As the custody suite is formally confirmed closed, the BBC national news carried this horrifying report on policing in Hartlepool.
Available at 18.16 on the film.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/10318089/bbc-news-channel?fbclid=IwAR3y8Jc-YQ_PF9tSrWgCzfChDoe0WX1LIevhvGJKwvmrMT3tZeEmncezRMU
wonderful and when you get arrested and they won't pursue it how do you get home ???
"Hartlepool, one of the poorest places in England" :-(
I guess this news item would have had to be approved by Cleveland Police before transmission. Shows again that public services are drifting away from areas such as Hartlepool.
Clearly a National problem and probably worse elsewhere but not pleasant to see Hartlepool portrayed in this way.
Quote from: rabbit on November 19, 2018, 07: PM
I guess this news item would have had to be approved by Cleveland Police before transmission. Shows again that public services are drifting away from areas such as Hartlepool.
Clearly a National problem and probably worse elsewhere but not pleasant to see Hartlepool portrayed in this way.
Worse elsewhere.
Nowhere else tops the worse charts like Hartlepool
Do you ever wonder why there's lots of Police cars and vans outside the station, all hours of the day? Because there's no police to drive them! I was told by a serving police officer that at night, in Hartlepool, there's only four officers on duty! God help us if there's a major incident.
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on November 19, 2018, 08: PM
I was told by a serving police officer that at night, in Hartlepool, there's only four officers on duty!
The film says 10.
There are more Hartlepool episodes on the BBC news in the future.
What hot topics will feature and who will be appearing in them?
No custody suite for a town of this size? No courts anymore, everything being centralised in central Teesside and they call it offering a better service.
If police are travelling through to Middlesbrough to custody every time, that's them out of town for at least a couple of hours?
Meanwhile, our local politicians stand by watching the very structures and fabric of our town being flushed down the toilet in mute acceptance, yet get aroused and excited over tongs like carpets.
Not so much politicians as frustrated interior designers with a delusional belief in their own abilities.
Here's a link to today's BBC News web site showing the film & article in full.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-46261480/hartlepool-the-town-where-police-don-t-come-out
Checked the police manning levels for England and Wales and before 2005 the figures were the same as they are now. They rose under Blair but stared to fall again. So if the figures now are the same as in the 80's and 90's what's changed?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 20, 2018, 09: PM
Checked the police manning levels for England and Wales and before 2005 the figures were the same as they are now. They rose under Blair but stared to fall again. So if the figures now are the same as in the 80's and 90's what's changed?
The policing levels are back to the levels we last had riots on the streets ?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 20, 2018, 09: PM
Checked the police manning levels for England and Wales and before 2005 the figures were the same as they are now. They rose under Blair but stared to fall again. So if the figures now are the same as in the 80's and 90's what's changed?
all the Hartlepool lot are over the water
Official response to the BBC news item from Barry Coppinger can be found here
https://www.cleveland.pcc.police.uk/News-and-Events/News-Archive/2018/PCC-renews-call-for-fairer-police-funding.aspx
Quote from: Truthache on November 20, 2018, 09: PM
Official response to the BBC news item from Barry Coppinger can be found here
https://www.cleveland.pcc.police.uk/News-and-Events/News-Archive/2018/PCC-renews-call-for-fairer-police-funding.aspx
He gives the same limp type of justification that lost us our A&E while looking after his own handsome salary.
Convenient lack of mention of the millions lost because of misconduct too.
Waffle? As a matter of interest, here's a piece from the Daily Mail :
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6411663/Town-police-GIVEN-Hartlepool-ten-officers-population-90-000-people.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwAR268LiUHEDKvFhjS_BqqSQPt63_ALW1GJIo2uWMwSCkk9Uoizf89sEMQa8
And then Police Hour:
https://www.facebook.com/policehour/?__tn__=%2CdkCH-R-R&eid=ARCIJUTHOEFedxyiXYMfB9WfOrQMYuUyB3-2NegCY8IWiFMn8V1NCUeaWO7XkUyTrfnl-3DMEguA_7iA&hc_ref=ARQlp-3AodXmXr6UY696qSxAmfd4hwS5FZuPGAzhSSV2K-xSrBNfr7bPpoa91D-kpjE&fref=nf&hc_location=group
"Hartlepool Police Station will continue to be a beacon of policing in the centre of the town, housing Cleveland Police's Directorate of Standards and Ethics and the innovative Integrated Neighbourhood Team.
but no frontline cops
what a load of old waffle >:(
Quote from: Land Phil on November 20, 2018, 09: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 20, 2018, 09: PM
Checked the police manning levels for England and Wales and before 2005 the figures were the same as they are now. They rose under Blair but stared to fall again. So if the figures now are the same as in the 80's and 90's what's changed?
The policing levels are back to the levels we last had riots on the streets ?
All the levels prior to 2005 were similar or lower then now. Is it a case of how your resources are deployed? Might I suggest they cut funding out to non police priorities..
Riots on the streets? The last riot on the streets of Hartlepool was when the pies Raby out at Balmers.
Quote from: kevplumb on November 21, 2018, 05: AM
"Hartlepool Police Station will continue to be a beacon of policing in the centre of the town, housing Cleveland Police's Directorate of Standards and Ethics and the innovative Integrated Neighbourhood Team.
but no frontline cops
what a load of old waffle >:(
Spot on. Just like the hospital, they call it a hospital but it in reality it's just a symbolic .
They talk of re-opening the custody suite if circumstances change. It would appear Hartlepool has turned into an oasis of peace and tranquility where crime is a thing of the past, with a crime rate just below Heaven in it's numbers.
I also loved the bit about the timings for transporting them to the custody suite at Boro, which sounds more like a medical centre than a lock up. I suspect the timings will be over 2 hours out of town after the paperwork, they don't just them in the door and drive off.
Just a cynical thought, but how many officers are frontline,, on the streets officers and not on 'other cutie'?
I posted the link to Barry Coppinger's statement for information rather than debate. I also took the opportunity to send my comments (of dissatisfaction) to his office. Other Post readers and contributors can do the same so that the comments are recorded by the PCC office. The lack of a police station is unacceptable for the town the size of Hartlepool.
Inspector Knacker compares it to the hospital and describes it as symbolic. I don't regard the hospital as symbolic, it is very much active and too few people in the area recognise the work still undertaken there. People would like a lot more done at the hospital but continually describing it a "closed" or "symbolic" is wrong in my opinion. Yes we would like more acute care in Hartlepool (including maternity deliveries) but don't perpetuate the myth that the hospital is closed. It won't ever be a District General Hospital as that model of care has been changing for over a decade nationally. There is no sign that the NHS will do an about turn either locally or nationally. Too few specialist doctors to provide every service at every district hospital. Sharing doctors between hospitals is needed in many areas not just North Tees and Hartlepool.
On the policing, the BBC film showed Hartlepool in a very poor light and with further topics to follow it is possible that the town will be subject of more bad publicity across the country. Very embarrassing and hardly likely to attract employers, employees or families to our town and that includes potential NHS employees.
Be on Jeremy vine show now on radio 2 be interesting
It made the Daily Mail. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6411663/Town-police-GIVEN-Hartlepool-ten-officers-population-90-000-people.html
Quote from: Truthache on November 21, 2018, 08: AM
I posted the link to Barry Coppinger's statement for information rather than debate. I also took the opportunity to send my comments (of dissatisfaction) to his office. Other Post readers and contributors can do the same so that the comments are recorded by the PCC office. The lack of a police station is unacceptable for the town the size of Hartlepool.
Inspector Knacker compares it to the hospital and describes it as symbolic. I don't regard the hospital as symbolic, it is very much active and too few people in the area recognise the work still undertaken there. People would like a lot more done at the hospital but continually describing it a "closed" or "symbolic" is wrong in my opinion. Yes we would like more acute care in Hartlepool (including maternity deliveries) but don't perpetuate the myth that the hospital is closed. It won't ever be a District General Hospital as that model of care has been changing for over a decade nationally. There is no sign that the NHS will do an about turn either locally or nationally. Too few specialist doctors to provide every service at every district hospital. Sharing doctors between hospitals is needed in many areas not just North Tees and Hartlepool.
On the policing, the BBC film showed Hartlepool in a very poor light and with further topics to follow it is possible that the town will be subject of more bad publicity across the country. Very embarrassing and hardly likely to attract employers, employees or families to our town and that includes potential NHS employees.
Like the police, the hospital ain't what it used to be. Substitute shadow of it's former self for symbolic if you want but it changes nothing.
Just because things are planned over years doesn't mean they are agreed to.
We pay their wages and they answer to us.
Quote from: Land Phil on November 21, 2018, 01: PM
Just because things are planned over years doesn't mean they are agreed to.
We pay their wages and they answer to us.
Trouble is, we're the original soft touch. These bodies cut services as they please because they can do it without any kind of fuss being kicked up. No political barking Rottweilers for us, just preening, whimpering show poodles.
I don't for one moment believe that only ~4 people per day are using Hartlepool custody suite.....
Neither do I. Have they mistakenly went to a parallel Hartlepool called Hartleyfool?
A place where crime has decreased so quickly the courts and police custody cells can be consigned to the history books. Members of the local criminal fraternity are apparently signing on en masse for the Open University, forming chess clubs and organising heavenly choirs while shops are getting their shutters removed as they're now redundant. As if!
Just seen a few of these born again Christians checking car tyres and valeting cars. Salt of the earth working throughout the night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U-rBZREQMw
Years ago, Billingham was an independent vibrant place with a good rates income from the many industries in its area. Then, it became part of the Teesside County Borough and in the early 70's part of Stockton. Services shipped out till now it's just a big housing estate north of Stockton.
There's our future.
The way things are going though, it must be going to be a crime free, healthy future if you believe our friends on the Tees, who apparently need huge police stations and hospitals. As if!
Just been reading Coppingers version of events in tonight's Mail.
Apparently analysis by Cleveland police found the average journey time to custody in Hartlepool within Hartlepool was 14 minutes, meaning a trip to Boro would take only another fifteen minutes.
Well, an average figure of 14 minutes indicates that some journeys will be longer than 14 minutes, think about it, especially when they say the Boro is only another 15 minutes, that does not make any sense.
Also, while we may be losing the custody suite, the police station will become a beacon of policing in the centre of town. Why, wasn't it that before?
But fear not, now it's going to hold Cleveland Police's Directorate of Standards and Ethics and the Innovative Integrated Neighbourhood Team. Wow, I feel safer already.
Dear oh dear.
I would love to live in the world that some of the 'suits' inhabit.
Cleveland Police's Directorate of Standards and Ethics
you mean they have one ???
As nationally 30% of the wage bill is on non officer staff, can we assume these 'arrivals' will be swipe card carrying screen drivers and social behaviour engineers pontificating?
All we need of police officers is a presence and common sense on the streets, not an influx of blue light social workers philosophising on the problem.
There was a discussion about this on today's Loose Women. It didn't really cover the whole scope of the story, however I'm hoping that national media attention may help encourage the government and Cleveland police to remedy the situation.
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/crime/robberies-in-hartlepool-double-in-12-month-period-latest-crime-figures-reveal-1-9260701
Same topic on tonight's BBC News TV at 6pm. Statement by Chief Constable on twitter.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7816109/vigilantes-10-cops-for-92000-hartlepool-residents/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6423209/Police-45-minutes-arrive-burglary-station-Hartlepool.html
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/744411/hartlepool-abandoned-police-drugs-crime-locals-terrified
You can always count on the media to inflate a story way beyond it's scope. The daily star article is laughably sensationalist. It makes a bit of a mockery of the true situation IMHO. Still,, I'm hoping that the attention will be beneficial to the town...