UKIP

[Ryehill]

      Perseus, you are nothing but a verbal bully. You can't discuss or debate in a rational way. You remind me of the  man who would go into a pub or club, wild eyed and frothing at the mouth. Anyone who happened to catch his eye received a mouthful of verbal abuse and threats of violence. Whenever he entered a bar, the room rapidly emptied . Very soon he was barred from every licensed premises in the town.  If you can't or don't want debate rationally you will soon be arguing with yourself.

[fred c]

I agree with much of that Fred

Thank goodness another Fred has turned up on here........ i was starting to get paranoid... lol

[Micksmate]

To me, you sound like an old racist who doesnt even know he is racist. Your party have no place in 2012. If you want a debate sir, come back at the long post You won't of course, because you can't.

By the sound of your posts you seem to think that anyone who wants to remain British is some sort of racist or xenophobic, so for everyone's benefit perhaps you could give us your words of wisdom on the following that a lot of people are worried about.

1.   The illegal immigrants
2.   Bogus asylum seekers
3.   Foreign criminals and terrorists being given safe refuge in this country
4.   Sex slaves
5.   Worker exploitation by gang masters.
6.   Parts of towns and cities being no go areas.
7.        Why asylum seekers cross half of the free world to claim asylum here.

[Micksmate]

I COULD yes, very easily. However, I don't see why I SHOULD when the whole lot of you are claiming you want a debate but have continually avoided directly discussing the serious issues raised in my long post.

So you seem to think that the questions I posed are not serious issues and that what party someone was in before moving to UKIP is a much more serious issue.  Strange person

You appear in 2012 to be scared of other human beings based on the location of the area of the planet their mothers were situated when they gave birth to them. That's very worrying gentleman.

As for the other bit, when foreign criminals and terrorists are given sanctuary in this country, you can take it to the bank I am scared and worried what the future holds for my grandchildren in this country.

[Ryehill]

 Perseus I see that you are not adverse to a bit of ageism. Not a nice trend

[Micksmate]

Who exactly is it's that's worrying you micksmate? Is it the doctors in our towns surgeries and hospital that are mostly asian in ethnic origin thats freaking you out? Is it the Polish lad who'll first fix your bathroom for half the money it used to cost (and he'll turn up on time)? Maybe it's that Romanian woman who plays the accordian at the bottom of the ramp near the library? Maybe inside her squeeze box is some semtex? Aaahh maybe it's the economy you're worried about? Maybe the fact the Romanian woman is basically playing music for pocket change in between the 99p store and cash for gold thats got you worrying about your grandkids? I hardly think she's a serious threat to wider economy of Hartlepool.

Oh dear, what part of the words "when foreign criminals and terrorists are given sanctuary in this country" don't you understand, perhaps it's time you came out of your little ivory tower and had a look at the real world.

[testing times]

I don't think the racist charge over immigration really stands up anymore. What has often struck me is the number of British citizens of ethnic origin and those more recently naturalised British citizens who are themselves concerned over the level of immigration.

In the latter case, they often point out that they don't like to see what they thought was the attraction of coming to Britain in the first place being diluted by an unsustainable influx of immigrants. In other words, they don't like to see the Britain they found so attactive in the first place becoming less like itself.

[notinshadow]

Perseus,

Regarding your smarta**e comments about smart phones.....................

I suggest you show HTH readers the courtesy of writing in the Queen's English, using correct grammar, proper use of sentence construction, appropriate use of capitals, and use of paragraph's, instead of your rambling, iliterate, ageist innuendo.

Oi where does that leave me my grammar is s**t but my brain works just fine.

[Micksmate]

14 pages long, nearly a couple of thousand views, yet still no answer to my main post. Quick to point of ageism from me, yet in total denial about obvious examples of homphobia, sexism, racism etc from high ranking members of your party. Now your playing the even immigrants dont like immigrants card. Priceless.

Oh dear, what part of the words "when foreign criminals and terrorists are given sanctuary in this country" don't you understand.  Come along perseus, why no answer, are you afraid that you might then be classed as  racist or xenophobic or have you no idea what i am on about.

[testing times]

Now your playing the even immigrants dont like immigrants card. Priceless.

Perseus

I am not a UKIP supporter and I've never voted for them and I rather resent that your assume from what I said that I am.

I simply made a point over an observation that I have made which you class as 'playing the even immigrants don't like immigrants card'. As a matter of fact, I don't personnaly class people who were born in this country or people who have earned their right to a British passport as immigrants at all.

It strikes me that you are one of those people whose mind is closed and simply has to be right by trying to prove that everyone else is wrong. Intolerant, in other words and therefore hardly in a position to accuse anyone else of being the same.

[beanzontoast]

Perseus, lets just assume for a moment that U.K.I.P. as a party are right of the political spectruml                               ( right wing if you like ). Nature hates a vacuum, and someone has to do it. Labour never will, it is tax and spend, big government, mass immigration, the Torys used to be a right wing government, but have ceased to be so, they were basically a party of low taxation, and small government, and controlled immigration. The Lib Dems, im not sure but after the last election the Lib Dems became the kingmakers, in so much as which ever party they went for became the goverment of the day, in this event they went for the tory`s the point is something Vince Cable said when asked about this on tv, he said if we had to get into bed with any party we are traditionally more comfortable with Labour, there you have it, the three major partys in a nutshell. I have mentioned to you previously on this forum, we have some things in common, and i don`t wish for any type of character assasination on the forum as it breeds hatred and intolerance in the end, i am sure you agree. U.K.I.P. as a relatively new party, has at the moment ( but getting better ) not been recognised as a brand, ( 3 main party`s just show voters a colour and they know who you mean ) to be continued. 

[not4me]

The current calls from within his own party for Cameron to ditch the moves on gay marriage and reform of the House of Lords tells us that right-wingers aren't all confined to UKIP. There are many MPs who sign up to a party, Left or Right, simply because it gives them more chance of being elected even though their own views more accurately lie somewhere else.

I'm not a fan of UKIP but they are entitled to their place on the political stage and given the percentage of the general public that agree with their view on Europe, perhaps a better question is why this is not being more accurately reflected in Parlaiment.

[beanzontoast]

Having mentioned about a brand and U.K.I.P. in particular, in the vein of Vince Cable if U.K.I.P. were to become kingmakers in a general election, it would be said U.K.I.P.s bedfellow of choice would be the Tory party. U.K.I.P. is starting to get more votes because, it is a party that fires warning shots to all political party`s namely on the EU what its end goal is, all political party`s know what a disaster it is, but wont tackle it, its end goal if you are interested is to bancrupt Britain as a country and at the same time destroy our national soverighty, I wont dwell on the EU any longer but the people are now starting to wake up to it. i have used a small I after the full stop to demonstrate i am only one voice but dont want to loose my nationality, nor become bancrupt as a country, nor do i wish to have a go at anyone who chooses to vote for any political party, or belief, nor do i have a problem with immigrants etc, who can blame them. I will leave you with some interesting news today, and you can tell me if you agree or disagree, one thing is for sure, if all can put party dogma away from the discussion, you cant say U.K.I.P. did not warn you, in fact if Cameron dosen`t move to the right, the people will choose U.K.I.P. i know what he will do.      To be continued........

[beanzontoast]

Now to finish off as mentioned the news today may seem news to many people, but for those who can rid themselves of party dogma, know these things in the news arent new at all, many have seen it coming, this is what U.K.I.P. has been trying to warn you about for years, you are beginning to listen, but no matter U.K.I.P. have won the argument on Europe. Some news today as i said you choose.

EU says all immigrants to get a british pension.
French vote in Hollande Socialist president ( Labour ) vows to increase taxes, borrow money, increase the public sector.
Human rights lets Serbian accused of war atrocity live here in council flat.
11,000 households on benifits, are as well off as those on higher rate taxpayers ( £47.000 )
Illegal immigrant Joy Chishimba, from Zambia, allowed to stay in her chelsea property even though she used a fake passport to defaud taxpayers out of £34,000. Like i say you have been warned.

[beanzontoast]

N4M,
      The Concervative party are traditionally right wing, as traditionally, Labour are left wing, both partys have been trying to shed this image and move to the centre ground, both party`s hate the voting system in this country and Labour has been playing dirty, but there are only those two views, it can be no other way, before you say rediculous the universe wont allow it. The universe is in essence duality, night and day, black and white,
right and wrong, etc. Which brings me to your point why this is not being more accurately reflected in parliment. to answer that and how Labour have been playing dirty. The question should be how far does the rabbit hole go.