't mind him calling us fruitcakes  ------------------- but what you cannot do in the 21st. century is to lob about accusations of racism.
          Perseus please note carefully because I object to being called a racist when there are absolutely no grounds for such an accusation.

[Inspector Knacker]

We had a terrier who just wouldn't give up a bone ....we had him put down in the end.

[mk1]

We had a terrier who just wouldn't give up a bone ....we had him put down in the end.

Wouldn't have been cheaper to stop boning him?

[Micksmate]

Isn't it amazing when the PC, holier than thou brigade get asked questions about real life and what worries people like:

1  The illegal immigrants
2.   Bogus asylum seekers
3.   Foreign criminals and terrorists being given safe refuge in this country
4.   Sex slaves
5.   Worker exploitation by gang masters.
6.   Parts of towns and cities being no go areas.
7.        Why asylum seekers cross half of the free world to claim asylum here.
(I could go on)  they never have the moral courage to answer, instead they seem to think that the answers to these sort of questions are only for racists, bigots etc. and should not be aired in front of children or that older people don't understand the new way of socialist thinking like good old Mr Blair and look at the mess he left behind on his way to millions.

[Lucy Lass-Tick]

We had a terrier who just wouldn't give up a bone ....we had him put down in the end.

Wouldn't have been cheaper to stop boning him?

Hmmm...to quote Hale and Pace 'We know a song about that, don't we'...

[notinshadow]

You do seem on the back foot lately.

I can't believe Kipperdip got the better of you with a small amount of help from the ex school teacher.

Come on "P" do you homework and prove sir wrong.. 

Looks like they have you in detention..

[notinshadow]

So have the debate without the restrictions and lets find out..

[Micksmate]

Why does nobody want to answer the questions that most of the public want answering:

1  The illegal immigrants (Should they be deported)

2.   Bogus asylum seekers  (Should they be deported)

3.   Foreign criminals and terrorists being given safe refuge in this country (Are their Human Rights more important than those of the citizens of the UK) etc. etc. etc.

Please someone answer and I promise not to call you racist or xzenophobic.

[stokoe]

yip im with you m,everybody i sit with in the works canteen go on about it.

so is it do we get classed as a racist for thinking like this.

[Ryehill]

             In a final , although probably futile effort, to engage Perseus in a non acrimonious discussion, remember it was he that inferred that U.K.I.P. candidates were less than human and racist to boot, I would like to point out that, all over the country U.K.I.P. representatives have been in debates in educational establishments, ranging from the Oxford Union to, at local level, Hartlepool 6th.Form College. If the representatives of all these schools and colleges are comfortable with U.K.I.P. by what right does  Perseus have to deny them a platform for their perfectly respectable, and increasingly popular, belief that Britain would be better off out of the E.U.

[The Shadow]

Micksmate, I believe the Tories want to putt out of the European Treaty of Human Rights and replace it with a British Bill of Rights that would enable us to deport foreign criminals and bogus asylum seekers.

The problem is the loony left and Limp Dems are dead set against it and are doing anything they can to postpone it or kick it well and truly into the long grass!

[notinshadow]

You lot just leave the E.C.H.R. alone until further notice..and the Human Rights..I think they are great at looking after the little person in the street, from the might of the government and the bullies that work for them.

[marky]

Just for info. The Human Rights Act is nothing to do with the EU. It was put together after the Second World War by people wishing to make illegal some of the dreadful things that pre-ceded it and that occurred during it. One of it's main supporters and designers was Winston Churchill and years later he declared it to be one of his greatest achievements.

I would guess one of the reasons that asylum seekers travel 'half way across the world' to the UK is that overseas, our country has the reputation of being one of the most, if not THE most tolerant country in the world.

If we want to decrease their numbers, perhaps it would be a good idea to force them to read this thread beforehand, in which case they would most likely change their mind quite quickly.

Note, I am not only talking about intolerance shown by UKIP supporters, which often displays itself through their sweeping generalisations, but also the intolerance shown by Perseus through his intolerance of UKIP and his suggestion that they should not be allowed a public platform.

Free speech is so fundamental to everything this country stands for and to deny it to others simply because you don't agree with what they say is a gross violation of that freedom.

UKIP have enough support in this country to be entitled to the same public platform as anyone else and I say that as someone who rarely agrees with anything that they say.

[Lucy Lass-Tick]

Well said Marky...