Sylvia Quits

[Land Phil]

Anybody opposing Labour will need deep pockets to print a thick  election brochure slamming Labour.

Ex Labour councillor in Jail, £2m Jackson's Landing fiasco, carpet gate, Cranneys Granny, 5% Council tax rise, councillors voting themselves free parking, town plan cost and delays, Anderson's bakery, lack of democracy on meetings, lack of a Tees Valley vote etc. etc.

In theory it should be a disaster for Labour but I guess it depends how many nursing homes are in Sylvia's ward. 

[fred c]

We all use the post to vent our spleen........... If there is going to be a by election, it will give us all a chance to do something on a more practical level.

The only time I stood for council it cost me around £400 (money well spent btw) in leaflets, some delivery costs, plus countless hours plodding around Foggy Furze, knocking on doors, skinning knuckles, chatting to people on the doorstep, in the street, outside of schools........ all well worth the effort and something I am very proud to say I have done.

Anyway..... we as a group of 'posters' could offer a suitable candidate some practical help, a contribution to the costs of leaflets, a few hours leafleting the ward, canvassing the residents etc etc.....

Maybe the post could co-ordinate any offers of assistance by its members............. and if, with a lot of effort and some luck, we rid the ward of a LabMob minion, we could all have a couple of pints in the King Johns and take the p**s out of Barcleee.

[jeffh]

We all use the post to vent our spleen........... If there is going to be a by election, it will give us all a chance to do something on a more practical level.

The only time I stood for council it cost me around £400 (money well spent btw) in leaflets, some delivery costs, plus countless hours plodding around Foggy Furze, knocking on doors, skinning knuckles, chatting to people on the doorstep, in the street, outside of schools........ all well worth the effort and something I am very proud to say I have done.

Anyway..... we as a group of 'posters' could offer a suitable candidate some practical help, a contribution to the costs of leaflets, a few hours leafleting the ward, canvassing the residents etc etc.....

Maybe the post could co-ordinate any offers of assistance by its members............. and if, with a lot of effort and some luck, we rid the ward of a LabMob minion, we could all have a couple of pints in the King Johns and take the p**s out of Barcleee.

I would be up for that

[Steely Dan]

Come on chaps. Really?

It's all very well moaning on here (mainly to each other) but I think a smarter approach is needed.

Cards on the table. As I'be mentioned before I'm a Labour Party member. I'm still in my old branch in West Yorkshire as I still have family and business connections down there. But, I'm ashamed of Hartlepool's Labour council and more so the useless MP. I'd love to see the back of Wright and a number of. Ouncillors even though I'm in the same party. If a card carrying Labour member thinks that, what must the public think.

But they keep getting in. Now I know exactly why that is but do people on here? The blind hatred on here for all things Labour is clouding your judgement.

I'm sure I'll get slated for this post but the evidence backs me up.

[testing times]

Now I know exactly why that is but do people on here?

Do enlighten us

[jeffh]

Come on chaps. Really?

It's all very well moaning on here (mainly to each other) but I think a smarter approach is needed.

Cards on the table. As I'be mentioned before I'm a Labour Party member. I'm still in my old branch in West Yorkshire as I still have family and business connections down there. But, I'm ashamed of Hartlepool's Labour council and more so the useless MP. I'd love to see the back of Wright and a number of. Ouncillors even though I'm in the same party. If a card carrying Labour member thinks that, what must the public think.

But they keep getting in. Now I know exactly why that is but do people on here? The blind hatred on here for all things Labour is clouding your judgement.

I'm sure I'll get slated for this post but the evidence backs me up.

But what you say isn't true in Headland & Harbour - the last two elections have seen Labour ousted by UKIP - with UKIP having an increased majority last time round.  As I said in a previous post we need to make sure the Labour opposition vote isn't divided.  Other posters have said UKIP won't stand down, so the obvious solution is back an Independent candidate in a way that Fred suggests.

[Land Phil]

I know a few people on the Headland that voted UKIP for change and are disillusioned now UKIP have delivered nothing visible.
I wonder how common that feeling is. 

[jeffh]

I know a few people on the Headland that voted UKIP for change and are disillusioned now UKIP have delivered nothing visible.
I wonder how common that feeling is.

I think it will be more common than UKIP dare to believe, so we need to ensure that the vote doesn't go back to Labour.  Personally, being in the Headland & Harbour Ward,I have been very disappointed by UKIP's lack of action - they seem to think that successfully applying the constitution to the make up of the Audit & Governance Committee was a victory - it was disgraceful how that ended up going to council when all that was asked for was the correct application of the constitution.  It was only because there wasn't another conservative councillor on the committee that UKIP were allowed to take the deputy chair.  Come on UKIP grow some b***s

[Steely Dan]

Now I know exactly why that is but do people on here?

Do enlighten us

Sure. IMHO it's not enough to constantly criticise the council and highlight their shortcomings. People who vote - and they're precious few - already know what's wrong. They want to be given an example of how it could be better.

UKIP locally have conned people and will be punished. Coun Riddle tried it with PHF but didn't have enough godood candidates. Some were bloody awful.

The corrupt Labour stranglehold can be beaten but not with constant negativity. Offer people something worth voting for.

Grabs tin hat.

[jeffh]

Now I know exactly why that is but do people on here?

Do enlighten us

Sure. IMHO it's not enough to constantly criticise the council and highlight their shortcomings. People who vote - and they're precious few - already know what's wrong. They want to be given an example of how it could be better.

UKIP locally have conned people and will be punished. Coun Riddle tried it with PHF but didn't have enough godood candidates. Some were bloody awful.

The corrupt Labour stranglehold can be beaten but not with constant negativity. Offer people something worth voting for.

Grabs tin hat.

The only party that has a Local Manifesto is PHF. I brought this up a while ago and even though UKIP purport to having one, I'm yet to see it.  For me anybody who stands needs to be demonstrating how they can improve matters locally and, yes, some of that would be around what's wrong with the current regime but a lot could be how to make things better.  Posters mention the Nolan principles - isn't that start?

[steveL]

I find the position of UKIP quite interesting. Half of their six councillors are embarrassed by the other half and at least two jumped on the UKIP bandwagon simply to ride the UKIP bubble to improve their chances of getting elected - correctly as it turns out.

Shane would probably make a decent councillor under any banner - and let's face it, he's tried most of them  but lining yourself up with the likes of Springer and Hind was perhaps a compromise too far.

Tim Fleming was one of only 2 opposition councillors (both UKIP) to vote for the full 4.9% council tax rise - by mistake, I suspect because he seemed to be barely conscious when the vote was called. Tennant seems reasonably intelligent but he's a party man - ex Brussels, no less. His focus is on 'the bigger UKIP picture' with little interest in or understanding of local matters.

. . . and then there's the national picture where UKIP seem to be in a perpetual process of disintegration. Their new leader, Nuttal made a right prat of himself during the Stoke by-election and has now acquired a damaging reputation as a fantasist. At the top, UKIP to be just a party of competing egos unable to get along with each other. I can see Farage and Banks setting up a new UKIP2 party at some stage.

A collapse in UKIP support appears to be inevitable; the question is when will it make its way down to Hartlepool and what will that leave us with when it happens. To a large extend the existing support for UKIP is an indication of the level of disillusionment with Labour.

[fred c]

This isn't about Labour........ it is about what passes for Labour in Hartlepool, an awful lot of people who post on here could be considered to be 'fallen labour voter's......unfortunately the shower of s***e who rule the roost in this town bear no resemblance to the labour party many of us have voted for in years past.

Your supposition that people who vote already know what's wrong is totally misguided, I will cite you just 1 example........ shortly before the by election that was caused by WILCOX getting rumbled, I canvassed residents at Paddy's shops...... within 30 yards of Manor Residents.................... I must have chatted to 30 or more people, every one of them said they would vote Labour, we ended up with Barcleeeee.......... that was despite my mentioning the misappropriation of council tax payers money by Wilcox.

If you want a broader example........... How many people even know about the election of a Tees Valley Mayor.

[steveL]

I don't think the current Labour group have much connection with what I would loosely called 'socialism'. The brand has been hijacked in Hartlepool. It's always dangerous to generalise though. I can think of a few that would qualify as genuine socialists but then I also think that those same few should be the first in the queue to object to carpetbaggers like the SCABS and Cranney who see the labour tag as little more than a meal ticket.

[fred c]

There a good labour councillors..... but until they stand up and reclaim their party from the caretbaggers, they can only be lumped together with them.

They need to invest in a collective spine and speak out....i won't hold my breath.

[mk1]

I find the position of UKIP quite interesting. Half of their six councillors are embarrassed by the other half and at least two jumped on the UKIP bandwagon simply to ride the UKIP bubble to improve their chances of getting elected - correctly as it turns out.

Substitute 'Labour' for UKIP' and it still works.  Shows how quickly UKIP have assumed the mantle of your standard political party run by chancers and half-wits.