As the Deputy Chairman (Membership) of the local Conservative Association it is my job to manage and increase our membership here in Hartlepool.
Whilst we may have a faithful and now active membership, I am always looking to increase our membership, obviously!
I know and have read that many that use this site do vote Conservative at general elections. I would like to invite those people and anyone else who may be conservative minded to join us. I don't just want you to join us though, I want you to stop complaining about what others are doing and what we aren't doing, but help us shape the local party and get involved with everything we do, especially in your wards.
I could go on to tell you exactly why I would love you to join us but I can do it with a short video that was previewed at Conservative party conference by Conservative Home. Whilst the video may be concerned with obtaining a national majority, it shows the party that we want to build here in Hartlepool, a strong and compassionate party, we can only do that with the help of those residents who are conservative minded and want to make a real difference in your local community.
This is what I firmly believe and it's a belief I hope you can share with me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NDadgeMJAc&sns=em (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NDadgeMJAc&sns=em)
Is it free to join ?
I wonder if Mr Wells decides to join..... :o
I can't afford to be a conservative as a worker pleb.
MY standard of living has plummeted since Cameron was given the reigns to hold.
I had to suffer half an hour in the back of an ambulance with a life threatening condition a week ago because of NHS cut backs.
(Closure of Hartlepool A&E will never be accepted as being for the good of the town.)
My childcare bill has doubled over the last couple of years because of cuts in funding.
I've not had a pay rise since the conservatives (well CONDEMs but we know who is the dominant and submissive in that relationship) came to power and just received
a leaflet from my employer telling me how great the benefits would be if I invested just £100 of my salary in a pension hahahahahaha.
Then you have the local ultra lazy labour council and MP, so it is a bit of a rock and a hard place in terms of the major political parties.
Were doomed I say DOOMED.
Labour closed the hospitals.
I think both parties have helped screw down the coffin lid :(
Quote from: testicles on October 15, 2012, 02: AM
Is it free to join ?
As much as might like it to be I'm afraid not.
Membership costs for 2012/13 are as follows
Single membership = £15
Couple membership = £25
Under 23 years = £5
Further details on membership and my contact information can be found on our website which is linked at the top of HTH as Hartlepool Conservatives.
Quote from: Stig of the Seaton Dump on October 15, 2012, 10: AM
I can't afford to be a conservative as a worker pleb.
MY standard of living has plummeted since Cameron was given the reigns to hold.
I had to suffer half an hour in the back of an ambulance with a life threatening condition a week ago because of NHS cut backs.
(Closure of Hartlepool A&E will never be accepted as being for the good of the town.)
My childcare bill has doubled over the last couple of years because of cuts in funding.
I've not had a pay rise since the conservatives (well CONDEMs but we know who is the dominant and submissive in that relationship) came to power and just received
a leaflet from my employer telling me how great the benefits would be if I invested just £100 of my salary in a pension hahahahahaha.
Then you have the local ultra lazy labour council and MP, so it is a bit of a rock and a hard place in terms of the major political parties.
Were doomed I say DOOMED.
I'm sorry to hear you feel that way Stig. As a blue collar conservative I've found that I've generally benefitted from the changes this government has made. My personal tax allowance has gone up, my wife no longer pays tax on her PT job; planned increases in fuel duty of another 10p per litre have been ditched; manufacturing output is on the rise for the first time in a long time. (Something I see a lot of working in a local forge); inflation is down andinterest rate of my morgage has been kept down because of our AAA credit rating.
Our hospital was scupper end by Labour and when it comes to the so called cuts to the NHS, Labour are full of sh*t! We were and are the only party to state that NHS spending would not be cut but rise under us, something that has and is happening. Look at labour controlled Wales which has seen a huge cut to the budget of the NHS! That £40m the NT&H NHS trust has to 'cut' is not a cut at all. They will get the same money they have always had, the trust have even admitted this though you won't find it reported often. They simply have to spend more of their budget in future on preventing illnesses rather than simply treating them. Something the trust tells us was their plan all along under the Momentum plan.
*Sorry for the slight rant. I get rather passionate about the NHS as I owe an awful lot to it*
All of the above is really national politics and although I'm very interested in it, my posting here was to build a stronger local party by increasing our membership and talents. So Stig you're exactly the type of person we want because I firmly believe we aren't the party of the well off, we are the party of those who want to be better off.
I wonder how many people in the Park ward (or whatever its called now) vote Conservative as a statement of status. "We're Conservatives, don't you know."
I've never really understood the role of a Conservative in Hartlepool over the last few years. When Frank Rogers and the like were around . . . that I could understand.
Quote from: for fawkes sake on October 17, 2012, 11: PM
I've never really understood the role of a Conservative in Hartlepool over the last few years. When Frank Rogers and the like were around . . . that I could understand.
The 'role' of a Conservative in Hartlepool or anywhere has never changed so if you knew what the role was when Mr Rogers was around, you know the role today.
I found out yesterday that I have so much in common with the Conservatives and their values.
When Andrew Mitchell shouted 'out of my way you f###ing pleb' at at a police officer who clearly didn't know his place in the conservative hierarchy he was going to the Carlton Club.
Well how spooky, I used to go to the Carlton Club in Hartlepool and in the back of a Cameron's taxi!
If only I had gone to school at Eton not Seaton I would be a shoe-in for them :-\
Quote from: SRMoore on October 18, 2012, 12: AM
Quote from: for fawkes sake on October 17, 2012, 11: PM
I've never really understood the role of a Conservative in Hartlepool over the last few years. When Frank Rogers and the like were around . . . that I could understand.
The 'role' of a Conservative in Hartlepool or anywhere has never changed so if you knew what the role was when Mr Rogers was around, you know the role today.
I remember Frank Rogers, Doug Ferriday, Steve Close, Brenda Pearson and they were a million miles away from the current Tory Group with HBC. The rot set in with Laffy and Hartlepool Conservatives have continued down hill ever since. I predict by 2014 the tory's will be down to 2 Councillors in Hartlepool.
The role of the 3 individual Tory councillors appears to be quite clear to me. Ray is there to act as the Labour whip; George is there to supply the light entertainment and Vera supplies the Vol-au-Vents. ;)
SRMoor, I appreciate you trying but circumstantially which is what counts to me ....
In the Thatcher years I was stupid to keep a house with a mortgage that went from 30% of family income to 70% of family income.
My standards dropped to dressing myself with clothes from Pound Stretcher. I went from having savings to debts.
In the Condem years, I have not received a pay rise although the international company I work for makes billions and billions ever year.
My mortgage is not a problem this time round but every other regular bill has sky rocketed, so now I am a white collar worker that shops
at Primark for clothes.
I again have gone from having savings to having debts, plus pension contributions have stopped, I have opted out of the 'free' medical insurance
scheme to avoid the tax, child no longer goes to breakfast club, never eat out or even have a take away any more etc. etc.
(Facts not moans)
In other words the fiddling around with the tax system has had no noticeable affect on my life when the Tories have been in power as real world inflation has
crippled me every time they have been in power.
Some of the Tory mantras such as putting more money in your pocket sound good but that has never been delivered.
Until the major parties get out of bed with big companies like Starbucks, Vodaphone, Amazon etc. and collect a respectable amount of tax from them,
then there will be no credibility for the parties at a local or national level.
Okay so I am not going to be a card carrying Conservative, and the local Labourites couldn't organise a p**s up in Camerons (without it costing millions in consultant fees)
so I do think Hartlepool is doomed by it's blindly loyal voters.
I wish there was a Socialist Workers party, with good socialist values targeted at the WORKING class, making the country a better and more attractive place to work for the worker. ....I can dream.
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Quote from: SRMoore on October 18, 2012, 12: AM
Quote from: for fawkes sake on October 17, 2012, 11: PM
I've never really understood the role of a Conservative in Hartlepool over the last few years. When Frank Rogers and the like were around . . . that I could understand.
The 'role' of a Conservative in Hartlepool or anywhere has never changed so if you knew what the role was when Mr Rogers was around, you know the role today.
I remember Frank Rogers, Doug Ferriday, Steve Close, Brenda Pearson and they were a million miles away from the current Tory Group with HBC. The rot set in with Laffy and Hartlepool Conservatives have continued down hill ever since. I predict by 2014 the tory's will be down to 2 Councillors in Hartlepool.
I've read this site enough to remember I'd read this prediction before. A quick search later and it turned out it was you who made it before the May election this year Lord Elpus.
QuoteI think the Tory's in Hartlepool will be reduced to two Councillors after May and they'll still vote with the Labour group.
Whilst I can understand that many people from various backgrounds and for varying reasons may like to see the local Conservative party fall, I can confirm that we are now stronger than we have been for many years. Membership is on the increase and we are 4 times more active than when I first transferred back to the local party. I fully intend to continue this trend and I'll make no apology for it.
Perhaps you can persuade Wells to be a bit more forthcoming over the Manor situation?
Nail your colours to the mast and tell us what you think of the Council's reputation?
Do you believe we have a group of self-interest obsessives running to the town to ruin?
Please expalin why Well's has feck all to say about the situiation.
In plain English you have an open goal to aim at yet 'you' never mention any of the Labour failings in your campaighning.
Seems to me 'you' are more interested in cosy deals where some of the crumbs are thrown your way and you get comitte chairs.
I believe power is the game and you know you will never oust Labour so do backroom deals with them in return for your silence.
If the Labour group are run for the benefit of the ruling four then for sure the Conservative group is there to keep Wells in the limelight.
Ego, ego, ego!
To say that I have not mentioned the peer group findings is not entirely true. Please see my comments in the corresponding topic on this forum.
I don't think there is a sane person in this town who does not believe that our councils reputation is in tatters. I spend a lot of my time travelling around the region and the UK with CF and I'm forever talking this town up and there aren't many occasions when the comment "didn't you elect a monkey as a mayor" isn't brought up.
When it comes to vested interests by certain members I cannot disagree with the Peer group findings at all. I read that a Labour Cllr in Peterlee I believe it was, was recently sacked because a company she owned did a small amount of work for the local authority and she directly benefited from it. Why is this the case with private companies but not CiCs or charities?
I have no doubt that said organisations do provide good services to local residents but it is my personal opinion that you either help those organisations from the sidelines, fundraising etc as a voluntary act whilst a serving cllr or you do it as a paid position from within the organisation but stand down as a cllr so as not to cause a conflict of interest.
The local Labour group do have some very good members, a number of whome I have respect for and consider them as friends. Would I work with them if elected? Yes of course I would! Just as I would work with members of Hartlepool First, Liberal Democrats, UKIP, Greens or Independents if I believed that what we were working on was in the best interest of this town and it's people.
Isn't that what we are all supposed to do?
"I've read this site enough to remember I'd read this prediction before. A quick search later and it turned out it was you who made it before the May election this year Lord Elpus."
Surely with Wells voting with Labour every time, the prediction has turned out to be true - the Torys ARE down to two Councillors.
I believe your right in thinking that councillors should be putting the town first & their party second.
Quote from SRMoore.
When it comes to vested interests by certain members I cannot disagree with the Peer group findings at all. I read that a Labour Cllr in Peterlee I believe it was, was recently sacked because a company she owned did a small amount of work for the local authority and she directly benefited from it. Why is this the case with private companies but not CiCs or charities?
Unless i went deaf, your leader didn`t take up the above point when it was brought up in a question to Full Council last night.
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I have no doubt that said organisations do provide good services to local residents but it is my personal opinion that you either help those organisations from the sidelines, fundraising etc as a voluntary act whilst a serving cllr or you do it as a paid position from within the organisation but stand down as a cllr so as not to cause a conflict of interest.
Is that just your personal opinion or the opinion of your party ???? if the latter, why didn`t your leader speak on the issue when it was brought up in a question to Full Council last night.
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The local Labour group do have some very good members
Again, i think your right, but why don`t they have the courage of their convictions & stand up for the town as opposed to rolling over & being the lap dogs of "the Mob".
We all criticise the electorate for not bothering to vote come election time, but the real criticism should be directed at councillors who sit there & vote for things they don`t personally believe in for the good of their party, or even worse, for the good of themselves.
Wells has obviously decided that, as a minority party, the Tories have to cooperate with Labour in order to gain concessions like a few chairs of Committees. The two parties are, in effect, in coalition just like the the Lib-Dems/Conservatives nationally except Wells is far less open about it.
We would all hope that all Councillors can work together constructively but if the public could see just how close Wells is to the Cabal then I think they would be shocked - the nobs up The Park certainly would.
Quote from: fred c on October 19, 2012, 08: AM
Quote from SRMoore
I have no doubt that said organisations do provide good services to local residents but it is my personal opinion that you either help those organisations from the sidelines, fundraising etc as a voluntary act whilst a serving cllr or you do it as a paid position from within the organisation but stand down as a cllr so as not to cause a conflict of interest.
Is that just your personal opinion or the opinion of your party ???? if the latter, why didn`t your leader speak on the issue when it was brought up in a question to Full Council last night.
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With all due respect Fred, the clue was in the "but it is my personal opinion".
Please refer back to my original post in this topic where I asked for people to help to build a strong, compassionate and conservative local party. I didn't say we were perfect but then no group is by a long way. Aspiration...
i was curious as to how you can express the Opinion of accepting that some councillors are in effect, & i will put it in the vernacular......... "Filling Their Boots" but your leader in the council doesn`t appear to hold the same view as yourself.
Is he awaiting the outcome of the full Peer Group Review before he expresses an opinion, or doesn`t he believe the Interim reports criticism of the council ???? the facts are that the Peer Groups report is an out & out condemnation of the way HBC has been allowed to fall below an acceptable level of Government.
There are numerous examples of the collusion between the Tories & Labour, some of us are puzzled as to why they should cosy up to "The Mob".
As reported in the Hartlepool Mail.
QuoteConservative group leader Ray Wells said: "The Conservative Group welcomes scrutiny from independent outside sources, and we note the initial comments in the interim report and look forward to the final report being produced."
Coun Wells added: "It is difficult to comment on the reputation being damaged because there are no specifics in the interim report but I am aware public confidence was knocked by the pay rise to the former chief executive, the sacking of almost the entire cabinet and the Tall Ships overspend.
"It is my understanding the review team spoke to various groups and individuals, all of whom gave their opinion on the current state of Hartlepool Borough Council.
"The danger with individual perceptions is that if you ask 10 people for their account of a car accident then you are likely to get 10 different descriptions."
Coun Wells, who has "total confidence" in the senior management team, said scrutiny's place is to "question the executive" and hold them to account and urged people to make a complaint if they feel a councillor is not behaving in an appropriate manner.
He added: "To my knowledge, no complaints have been made against members of the Conservative Group."
Coun Wells believed the summary was "fair and balanced" and there was "categorically" no conflict of interest between his group and the voluntary/community sector.
So there you have it straight from the horses mouth. The Conservative group on council welcome independent scrutiny. Perhaps this conversation should carry on in the relevant topic.
Quote from: SRMoore on October 19, 2012, 01: PM
As reported in the Hartlepool Mail.
QuoteConservative group leader Ray Wells said: "The Conservative Group welcomes scrutiny from independent outside sources, and we note the initial comments in the interim report and look forward to the final report being produced."
Coun Wells added: "It is difficult to comment on the reputation being damaged because there are no specifics in the interim report but I am aware public confidence was knocked by the pay rise to the former chief executive, the sacking of almost the entire cabinet and the Tall Ships overspend.
"It is my understanding the review team spoke to various groups and individuals, all of whom gave their opinion on the current state of Hartlepool Borough Council.
"The danger with individual perceptions is that if you ask 10 people for their account of a car accident then you are likely to get 10 different descriptions."
Coun Wells, who has "total confidence" in the senior management team, said scrutiny's place is to "question the executive" and hold them to account and urged people to make a complaint if they feel a councillor is not behaving in an appropriate manner.
He added: "To my knowledge, no complaints have been made against members of the Conservative Group."
Coun Wells believed the summary was "fair and balanced" and there was "categorically" no conflict of interest between his group and the voluntary/community sector.
mmmmmmmm 3 examples in your little C&P, i don`t remember the tories making much of a fuss over any of the items he mentions in the above, did he proposes an amendment to any of the above ????
You may propose an amendment to any proposal, i feel certain that no such proposal was made by your leader on those issues.
You are now deflecting the arguement from one thing to another.
There seem to be a lot of people caught up on Ray lately. You do realise he isn't the only member of the local party right? We do have over 100 other members
There is much that I from the way certain members of Hartlepool First operate within the council. Do I hijack thier/your posts with criticisms of those people whilst ignoring the topic in discussion, turning it into nothing more than a slagging match between two parties? No and demanding change from the sidelines will get you nowhere, you have to be part of the team to change things.
Now if you would like to revert back to the original topic of discussion I'd be glad to hear how you believe we can build a stronger, compassionate Conservative party in Hartlepool.
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dump Mr Wells... when people vote Tory then they should get a Tory
I would remind you that Cllr Wells was democratically relected with the largest share of the vote despite a smear campaign that claimed he wasn't Conservative enough.
claimed?.....he voted with Labour on every vote and his name has appeared on the regional Labour party web site for supporting Labour policy against his own party. If you want to increase the membership of the local Tories then you have to give them a reason to join. As it stands, they may as well keep things simple and join the Labour Party.
I believe the group leader of Hartlepool First was just a few votes behind him too.
As was brought up at the time, most negotiations and decisions are made in the working group and other public meetings. Meetings in which all parties have the opportunity to engage with. If some prefer not to attend these meetings then that's their perogative but you cannot attack the Conservatives for engaging and getting the best of of those negotiations for the people they represent.
That is after all why they were elected.
The Conservatives are in favour of applying a little imagination when it comes to making savings in local Government spending - such as outsourcing services. The outsourcing of ICT and Revenue and Benefits would not only have produced savings of around £11m at a time when the council is facing serious financial difficulty but would have seen Hartlepool become the regional centre for the processing of housing and council tax benefits after 2014. That would have brought 300 brand new jobs to the town and secured the jobs of those currently working in the council's benefits department for at least 5 years.
Labour's fag-packet budget in February scuppered those jobs, created an even more serious financial situation for HBC and effectively gave notice to existing benefits staff that their jobs had only an 18-24 month life span.
Cllr Wells as Leader decided that he and his colleagues would vote with Labour as usual.
Your Tory Party, Shane, is one of coffee mornings, warm beer, cricket matches and flower arranging circles; Mr Wells' Tory Party is no more than an annexe of the Cabal.
There's nowt wrong with warm beer my friend! ;)
Cllr Wells made clear at that budget meeting the we DID support the outsourcing of revs and bens + ICT but we did NOT support doing it at that budget for two reasons.
1. The contract had gone out to a very limited number of selected companies and we would have prefered to see it opened up to more competition.
2. Terminating the current contract early would incur a very large financial penalty on the authority.
We argued that it should be put back out to tender with the intention of implimenting it at the end of the existing contract.
It appears that keeping the 'brand' alive is Well's aim and if that means looking the other way whilst the cabal loot the Civic then so be it.
By doing nothing you are part of the problem.
Read Walker's letter, my friend. The process was already three years in the making - how long do you want to wait for more tenders? The 300 jobs have now gone to Tyneside to authorities that had less of a problem looking a gift horse in the mouth and, as Walker makes clear, outsourcing now is going to come on much less favourable times.
There was no deep analysis on Wells' part in February - he decided to support the cabal and that was as complicated as it got.
You are speculating that the 300 jobs will now go to a neighbouring authority.
Steve, I was present and participated in the [Conservative] executive meetings prior to the vote and WE decided to upon the two reasons I listed above for voting against outsourcing this year.
Remind me... Why didn't Hartlepool First campaign for it to be outsourced to gain 300 jobs? I don't ever remember any of the HF cllrs bringing this up at the time.
Why would they need to campaign? It was in the original budget and they voted for it...your mate didn't.
It does't matter, Shane. You're stuck in a groove of trying to defend the indefensible. If you haven't the sense to realise that Cllr Wells is a dead duck then nothing I say will make a difference - just don't get too many recruitment forms printed.
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. However Cllr Wells is one member of an association of over 100 members and rising. Four more since this posting appeared. It seems people would just like to be asked.
So if you are a conservative voter and you are reading this please know that we would love you to join us and help shape the local party into a strong and compassionate group that champions conservatism in Hartlepool.
so hartlepool has a population of 90,000 and 100 members of the tory party so it sounds to me like you need a heck of a lot of help trying to get enough people to make a difference, personally with them sort of odds i wouldnt bother.
Quote from: SRMoore on October 19, 2012, 04: PM
So if you are a conservative voter and you are reading this please know that we would love you to join us and help shape the local party into a strong and compassionate group that champions conservatism in Hartlepool.
Surely you meant to write
'a strong and compassionate group that champions Hartlepool?
Do the calculations, Shane.
* 300 jobs bringing salaries and oncosts works out at about £7.5m into the local economy annually not to mention reduced unemployment costs
* add the £10/£11m savings made by HBC
* add the additional job security to current benefit staff
Just how high did the upfront costs need to be before before someone could legitimately say that it wasn't worth doing?
Unforgiveable...and until someone in your party has the guts to say so you'll never be more than what you are - an annexe of the Cabal that trades its principles for seats on the Planning Committee so that you can swing it for your mates .
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Quote from: SRMoore on October 19, 2012, 04: PM
So if you are a conservative voter and you are reading this please know that we would love you to join us and help shape the local party into a strong and compassionate group that champions conservatism in Hartlepool.
Surely you meant to write 'a strong and compassionate group that champions Hartlepool?
No, I meant exactly what I said. I champion Hartlepool in everything I do and everywhere I go. I don't need to be party or a political organisation to do that.
I remember the council meeting when they ditched the budget well, the Tory members did exactly the same as the Labour Cabinet members who resigned, Absolutely Bu**er all.
It was a perfect time to state The Tory Case, by them making an amendment to "The Mobs" proposal to ditch the budget, but did Cllr Wells stand up to the parapet & make any such amendment, er er ermmmm , not that i can recall.
The opt out for the ICT department was a classic tory policy that was left on the backburner of "The Mobs" 4 ring hob.
Whoops........ glad i caught that last post.... i don`t doubt you mean well Shane........ but you have a millstone around your neck in council at the moment.
Quote from: steveL on October 19, 2012, 04: PM
Do the calculations, Shane.
* 300 jobs bringing salaries and oncosts works out at about £7.5m into the local economy annually not to mention reduced unemployment costs
* add the £10/£11m savings made by HBC
* add the additional job security to current benefit staff
Just how high did the upfront costs need to be before before someone could legitimately say that it wasn't worth doing?
Unforgiveable...and until someone in your party has the guts to say so you'll never be more than what you are - an annexe of the Cabal that trades its principles for seats on the Planning Committee so that you can swing it for your mates .
Steve, please do explain what exactly elected members of Hartlepool First have done since May? Their attendance is dreadful (especially in planning where Conservative councillors have to pick up the slack each time) and apart from Geoff, nobody else speaks. I have always tried to be pleasant to your members, even going so far as to apologising to Alison after the May elections for not saying hello at the count. Your comments on here are showing that despite inviting me to this forum to engage in debate, you'd rather trow insults and repeat the same old half truths despite me giving evidence to the contrary.
It's obvious that my attemts to engage positively with this forum has rattled the cages of many members of your party. One only has to read the responses and the names by the side of them to realise this. j
300 jobs my ar*e, what a load of tosh, Northgate are already in Wynyard trading.
I have no doubt you mean well but you suffer from a popular affliction.
Believing than the Conservative Party ('your way') is the best solution to our problems leads you to a perverse conclusion-our best interests lie in having Conservatives in power. Ergo any way of keeping Conservatives in positions of power is by definition the ends justifying the means. Doing backroom deals is thus(in your blinkered outlook) a positive action. If bad things have to be done to maintain the illusion (and it is an illusion) of power then they are justified as being in the best interests of Hartlepool.
Dear me, do you really believe that?
Recruit away, Shane - and the Best of British.
Quote from: testicles on October 19, 2012, 06: PM
300 jobs my ar*e, what a load of tosh, Northgate are already in Wynyard trading.
It's only right that you should mention your ar** as you seem to spend most of your time speaking from it.
Again, read Walker's letter. Local Authorities are about to lose their requirement to run the housing and benefits system and it will be more centrally administered and involve companies like Northgate (and others). As the transfer process grows, those companies will be recruiting more staff as they provide their services to more and more local authorities. All of this was included in the HBC negotiations and the 300 extra jobs were guaranteed as a minimum. Those plans also included the re-opening of one of the Garlands buildings as well as another site in Hartlepool.
Quote from: SRMoore on October 19, 2012, 06: PM
It's obvious that my attemts to engage positively with this forum has rattled the cages of many members of your party. One only has to read the responses and the names by the side of them to realise this.
What do you realise about me?
For sure I am not after power/getting my mates elected or any of that bollocks.
Well's looks and acts like a barrow boy from East Enders. I never thought this way about Goodhall or Rogers.
What a load of sh*te.
Quote from: testicles on October 19, 2012, 07: PM
What a load of sh*te.
Eat your hearts out, Ian Hislop and Paul Merton ... looks like you've competition in the wit stakes ...
Quote from: testicles on October 19, 2012, 07: PM
What a load of sh*te.
Don't yer just miss, Father Jack