Free telecommunication Training for the unemployed advertised in the mail today the training takes place at Hartlepool United Football club.
Quote from: popgoestheweasal. on June 27, 2012, 03: PM
Free telecommunication Training for the unemployed advertised in the mail today the training takes place at Hartlepool United Football club.
Why don't they start a 'free' CV writing service then they can generate as many jobs as the other useless agencies that litter the town.
Any free help is a good thing surely.
The town is awash with people offering to write your CV or 'help' you get employment.
The problem is that no-one will employ them.
A bloke i know gets £2500 every time he helps set up a business and website.
Why not give it to a company to pay for an apprentice..
That's a good thing surely.
the truth is out there....but does it have to be so cynical?
http://into-theblue.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2313 (http://into-theblue.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=2313)
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If to achieve there aim the football ground gets the millhouse project done is it not worth paying.
my mother lives in belk street and see the positives in the project.
and lets not forget in years to come there could be more campaigns for the bowls club and leisure centre as money gets less and less and there working life comes to an end.
I think you've got that the wrong way round. It's not about the redevelopment benefiting because of the ground giveaway, it's all about piggy-backing the ground giveaway on the redevelopment.
yes steve because you know all the facts ::)
even the councillors want more information but what the heck they should have come to you the font of all knowledge :D
I think you'll find that the Councillors already know what they need to know but it's in the way of things that they have to be seen to go through the motions before they too state the bleeding obvious.
It's all down to one thing really. How does giving the ground away help or speed up the redevelopment of Mill House? The answer is it doesn't - in fact there's no linkage between the two at all.
Either way, HBC is expected to pay for just about everything and whatever grants are available will be available to HBC whether or not the council gives the ground away. This weakness of the IOR case has been acknowledged even on the bunker which is why they are trying desperately to create the illusion that it's all part of the same Masterplan. There is no Masterplan.
There has only ever been one plan as far as IOR is concerned and that was to do whatever and say whatever was necessary to get the ground for nowt.
There's no reason why Gus Robinson can't put forward artist impressions to HBC and even involve the College of F.E., Camerons and perhaps even a Housing Association. The timeframe for any development will be down to how, when and if HBC can raise the money; all of which has got sod all to do with the football club.
and the land the skatepark is on and the road access to the corner flag at the rear of the mill house stand are part of the area where the leisure centre and bowls club are due to be sited on are currently part of the land pools pay to lease and so i'm afraid as usual the facts are simply being ignored to try and make your point appear to be one from an informed point of view ::)
The Mill House presenations have apparently had an average attendance of around 60 people, considering some of those will be local residents it would appear that the majority of Pools fans aren`t overly interested in what is laughingly described as "The Master Plan".
If I.O.R really want to develope the Mill House area let them put up the finance & proceed with the idea as a commercial enterprise, Pools would then have a chance to recoup the total outlay by renting the facilities back to the interested parties.
The realistic odds of this development going ahead are very long, as mentioned it all depends on HBC having the finance available to go ahead with it & in these uncertain times it wont be anytime soon.
I certainly don`t think it helps matters when certain individuals appear to be comfortable in making threats against democratically elected councillors & members of the public because they have taken a pragmatic view on this proposal.
As I've said before, this discussion is a bit pointless as I'm trying to talk to the proverbial brick wall. It's a bit rich, for example, to talk about the location of the skateboard park when 'the Masterplan' forgot to include the skateboarders altogether and with some of your bunker mates suggesting it enough for the skateboarders to use the steps and slopes of the development pathways instead.
I notice that you haven't answered the question about how giving the ground away would help or speed up any development given that the football club are contributing bugger all and expecting HBC to pay for everything. You are dealing with a council that has rightly grown wary of false promises from developers.
I suggest that the best way forward for your dream is to drop any further pretence of being genuinely concerned about regenerating the Mill House area. When people have already shown themselves not to give a toss about the Skateboarders or the Bowls Players and admitted that their 'concern' is nothing but a front for their own narrow ambitions then the penny will have dropped with even the dimmest councillor.
The game is up and IOR should do what everyone else has to do in the same circumstances and that's to simply buy the freehold at the market rate.
Quote from: steveL on June 29, 2012, 09: AM
When people have already shown themselves not to give a toss about the Skateboarders or the Bowls Players and admitted that their 'concern' is nothing but a front for their own narrow ambitions then the penny will have dropped with even the dimmest councillor.
The game is up and IOR should do what everyone else has to do in the same circumstances and that's to simply buy the freehold at the market rate.
I'm on the fence with regards this Millhouse thing, but the quote above and the person who posted the screenshot are guilty of "spin" of the highest degree.
Saying that "the truth is out" and "people have already shown themselves..." based on the opinions of two or three people apparently posting opinions on some un-named messageboard is clutching at straws to try and indicate the opinions of anybody in favour of the plan.
Obviously I expect the more blinkered amongst you to have a pop back at this post, but go for it and remember, saying something untrue over and over again doesn't suddenly make it true however much you lot seem to believe that it does.
How can posting an actual screenshot be described as 'spin'? They're not my words but the words of some of the people supporting the ground giveaway.
Horden: Be honest! If it wasn't for HUFC getting the ground back would anyone give a flying f*ck about redevelopment of the Mill House area? I think not.
Shamrock: but that is the way we have to play it.
Admin: Exactly. This is the best chance we have of fitting our needs., if the Mill House area is redeveloped as a by product then who cares?
If it wasn't for Pools being there and bringing £5m into the town a year then there wouldn't be scope anyway. It all hinges on the ground.
The board is named actually, as the into-the-blue board and it's Admin seems to think that everything 'hinges on the ground'. How is that so, given that IOR are contributing nothing. It's the Council who are being left to find the money.
We've had posts on here (HTH) about the 'coffin dodgers' at the bowls club and it was on the bunker that, when a poster spotted that the skateboarders had been ignored, another poster suggested that they use the pavements around the development instead – actually the words used were 'f*c* 'em'. Oh, and let's not forget the 'need to ease off on the football ground and concentrate on the regeneration.' Classic.
So the skateboarders are ignored, the bowling club members are 'coffin dodgers' and the councillors are ........ actually, you can choose from a variety of names used. This is all down to two or three posters? The Bunker has even had to go private because the admin didn't think it was a good idea to let the posts continue in public.
So I'm blinkered? I don't think so. My eyes are wide open just like my jaw is fully dropped at inept campaigners who think the best way to win their case is to insult everyone that they need to to support it. I reckon Steve is right. In the hands of such idiots this really is a dead parrot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vuW6tQ0218)
Quote from: not4me on June 29, 2012, 12: PM
This is all down to two or three posters?
Well that's the only actual evidence that you've presented thus far, so yes it appears to be the case until or unless you can further prove otherwise.
P.S. Is this a new "HTH" tactic, that in addition to just repeating things over and over in the hope that people believe them to be true you have now moved on to typing in big letters to try and make what you say look really important?
What an a*r**o**. So I wrote the post in Word and pasted it onto the board and it appeared in a larger font. Is that the best you can do?
Quote from: not4me on June 29, 2012, 12: PM
What an a*r**o**. So I wrote the post in Word and pasted it onto the board and it appeared in a larger font. Is that the best you can do?
The "best I can do"?
It appears that you've ignored the main point raised in my post above and instead resorted to insults.
I can only assume that this is because you found the relevant point too difficult to deal with. Why not go away and ask somebody what you should type next, or wait until one of your friends comes on here to answer the point for you if you can't manage to do it on your own.
I'm beginning to think the best outcome would be for the football club to move somewhere else provided it takes all the two-dimensional neanderthals like you with it. At least that would improve the quality of the gene pool in Hartlepool and produce long-term benefits for the town.
Quote from: not4me on June 29, 2012, 01: PM
I'm beginning to think the best outcome would be for the football club to move somewhere else provided it takes all the two-dimensional neanderthals like you with it. At least that would improve the quality of the gene pool in Hartlepool and produce long-term benefits for the town.
Wow, that was quite a conclusion that you've jumped to. Congratulations.
Just to keep you in the loop as you obviously haven't read everything I've posted on this board (and to be honest, why should you have?) I'm not a Hartlepool supporter and I'm not totally convinced that the plan should go ahead. Yes, I would like to see it happen if it's realistic as I think that it would be silly to knock back a viable plan just through political spite, but equally I would be a little disappointed if HBC didn't thoroughly investigate all of the pros and cons of the plans before making a decision.
With regards your further insults though I'm afraid I can only mark you as 2 out of 10 for that, it's not big and it's not clever.
Mill House will be redeveloped at some point when the borough council is in a position to find the money but, as has already been pointed out on here, that redevelopment will have nothing to do with the question of whether or not to give the ground away to IOR which is a quite separate issue.
So far, IOR have failed to make a case for being handed the ground for free and I suspect they know this. The attempt to create an artificial link to any development at Mill House is very cynical and I doubt it will fool many councillors.
Quote from: for fawkes sake on June 29, 2012, 01: PM
So far, IOR have failed to make a case for being handed the ground for free...
From this I assume that you were at the private briefing to councillors a week or two ago?
Can you provide any further details as to what the presentation involved and what is in the plans that hasn't yet been published on either the HBC website or in the Mail?
Quote from: Donkey Kong on June 29, 2012, 10: AM
Quote from: steveL on June 29, 2012, 09: AM
Saying that "the truth is out" and "people have already shown themselves..." based on the opinions of two or three people apparently posting opinions on some un-named messageboard is clutching at straws to try and indicate the opinions of anybody in favour of the plan.
Exactly the same point was made on The Bunker. The more level headed members told the others to push the regeneration bits and tone down the 'football' part of the campaign.
It's not only Councillors who go to such meetings. I would say that, in general, the council is aware that Mill House will need to be developed at some stage if only because they were already aware that the swimming pool and bowls club are going to have to be replaced in the near future. In that sense, councillors wish to support any scheme which will help them redevelop the site. I would also say that they thought Mr Green put on a poor show, was unconvincing and unprepared, particularly with regard to how the plans presented would be funded. He failed to provide adequate answers to a number of questions asked.
The council is in great financial difficulty at the moment and is looking for partners who would help finance any redevelopment. IOR are clearly not interested in doing this. As a result, the council has asked for more details on how the scheme will be financed but are expecting this to show that any scheme will depend almost entirely on any grant funding available with the rest being provided by the council itself. HBC have proven themselves quite good at obtaining grant funding but in the present circumstances, this is unlikely to be enough for the scheme to be a viable option and this is likely to remain the position for some time.
Don't waste your time NOT4ME, i can tolerate No6s constant whining but not from Drummonds neanderthal thug friend DONKEY C*CK, let him p*ss off back to the mill house bunker. Incidentally, i support the handing over of the land to IOR free of charge.
Quote from: testicles on June 29, 2012, 01: PM
Don't waste your time NOT4ME, i can tolerate No6s constant whining but not from Drummonds neanderthal thug friend DONKEY C*CK, let him p*ss off back to the mill house bunker. Incidentally, i support the handing over of the land to IOR free of charge.
You're an excitable little man aren't you. ;D
I assume that using language like that you're not a lady. :)
If the residents of the millhouse area get a nice area to live in. the people of Hartlepool get a new leisure centre the bowlers of Hartlepool get a new centre and the football fans get the ground in the name of HUFC not IOR with a sell back cause what is the problem.
the more i read about this project on here it becomes clear that it has nothing to do with the project its all about getting at IOR and the mayor.
Shotly we will have no hospital. leisure centre. bowls club and maybe the football club so we can all be proud of that.
i,m still not sure the partners are in sink on it but give me the project and if that means HUFC getting the ground until they move on so be it.
Quote from: for fawkes sake on June 29, 2012, 01: PM
It's not only Councillors who go to such meetings. I would say that, in general, the council is aware that Mill House will need to be developed at some stage if only because they were already aware that the swimming pool and bowls club are going to have to be replaced in the near future. In that sense, councillors wish to support any scheme which will help them redevelop the site. I would also say that they thought Mr Green put on a poor show, was unconvincing and unprepared, particularly with regard to how the plans presented would be funded. He failed to provide adequate answers to a number of questions asked.
The council is in great financial difficulty at the moment and is looking for partners who would help finance any redevelopment. IOR are clearly not interested in doing this. As a result, the council has asked for more details on how the scheme will be financed but are expecting this to show that any scheme will depend almost entirely on any grant funding available with the rest being provided by the council itself. HBC have proven themselves quite good at obtaining grant funding but in the present circumstances, this is unlikely to be enough for the scheme to be a viable option and this is likely to remain the position for some time.
Interesting.
My main thoughts on the scheme have always revolved around the funding issue and whether or not it is actually a viable scheme rather than an aspirational one.
Hopefully the "more details" that have been requested will throw some light on this when they're revealed.
Quote from: popgoestheweasal. on June 29, 2012, 02: PM
If the residents of the millhouse area get a nice area to live in. the people of Hartlepool get a new leisure centre the bowlers of Hartlepool get a new centre and the football fans get the ground in the name of HUFC not IOR with a sell back cause what is the problem.
the more i read about this project on here it becomes clear that it has nothing to do with the project its all about getting at IOR and the mayor.
Shotly we will have no hospital. leisure centre. bowls club and maybe the football club so we can all be proud of that.
i,m still not sure the partners are in sink on it but give me the project and if that means HUFC getting the ground until they move on so be it.
If the people of Hartlepool get a new swimming pool and bowls centre then it will be because they paid for it. What has that got to do with giving the ground to the football club?
Quote from: testicles on June 29, 2012, 01: PM
Don't waste your time NOT4ME, i can tolerate No6s constant whining but not from Drummonds neanderthal thug friend DONKEY C*CK, let him p*ss off back to the mill house bunker. Incidentally, i support the handing over of the land to IOR free of charge.
oh bugger i am being tolerated, will it hurt and is there any medication or precautions i need to consider :o
meeting tonight at the football ground 7-00 this is the time to go and ask those questions that need asking and put the partners on the spot.
cya there or. :-X