Where's Ray?.

[jawsbbc]

 G T Its because you have no evidence whatsoever, its just fishwives chattering. REALLY SO CAB CAB CRANNEY JAMES WELLS ARE NOT CORRUPT thought you been a ex journalist would know better

[The Great Dictator]

Shepherd/Jaws, there is no evidence of being on the take other than rumour, if there was the Police would investigate.

Present some evidence how we can prove it.

[Land Phil]

circumstantial facts have given us an awful lot of smoke.
It would be most odd if none of the smoke was produced by fire.

[fred c]

If we had a prpoer police service you could be right GD....unfortunately we have Cleveland Police looking after the law & order in Hartlepool, the track record of that particular organisation is appalling, as recent events only confirm.

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/search?query=Cleveland+police&p=header

[steveL]

Shepherd/Jaws, there is no evidence of being on the take other than rumour, if there was the Police would investigate.

Present some evidence how we can prove it.

Cleveland Police is a basket case and should have been disbanded years ago. You only have to look at the symbiotic relationship between McLuckie and Sean Price to see that. For years its been a soap opera of malpractice.

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/features/15005547.Cleveland_Police___a_force_that_s_run_out_of_trust/?ref=rl&lp=4

[mk1]

Cleveland Police is a basket case and should have been disbanded years ago. You only have to look at the symbiotic relationship between McLuckie and Sean Price to see that. For years its been a soap opera of malpractice.

Our own ex-Mayor (Dumbo) showed just how far out of touch you can get when he led the Police Committee to issue a statement articulating their full support for and confidence in McKlukie when had to step down due to his arrest.
The current Police Commissioner has been photographed many times with the current Labour mob and he is a close personal friend of many of them.
One  former PHF councillor was arrested and held in the cells for several hours on nothing more than an unfounded accusation by a disgusting individual nicknamed 'Mad Dog'
Anyone who thinks Cleveland police will act without outside intervention is deluded.

[jawsbbc]

GT as MK 1 SAID  they all in it together and yes mk 1 you are right some of the councilors are very GOOD friends with The current Police Commissioner   

[Shepherd]

JAWSBBC, that friendship could be their undoing, they all know what they are all up to, if you can get enough evidence to nail one, the others, those lionhearted servants of the people, will shop each other at the drop of a hat. The thing is you need to bag a big fish. Fat Angie was thrown to the wolves because she was relatively new, was thick as Pig Sh1t and as disposable as a tampon.

Like I said earlier, there must be people on here who have files on the wrong doings. Why not put it together into a formal complaint. If Clevelenad Police choose to do nothing, it becomes a matter of a complaint, if the complaint is ignored then it becomes a IPCC matter and then, the clowns in Cleveland will have it taken out of their hands and who knows, if it gets big enough and, we are talkiing about £millions of taxpayers money being taken and pocketed by "legal means", thats big; bribary and corruption and money in bank accounts that could not have a hope in hell of surviving a forensic accountants attention, then the dominos will fall and a few others will be seeing the inside of Holme House and not on a visitors basis.

SteveL and MK1, Fredc, LordElphus, you guys seem very well informed. Do you have enough to put a complaint together, because TGT is correct, without evidence its all froth and bubbles. If we dont do something about it the same accusations will be flying in 5 years time and the guilty will have pocketed a fortune. Get it on paper, see who is the most vulnerable, and simply get them by legal means!

[The Great Dictator]

The police took on the Wilcox case and won because they had tangible evidence for the prosecution, the old BROWN ENVELOPE chestnut just doesn't work, it's all supposition without witnesses and evidence.

[mk1]

The police took on the Wilcox case and won because they had tangible evidence for the prosecution, the old BROWN ENVELOPE chestnut just doesn't work, it's all supposition without witnesses and evidence.

The Council knew Wilcox was stealing money but they left her in position for several more months  as part of an unofficial deal where she was given time to  hide/liquidate as much as possible and her 'partner' got rid of all the paperwork linking him to Angie. 

[Shepherd]

When Wicox was given £640k outside of council procedures by one other councillor the rules were broken. Out of interest I cannot see the future but a blind man could see the fraud coming a country mile away.

When contracts are awarded to organisations freshly set up to milk the system and put money into the pockets of sitting councilors when the required accounts for the previous 3 years are not there, rules are being broken.

Now I know very little compared to some on here, who must have chapter and verse accounts of these activities and exactly what rules have been broken.

The police went after Wilcox because there were complaints, they did not do so on their own inititive, why they turned a blind eye to the trustees, the other partner in crime (literally) and those in senior officer positions in the council, who allowed the fraud to continue beggars belief.

TGD is correct, without evidence nothing is going to happen. However, the police are obliged to investigate every complaint (I know don't laugh, the very idea of Cleveland police having a Sherlock in their ranks is ludicruis, "plods are us", is much more likely) and the current mob have their dabs on all sorts of dodgy dealing, they must have left trails; or even the stuff they do in plain view. I saw on another thread where half truths and outright lies were allegedly told at a councill meeting. If these are documented and a complaint is made, even if there are 50 allegations (that are credible), the police have to investigate them all or show why they will not, if its a cover up, then it IPCC time.

Either a co-ordinated push is made to expose the crooks is made or this site shuts down because it will not achieve anything if it does not go on the front foot and try and root these people right out. DRiddle, Riddler5, Marky and others named earlier, you have info, why not try and put it together?

[beanzontoast]

it`s all quite simple really im` surprised you haven`t thought of it, the Labour party support mass immigration, why because traditionally they vote for the Labour party no surprise there then, the Labour party have always been the champion of the public sector, the public sector includes the Police, the teaching profession, social services,universities, the judiciary, the NHS, the BBC, charities.I`m sure you get the picture.

[fred c]

ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION......... CALLING JOHN TENNANT............ You need to contact a Trauma Consultation & get him round to Tom Hinds house ASAP......... he is in grave danger of choking to death due to the fact he has BOTH FEET lodged firmly in his mouth, there is also the danger of him spewing out CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

[beanzontoast]

Fred C one ATTENTION  is fine, to make a point,you mention conspiracy theories what, ME. Not so didn`t lord Elpus say he had nothing against Labour in a recent comment, what does that statement say to you exactly, another comment said if you had any proof re Martin Wells prove it in court, the mention fishwives is illuminating if you lot have proof of any wrongdoing file a court case against the group or individual.My last thread only alluded to the Labour party is nothing more than a protection racket. If not whats the betting the tragic case of Angela Wrightson will turn out to be LESSONS LEARNT, and then we go back to the future and the child grooming gangs, another Labour controlled council,who put votes over morality.

[kevplumb]

If not whats the betting the tragic case of Angela Wrightson will turn out to be LESSONS LEARNT, and then we go back to the future and the child grooming gangs, another Labour controlled council,who put votes over morality.

that's not a bet beanz that's an odds on certainty