Tennant for EU

jeffh · May 24, 2019, 07: AM

If Tennant is successful in his endeavours to go to Brussels, then Shane may well get an early indication of how the residents of Jesmond Ward feel about his recent blunders. I'm sure that Paddy Brown and Amy Prince may use that, now well used, political tool of a vote for HIU/SLP/Conservative (delete as appropriate), is a vote for CAB.

DRiddle · May 24, 2019, 08: AM

I'm afraid not. He's already stated if/when he is elected to the European Parliament he intends to continue on as a Hartlepool Councillor.

QuoteCoun Tennant said if he is elected it will not impact on the time and work he will be putting into Hartlepool Borough Council matters.

He said: "I can balance them both, people have been MEPs and councillors in the past.

"I will still be just as active as a local councillor.

"Absolutely I have enjoyed the extra work that has come with it and combining both roles."

Inspector Knacker · May 24, 2019, 09: AM

Brussels/Jesmond representative. Getting the Eurostar to see your Councillor could be problematic.

jeffh · May 24, 2019, 09: AM

Quote from: Inspector Knacker on May 24, 2019, 09: AM
Brussels/Jesmond representative. Getting the Eurostar to see your Councillor could be problematic.

We are already used to getting the Grand Central to see one of our ex-councillors, so hey ho!

mk1 · May 24, 2019, 02: PM

Quote from: Inspector Knacker on May 24, 2019, 09: AM
Brussels/Jesmond representative. Getting the Eurostar to see your Councillor could be problematic.

He will do a 'Jean Robinson'. Never underestimate a Politician's ability to forgot how he used to condemn others for what he now does himself. There is no way he is going to risk the national publicity of him losing his seat after a week or two. Party Policy will be to ignore the criticism and tough it out. Just yer average shameless lying politician who will do and say anything to keep power.

Inspector Knacker · May 25, 2019, 06: AM

I resent the idea that anyone, particularly in the scenario in question, can do the job at all. Put up for one or the other and give that post your full attention.
We appear somehow of having gone from local governance by a party of politically illiterate performing seals, to being 'run' by a loose collection of dilettantes driving the bus over a cliff.
It's like being cast adrift at sea and when the lifeboat turns up, they've kept on some old the old crew who used it for holiday trips round the bay and the the new intake are lead by someone who thinks he's Nelson. Then you realise you've got a problem.

mk1 · May 28, 2019, 01: PM

Careful Bob, you don't want to pre-empt Shane's big announcement..................

https://www.facebook.com/groups/273708489455822/permalink/1325041144322546/?comment_id=1325732570920070&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D

whatabouthisthen · May 28, 2019, 03: PM

IK, since when has being a Cllr been a full time job? Many Cllrs have also had a day job at the same time.

What you seem to be advocating will mean that a full time salary would have to be paid and it won't be £8k or so but likely to be over the £50k mark + employment costs.

As you may be aware some Labour Cllrs, locally and nationally, have been more than hinting that the job is becoming full time and should be paid accordingly. Don't forget! It was a Labour Government that started to give Cllrs their allowances. You may find it will become a reality if Labour win the next election.

Are you willing to pay the price through your CT?

mk1 · May 30, 2019, 11: PM

Breakdown of where the Tory and Labour votes went last week.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/conservative-labour-european-elections_uk_5cf01577e4b0a1997b6700db?utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage

What stands out is the Tory voters overwhelmingly went for Farage whilst the Labour voters went to pro-remain Parties. It appears the threat to Labour is them not shifting to a Soft Brexit or even a new Vote. The much talked about horde of working-class Labour supporters gung-ho for a swift Brexit did not switch to Farage.
I note another Poll published tonight about GE Voting intentions puts The Liberals ahead of even Farage and the Tories and Labour.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7088527/Poll-bombshell-Tories-Labour-main-parties-slip-joint-third.html

Inspector Knacker · May 31, 2019, 02: PM

The trouble with the polls is we live in 'interesting' times and the Liberals will be the grateful recipients for the votes of the disillusioned. However, when the time comes to vote properly, most off the Liberals new friends will drift back to their original fold.
This where it could get complicated. The Tories are in the doldrums and may well not retrieve their former voters. Labour on the other hand are competing against the Liberals, the greens and so called Change. If they're all competing for the same share of the vote in a first past the post scenario, they could split the vote and all end up plotless.
Interesting times indeed.

Lucy Lass-Tick · May 31, 2019, 02: PM

Suspect that a GE within the next 6 months or so would result in another hung parliament. This time, though, a parliament that is fragmented to the degree that any coalition would involve several factions, not just a couple of parties.

mk1 · May 31, 2019, 03: PM

Quote from: Inspector Knacker on May 31, 2019, 02: PM
The trouble with the polls is we live in 'interesting' times and the Liberals will be the grateful recipients for the votes of the disillusioned. However, when the time comes to vote properly, most off the Liberals new friends will drift back to their original fold.
This where it could get complicated. The Tories are in the doldrums and may well not retrieve their former voters. Labour on the other hand are competing against the Liberals, the greens and so called Change. If they're all competing for the same share of the vote in a first past the post scenario, they could split the vote and all end up plotless.
Interesting times indeed.

Liberals are an old established Party and are always just below the vote threshold to become a major force. To write them off would be a mistake. It matters not what the names of the Parties are rather their politics. The grouping with the most members/votes sets the agenda. A Labour/SNP/Liberal/Green understanding would, if current % vote is any indicator, outnumber a Tory/whateverFarage callshimselftoday group.
Anyone who believes Tennant can stand for Farage's new Party and then not follow through on every Farage policy locally is deluding themselves. The local IU are a right-wing political Group just waiting until they think it is safe to ditch the disguise and join Farage.

mk1 · May 31, 2019, 03: PM

Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on May 31, 2019, 02: PM
Suspect that a GE within the next 6 months or so would result in another hung parliament. This time, though, a parliament that is fragmented to the degree that any coalition would involve several factions, not just a couple of parties.

Nothing wrong with coalitions. It allows isolation the loonies and sensible consensus politics.

jeffh · May 31, 2019, 04: PM

Quote from: mk1 on May 31, 2019, 03: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on May 31, 2019, 02: PM
Suspect that a GE within the next 6 months or so would result in another hung parliament. This time, though, a parliament that is fragmented to the degree that any coalition would involve several factions, not just a couple of parties.
Nothing wrong with coalitions. It allows isolation the loonies and sensible consensus politics.

So what happened in Hartlepool then?

Inspector Knacker · May 31, 2019, 04: PM

Quote from: mk1 on May 31, 2019, 03: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on May 31, 2019, 02: PM
The trouble with the polls is we live in 'interesting' times and the Liberals will be the grateful recipients for the votes of the disillusioned. However, when the time comes to vote properly, most off the Liberals new friends will drift back to their original fold.
This where it could get complicated. The Tories are in the doldrums and may well not retrieve their former voters. Labour on the other hand are competing against the Liberals, the greens and so called Change. If they're all competing for the same share of the vote in a first past the post scenario, they could split the vote and all end up plotless.
Interesting times indeed.
Liberals are an old established Party and are always just below the vote threshold to become a major force. To write them off would be a mistake. It matters not what the names of the Parties are rather their politics. The grouping with the most members/votes sets the agenda. A Labour/SNP/Liberal/Green understanding would, if current % vote is any indicator, outnumber a Tory/whateverFarage callshimselftoday group.
Anyone who believes Tennant can stand for Farage's new Party and then not follow through on every Farage policy locally is deluding themselves. The local IU are a right-wing political Group just waiting until they think it is safe to ditch the disguise and join Farage.

Operating in a first past the post system, unless the others either reach a consensus not to field candidates, they will split their vote so even if Brexit had 26% of the vote and the others were split between several Party's there's the possibility that they could all still lose. Several Party's with same Brexit agenda is only useful in a proportional voting scenario. They could of course get together to work something out but that ain't gonna happen. Corbyn's has his foot on the brake pedal, he's buying time.