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Politics => Local Issues and Matters => Topic started by: steveL on March 02, 2015, 01: AM

Title: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: steveL on March 02, 2015, 01: AM
http://youtu.be/1OqvZy2f7VI

A couple of things really, the first being that 3 or 4 people actually puts their coats on and left at this point, presumably thinking that the meeting was over.

Also, it's worth remembering that, apart from Robbie Payne, who wasn't at the meeting on the 16th, the whole Labour Group as well as the two Tories, Loynes and Wells, voted that the minutes, which stated that the meeting had been adjourned, were a 'true and accurate record of events'.

All opposition councillors who had been present disagreed.
Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: Lord Elpus on March 02, 2015, 06: AM
Stubbs asks Councillors to respect Council.  He needs to have a chat with SAB and point out that his actions on many occasions have shown disrespect to the role of Chairman of the Council and the residents of Hartlepool.

SAB is a disgrace, I'll always stand when the Mace enters the Chamber in recognition of Council, but I have complete and utter contempt for the person who holds the position.  Richardson, for all his faults at least had a degree of respect as a Chairman.

SAB has become a caricature of himself in so many ways.  Hartlepool deserves better
Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: DRiddle on March 02, 2015, 06: AM
He's just an absolute liability.

The likes of Robbie Payne who seems to be facing deselection and the prospect of having to scrap in Seaton for a seat, must look at this video and think "Hang on a minute".

As SABs a sitting councillor in Manor House, it's likely the public could have to put up with this farce for another 40 years or so.






Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: Land Phil on March 02, 2015, 07: AM
Who adjourned the hospital, Foggy Furze library and the town centre council run cafes ?

He deserves ridicule at every subsequent meeting until he is voted out.
Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: testing times on March 02, 2015, 09: AM
They say that 'the truth is out there'; well maybe and if it is then someone really needs to show both the Labour Group and the Conservatives where it is because they seem to have lost sight of it.
Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: marky on March 02, 2015, 09: AM
You're all being very, very naughty. Remember that Mr Stubbs said that you should all show more respect.
Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: Land Phil on March 02, 2015, 09: AM
His body language clearly says 'I am a liar'.
Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: Foggy on March 02, 2015, 10: AM
He 100% closed the meeting on 16th Feb.  He warned the public several times that if the disruption continued he would 'close the meeting'.  At no point before the 'adjournment' did the word 'adjourn' come out of his mouth.

How much longer do we have to put up with him 'chairing' meetings? I can't remember how long he is supposed to be ceremonial mayor for.  Having said that isn't his tribunal in April?... could things come crashing down around him sooner rather than later??
Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: steveL on March 02, 2015, 10: AM
His maximum two-year term as Chair will come to an end after the May elections. At a guess, I would say his Labour colleagues are praying for the day but in the meantime they have decided to grin and bear it rather than see him ousted. I would expect Richardson to take his place which won't be much of an improvement. Richardson was Chair for several years before SAB and was seriously biased in his handling of meetings.

I know people jokingly make reference to North Korea but Labour are undoubtedly serious control freaks. Nothing is left to chance. So hijacking the normally neutral position of the Chair of the Council is nothing to them. Likewise, getting rid of supplementary questions was one of the first things that they did after Drummond went. They will absolutely hate all of this videoing that is going on and will be desperately trying to think of ways of clamping down on it. It was interesting that 6 months after the new legislation allowing videoing of meetings came in we were all greeted with new 'guidance' hand-outs placed on the seats of the public gallery - they are working on it.
Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: Foggy on March 02, 2015, 10: AM
The Carl option doesn't sound much better.  His innocent 'I never make personal insults' act on Thursday didn't fool anyone.

One other thing I will say is that they need to be a little more careful who they make deputy mayor this time.  I think poor Mary will still be traumatised after they last time she was dropped in it asked to step in and chair a meeting.
Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: steveL on March 02, 2015, 10: AM
The role of Chair of the Council and 'Ceremonial Mayor' needs to be split. Mary would make a perfectly good 'Ceremonial Mayor' in recognition of the years she has put in as a ward Councillor but clearly she is out of her depth as a Chair.
Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: fred c on March 02, 2015, 10: AM
Lets face it, the only reason The Handsome one was allowed (In his Case the Dubious Honour ) of being ceremonial Mayor 3.... yes 3 times, was a collective act of a*** kissing by the rest of The Mob.

It has always been a recognition of a councilors civic commitment & as far as i can remember it was for a period of 1 year, there may have been the odd exception but it is unheard of for anyone to have 3 consecutive years in the position.

Only in Hartlepool & only under The TorLab Mob.
Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: for fawkes sake on March 02, 2015, 09: PM
I wonder what any of the Labour sheep think about themselves and their own morality once they have seen this video. It's now out in the open that, as far as their group is concerned at least, it's now not only OK to lie but also they clearly don't give a hoot that the public know about it.

Madness, absolute madness.
Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: fred c on March 02, 2015, 10: PM
What worries them more than most things is the increase in members of the public that are now starting to involve themselves in the various meetings.

Civic involvement has always given The Mob the skitters, the stunts they have been getting up to in the last few years has been noticed by an awful lot of people who aren't prepared to sit back and take it.

The more people who attend full council meetings,  the more people get to know how dysfunctional & self serving they are.

As Wolfie would have said........

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: Hartlepudlion on March 02, 2015, 11: PM
Instead of complaining on here make it OFFICIAL.

Email or write to the Borough solicitor pointing out that the minutes are blatantly inaccurate as the video shows and that action should be taken to rectify the this inaccuracy. You could also ask that the Chair and the Councillors who voted for the acceptance of the minutes be sanctioned for lying.
Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: Land Phil on March 03, 2015, 06: AM
I complained about a previous biased outburst and got a reply that he speaks  for the council, that is the official statement and that is that. Basically told to eff off we don't care.
Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: Jeff on March 03, 2015, 07: AM
And the saddest thing in this whole saga is that it is most probable that these Liars will be voted back in.
The majority of the voting public are ignorant to the goings on in our Councial Chamber and the Liars rely on that fact.
We can only hope that one by one, people realise, what a self-serving, hypocritical and loathesome bunch these Liars are and get rid...... but I won't hold my breath.

As for complaints to the council, still waiting on responses after promises that my concerns would be 'looked into'... Obvioulsly filed in the bin again!

You can tell by the look on Devlin's face that he does not give a flying 'f&*k. about the town. I bet he laughs all the way down the A689 on his way home.
Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: craig finton on March 03, 2015, 10: AM
SAB is a liar who is prepared to say anything to get himself out of a corner but surely the worse thing is that all of the other Labour and Tory Councillors were prepared to back him up when knowing full well what actually happened. If they will all lie over this then they will lie over anything.

Tell me how we are supposed to respect such people, Mr Stubbs.
Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: mk1 on March 03, 2015, 01: PM
You can see the fear in their eyes with every council meeting. It is not a question of 'what' can go wrong but 'when' it goes wrong. We have the chairman throwing hysterical fits and making himself look a right kn*ob. Everyone can see what a prick he is and no amount of denial can wipe the memory of a mountain of quivering flesh perspiring profusely and  flouncing out of the chamber.
Words are Superfluous. The footage tells it all. You can bet there are moves afoot to end or severely restrict fiming of the meetings.  Labour have totally lost control and they are always reacting to the opposition. If it were a boxing match the ref would have stepped in and ended it long ago.
Keep going. The reaction from the public will have left no doubt in the SCABs minds just how (un)popular they are. They can keep pretending they are overwhelmed by private messages of support but we all know they are lying. 
Title: Re: Closed or Adjourned - You Decide
Post by: fred c on March 03, 2015, 03: PM
Quote from: mk1 on March 03, 2015, 01: PM
You can see the fear in their eyes with every council meeting. It is not a question of 'what' can go wrong but 'when' it goes wrong. We have the chairman throwing hysterical fits and making himself look a right kn*ob. Everyone can see what a prick he is and no amount of denial can wipe the memory of a mountain of quivering flesh perspiring profusely and  flouncing out of the chamber.
Words are Superfluous. The footage tells it all. You can bet there are moves afoot to end or severely restrict fiming of the meetings.  Labour have totally lost control and they are always reacting to the opposition. If it were a boxing match the ref would have stepped in and ended it long ago.
Keep going. The reaction from the public will have left no doubt in the SCABs minds just how (un)popular they are. They can keep pretending they are overwhelmed by private messages of support but we all know they are lying.


Overwhelmed by messages of support  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

The Fat Boy must be sending them to Cwistopher...... & Cwistopher must be sending them to The Fat Boy.