Here's a story for you all.
Remember that story in the Mail about UKIPs cunning plan regarding Independents? The story was given to the Mail by a Mr S Hadow who it was suggested was a UKIP member. Not true - no one from UKIP had heard of him.
Do a bit of shuffling and S Hadow turns into our old friend SHADOW and we all have a good idea who that is. The Mail though, by all acoounts didn't have to guess - word is they not only knew it was a fake ID but they also knew exactly who it really was.
Will they be writing a retraction? An apology? Or even a second article to put the record straight?
In a word - NO. They've refused point blank.
Who is Shaddow?
Who is Mr S Hadow?
I take it they are the same person but that is about how far my knowledge stretches!
Shadows are, (by very nature), somewhat insubstantial...
Very cryptic, very correct.
I've heard he's a bit cuckoo ....
I think shadow was our only ray ........of sunshine and I hear he moved to Tunbridge Wells.
I note ra.............sorry the Shadow is back as a member.
For those who missed my email or the story in the Hartlepool Mail.
Dear Hartlepool Borough Councillor,
Since their first press release back in November, Hartlepool Independents - Putting Hartlepool First have been deceiving you and the people of this town into believing that they are a new independent party that was set up as a real alternative to the petty party politics and complete contempt shown to residents that they claim has plagued our town for years. Let us be honest, they have done a very good job at convincing many people that this is the case.
Well I am writing to you this morning as both a former member of UKIP and a concerned resident who has decided to do the right thing and tell you the real reason Hartlepool Independents - Putting Hartlepool First was created as a new political party.
Back in July 2011 I received an email from Stephen Allison who was at the time the Vice Chairman of UKIP. The email was a report in his own words of a NEC (National Executive Committee) meeting that he had just attended. Mr Allison states that he had been trying to push an idea that would help gain UKIP more votes and candidates from those who would not ordinarily support the party. (See below - I have removed the parts of the email which are not significance)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 20:47:09 +0100
From: steve.allison107@btinternet.com
To:
Subject: NEC DIGEST – July 2011
"Doug Denny then gave a brief report on Double nomination. This is sometghing I have been trying to push for a while and the NEC accepted the proposal to co-operate formally with residents' associations and local independents using the "dual candidate" route now available to registered political parties (NB Registered parties NOT individuals). If for example an organisation called "Hartlepool Independents" or "Hartlepool Residents" was registered with the Electoral Commission then UKIP could reach an agreement to field joint candidates. The ballot paper could say "Hartlepool Independent and UKIP Candidate" or "Hartlepool Residents and UK Independence Party Candidate" It costs £250 to register a political party and I've suggested to my branch committee that it might be a good move politically to get "Hartlepool Independents" or "Hartlepool Residents" registered and under our control. We could then maybe attract people to stand next May who are not going to join UKIP but who would like to join an "Independent" or "Residents" Party. At the very least, we should consider registering these names to deny them to others!"
As you can clearly see, Hartlepool Independents - Putting Hartlepool First was deliberately created and registered as a political party so that UKIP could "attract people to stand next May who are not going to join UKIP but who would like to join an "Independent" " and therefore elect UKIP councillors by the back door.
I am giving you this information because I cannot allow this charade to go on any longer and I will not allow anybody to use this kind of deliberate and shameful act of deceit against the people of this town. We deserve better that this!
So councillor I urge you, regardless of political colour, to REALLY Put Hartlepool First and make sure that this pack of fraudsters are put well and truly last.
Sincerely,
Stephen
You now have both sides of the story.
P.S. I was a centrally enrollwed member of UKIP. Never had anything to do with our local branch
Dear Shadow...didn't know you were into archaeology... ;), Love from LL-T xx
Well your attempt to "not allow this charade to go on any longer" seems to have gone belly up at the first hurdle. UKIP will be fielding its own candidates in May, some of which will be against HF candidates, which does seem to leave your conspiracy theories stuck up your own ar**.
Why not reveal your name and allow the UKIP guys to verify that you were a 'centrally enrolled member of UKIP.' You sound more like a centerally controlled member of the Labour Party or a cuckoo Conservative.
Not quite archeaology but the dates are very interesting... Let's look at them.
The leaked email was sent in July 2011 and Mr Allison himself confirmed to the Hartlepool Mail that it was genuine.
Hartlepool Independents stated in the Hartlepool Mail that Mr Allison left UKIP in November 2011 to set up the new party.
Checking on the electoral commissions website you can see that Hartlepool Independents - Putting Hartlepool First was registered in September 2011.
That is two months AFTER it was suggested to Hartlepool Branch chairman of UKIP that the party register the name so that it is "under their control" and two months BEFORE Mr Allison allegedly severed all ties with UKIP to "set up the new party".
Who is kidding who?
Then we get on to the fact that the branch chairman of UKIP claims that they are nothing to do with Hartlepool Independents and that he this has never been the case.
I find this odd since you can see from the July email that this was discussed with him directly.
So I leave you with the facts about the real story behind the creation of Hartlepool Independents - Putting Hartlepool First.
What I will say is that I have no doubt that people have joined the new party for all of the right realons and I wish those genuine people who knew nothing about this scam the very best of luck. However ithose people need to take a long hard look at what has been going on and ask some serious questions to the people involved.
'member of the Labour Party or a cuckoo Conservative'.
Same thing isn't it.
Seems to be a bit of a none story to me. If you were claiming that Allison's mother was a green alien then at least it might be entertaining.
Now about those cuckoos in West Park .....
I saw the Shadow in Ward Jackson Park.............
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I heard a Councillor refer to Ray Wells as an "odious little t*a*" the other day.
Apparently it's the nick name some fellow councillors have bestowed upon him, it seems to fit him pretty well.
Quote from: steveL on April 02, 2012, 06: PM
Seems to be a bit of a none story to me.
Of course it seems like that to you Steve, as it involves one of your sainted ones and not a member of the labour party.
It is a shame this forum has changed from being one where all views could be discussed. It is now blatantly obvious that your view is only welcome if it is shared by Hartlepool Independents. Such a shame you reduced it to this.
I think if you're going to run telling tales to a commercial newspaper then you should have had the balls to use your real name so that your own credentials can be verified - i.e. your UKIP membership. Otherwise it might just look as if you're a sitting Councillor s**t scared of losing your own seat and prepared to say just about anything from behind the grassy knoll to prevent it happening.
Aww they will be so proud of you for jumping, ever so galliantly, to their defence and sticking to the party line of 'ignore all of the damaging facts against us and try to discredit him'.
I have published my real name though I would be very interested to hear how you would verify my party membership with UKIP? I don't believe you have ever been a member have you? Mr Allison has apparently left the party so he is surely not privy to that information anymore? And I am sure you would not be encouraging an active member of UKIP with authority to check my details to breach data protection and confirm/deny or pass my information on to anybody else.
Come on Steve you are not that stupid. Are you?
Easy way to prove your membership of UKIP, post your membership card and party number on here. I'm sure we could find a way to check it out
On a separate note I heard Ray Wells made a right t*a* of himself at Greatham the other night, (meet the Tory candidates event) I think he can kiss goodbye to any significant support from there or Elwick from what I've heard.
Why did we go missing for 2 days, are we still under attack ??
Quote from: The Shadow on April 04, 2012, 06: AM
Aww they will be so proud of you for jumping, ever so galliantly, to their defence and sticking to the party line of 'ignore all of the damaging facts against us and try to discredit him'.
Since when did constant reiteration mutate falsehood into truth?
Quote from: testicles on April 04, 2012, 09: AM
Why did we go missing for 2 days, are we still under attack ??
As mentioned at the top of the page, 'HTH site remains under attack and will continue to be subject to interruption until counter measures are fully in place'
'Counter measures' sounds serious. Does it involve an AK47? LOL
As the Shadow says, he has given his real name (in the past).
He has no reason to give his real name on here. I don`t give mine either!
11 years ago he was also known as the Shadow, his name being .......
I can give you a link to verify this. But I`m sure you can find it too.
So in this respect unlike many on this board has kept to his alias.
As to his posting and views on the UKIP/ Hartlepool Independents situation, both of these groups should make it clear that they are totally independent of each other and that there are no shenanigans.
I would vote for the new party if I was confident that they were genuine.
Both UKIP and Putting Hartlepool First have actually publicly stated that they are completely independent of each other. This will be even more evident when the nominations for HBC are published, as they are actually standing against each other!
"Since when did constant reiteration mutate falsehood into truth?"
Ask Tony Blair or George Bush, or in fact many other politicians of any side.
Quote from: rabbit on April 05, 2012, 11: AM
"Since when did constant reiteration mutate falsehood into truth?"
Ask Tony Blair or George Bush, or in fact many other politicians of any side.
Trailer for an hilarious programme...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZAZboz8reI
Good one! With some local interest.
"This will be even more evident when the nominations for HBC are published, as they are actually standing against each other!"
Here we go:
105 battle it out for seats in local elections
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/local/105-battle-it-out-for-seats-in-local-elections-1-4419537
As far as I can see Hartlepool Independents and UKIP are only directly going against each other in 1 seat of two wards.
*Fens and Rossmere = Lilley, Lilley & Gibbon for HF and Dave Pascoe for UKIP. Hardly suprising since this ward encompasses the area where Dave has always stood.
*Victoria = Mitchinson, Sinclair & Thompson for HF and Cath Hill (different one) for UKIP, who I believe stood in the former main area last year?
Many of the other more wards which you would assume HF would target like Foggy Furze for example, have only two HF and one UKIP.
Ohh and then we look at the Headland and Harbour ward where UKIP have always tended to do very well. Three HF candidates and erm zero UKIP candidates. Heaven forbid they should put a candidate against Mr Allison and risk his chances.
I leave you with a link to read (don't worry not the whole page) scroll down to the UKIP candidate and take note of what banner her is standing under *SPOILER* It isn't UKIP ;)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_mayoral_election,_2012
I don't think anyone is listening any more mate.
It seems Ray is sh*t scared he is going to lose his photo studio ( Ward Jackson Park to those recently returned from a 10 year trip to Mars and back)
I was speaking about 'the Shadow' to a relative of mine the other day and when I mentioned the name Ray Wells I was informed that he was very well known to him. Unfortunately I can not repeat the revelations that followed..................
On another note in the Mail there was another pic of 3 fat people to match a photo of the same 3 fat people that appeared yesterday. You can tell who is getting the bigger bungs because the one who's family sucked thousands out of the tax payers in compo to match his gift for allowing the hospital to shut and the one who is getting millions for her extended family both had different outfits in the photos. The one who has not yet managed to get to that level was wearing exactly the same outfit...best stand downwind SCAB 1/Angie!
I think all three could do with some Photoshop tips off Ms Hargreaves ;)
The election is defo upon us
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/local/13-000-camera-is-back-in-action-1-4415373
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/lifestyle/play-area-work-nearing-completion-1-4419061
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/local/call-for-pm-to-visit-town-1-4419065
You have to chuckle at the last one.....
Quote from: fred c on April 05, 2012, 04: PM
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/local/call-for-pm-to-visit-town-1-4419065
You have to chuckle at the last one.....
Yup, that last one is a corker...reminds me of the lines in the Bard's Henry IV part 1...
Glendower:
I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur:
Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them?
Major repairs underway at the 'new' Thornton St Linear Park. Foster Laws have been round to remove several sections of railings. I presume this is so the defective stone bases can be removed and replaced. Well over half the stonework is serously damaged because water got into the cracks and the frost split them apart.
This is the second time this has happened as they replaced some of the stones a few months back.
In all since it opened 80% of the shrubbery planted has been ripped out by children, 3 trees have been pushed over/snapped in half and replaced and the original wooden seats were completely smashed apart twice before they were replaced by metal ones. The tops of the railings are fancy round finials but again the kids discovered they are easily dislodged so a good dozen have been removed.
Strangely news of this repair work is not mentioned in any of the Labour Election guff posted through my door. Given the number of councillors fighting to be photographed in it when first opened I am puzzled by the lack of any 'credit grabbing' for the remedial work.............................(http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/4528/thorntonstlinear1sml.jpg) (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/thorntonstlinear1sml.jpg/)
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i wonder where the 3 fat people will be in tonights mail, my bet is standing next to the old paybus we were told was knackered. a big fundraising push was in the mail for months for a new bus and lo and behold the old one reinvents itself as the rifty 9.
I think Shadow is missing the point, as long as the Labour dominance of the council is broken then a lot of people on here will be very happy, and the town will be better off, especially is the 3 fat people ceased to pollute the newspaper on a daily basis! ;)
Really would like to know who this shadow is, however i am privy to some information regarding UKIP, the Independants, and Hartlepool first, while i could give you the full story i would like you to take the time and join the dots. are you sitting comfortably then lets begin, when you wish to climb the slipery slope you have to be prepared to use a false flag to get what you want, others use the term follow the money, so to business
In the animal kingdom if you need to stop someone having you for dinner you need to become bigger than you are, most animals fluff themselves up become bigger than the predator. so to with the independance party and hartlepool first. UKIP by definition are a registered political party, with fully costed policy`s and a manifesto, a political party which in 2014 is on course to overtake the Liberal Democrats who are the labour party without the unions. UKIP has Independant in it`s name, so independants try to associate with UKIP and many Hartlepool first came from the original Hartlepool Independants they both have nothing to do with UKIP.com look don`t hang the monkey again
UKIP are a done deal this time round, with only 8 standing, they might nick third place at Hart but the others will blow out.
The way forward for UKIP once Eric leaves, is to put Pascoe in charge and build a team early for next time round.
Lucy Lass you have what it takes, you are most correct i salute you, local elections as well as general elections are subject to to the law of the land, oliver cromwell et-al no less, in as much if you have any allegiance to a registered political party you must place your name and show your colours. So on the ballot paper if a candidate for election has a symbol they are deemed to be a true party that has the potential to change the country, any candidate who has no such symbol is by definition an independant and classified as on their own, they can get on a soap box in the town square that is their right and many good men in two world wars gave them that freedom and so it should always be.
So it is simple enough if steve allison or others by any association is in any way part of UKIP it is a play on the word Idependant and and therefore no association exists. I do have some verifiable information on the subject and that is Mr Allison did approach the Hartlepool branch of UKIP and because of his long standing membership of UKIP he would be happy if the branch did not put up a candidate agaist him in the may elections, the branch was happy to do this, the gloves are now off.
Hang on a minute, fielding 8 in 11 wards where 33 will be elected, Steve Allison was doing UKIP a favour by asking!
Steve Allison was just hedging his bets, by talking to the UKIP branch he gained some vital information 1) he knew his old party but he wasn`t sure how strong they were. 2) after the meeting he did, he knew they didn`t have the foot soldiers to contest every ward. 3.) and for what it`s worth this is my opinion, and by the way before the rank and file knew about this, rumour has it the deal was done, it could be construed he did play them like a fiddle but in retrospect UKIP didnt have enough candidates to contest every ward, such is life.
He should have known how strong they were, he was the dept leader wasn't he?
Beanzontoast, thank you for actually looking at this subject from both sides. It is a breath of fresh air on here as of late.
I knew a deal had been cut with Mr Allison, which was not put to the local membership, and you are right of course in stating they [UKIP] did struggle for candidates this year. I find it suprising though that they would not put a candidate in the Headland and Harbour ward since they have done very well there in the past. The fact that they did not put a candidate up, despite claiming they would be standing against HF candidates when the leaked email was published in the Hartlepool Mail.
Beanzontoast, could you confirm if the whole Hartlepool Independents dual candidacy subject was discussed with Eric Wilson. As Mr Allisons email states?
Shadow are you Jim Allen? yes or no
Nobody on this site should have to divulge their identity.
Shadow, you don't have to tell us if you are, just tell us if your not.
Why does my identity matter so much? I do not know your real names, nor have I asked for them.
Quote from: notinshadow on April 08, 2012, 01: AM
Not bad for a man of your age!!
Haha easy! But thank you none the less.
Then we can all move on without it coming up each and every time you're online. I couldn't care less, I like your posts and think you are a breath of fresh air, I like the way you play them all. Not bad for a man of your age!!
I am led to believe he did not go to the branch meetings, and lost contact with the party due to his fathers ill health.
I think we just need to concentrate on what is said, rather than who is saying it. In that I mean as long as it is contructive in ridding this town of the huge problems is is laid with.
So let us just get on with informing one another on what is happening in the town and how we can solve it's problems.
It is that what is the issue, not a name, a gender, etc.
What are the aims and ambitions of a person's agenda?
I think it is very important to listen to what is being said, by who it is being said by, why they are saying it and who is pulling their strings.
One of the problems the town is faced with come May 3rd, is the amount of "also rans" that are going to take votes away from people that otherwise might have a chance of being elected.
Beanzontoast
I am led to believe he did not go to the branch meetings, and lost contact with the party due to his fathers ill health.
Can't blame the man for that, as I am sure you don't, puts party politics right down the importance list.
No one needs to reveal their names on HTH; it's always been that way and as long as people are sensible in what they write and don't get too personal then everything should work out OK.
That said, it can be fun to speculate ;)
I really don't think Shadow is Jim Allen as I don't recall him mentioning wind turbines once ::) - ironic really, as there are few people in town more full of it. (Mr Allen, I mean)
Well since you mentioned wind turbines... ;)