The Labour/Tory Coalition in Action

[Hartlepudlion]

It appears that many people on this post don't appreciate how organisations are run. You have a Chair, a board or committee which usually includes the Secretary, the Treasury etc. it is these people who make the decisions and we erks carry them out. Political parties are not different. It is unfortunate when one person takes on the majority of these responsibilities and thus dictates policy. This is the case with the Conservatives as Ray Wells holds the positions that most matter. So Shane is correct when he says that it has nothing to do with him. I believe Shane when he says that he has opposed RW on many issues but he has been ignored and RW does his thing. So, if you want to ask questions about the Tories I suggest you direct them to RW.

The Labour Party operate in a similar manner to the Tories but have more to share the same song.

I don't know about PHF but, as they don't seem to have any cohesion, are they a party or just a collection of individuals? Having said that I think they are the only ones who can break Labour's grasp so, on Thursday, vote PHF

This is a problem when a person or faction dominates a political party. Only the voters can do something about it.

[for fawkes sake]

Surely not.
The internal structure of the local Conservative Association must be a matter for them and not for the general electorate. As I understand it, Ray Wells is not the Chairman of that association, he is simply the Leader of the three elected Councillors. It must therefore be up to the local association to exert its authority and insist that its candidates in elections at the very least, support Conservative policies. I could perhaps understand it if Councillor Wells occasionally found himself at odds with his own party's policy but such is the consistency of his support for Labour there is clearly something much bigger at play here.

[Mr Mister]

It appears that many people on this post don't appreciate how organisations are run. You have a Chair, a board or committee which usually includes the Secretary, the Treasury etc. it is these people who make the decisions and we erks carry them out. Political parties are not different. It is unfortunate when one person takes on the majority of these responsibilities and thus dictates policy. This is the case with the Conservatives as Ray Wells holds the positions that most matter. So Shane is correct when he says that it has nothing to do with him. I believe Shane when he says that he has opposed RW on many issues but he has been ignored and RW does his thing. So, if you want to ask questions about the Tories I suggest you direct them to RW.

The Labour Party operate in a similar manner to the Tories but have more to share the same song.

I don't know about PHF but, as they don't seem to have any cohesion, are they a party or just a collection of individuals? Having said that I think they are the only ones who can break Labour's grasp so, on Thursday, vote PHF

This is a problem when a person or faction dominates a political party. Only the voters can do something about it.

You know, you had me there, hook, line and sinker for a while, I agreed with every word, until you had your David Riddle moment at the end of your post.

PHF The 4th emergency service bit, it's Monday moning, it's going to be a long week in politics but, your light hearted humour brightened my day up..lol ..

PHF Couldn't change a light bulb! FACT!

[DRiddle]

Don't you get bored trolling all the time Fraser? Isn't 'Heir Hunters' on tele round about now? 

[ARC86]

Im pleased you have finally accepted shanes version of the story regarding wells expenses

Why are PHF focusing there efforts on the tories instead of Labour.. it would appear that Labour has got the length of this by election spot on.. such a long campaign is taking its toll on PHF and they are now struggling to come up with any new material to attack Labour.. surely they have something big up their sleeves for the final push any decent party worth its salt does.

i think PHF need to elect a whip pretty fast or somebody who can keep their rank and file in order.. petty name calling does you no favours Steve! It makes everything else youve posted irrelevant on this thread

Mr Brownbridge also taught me at High Tunstall but he was my geography teacher.. pity he didnt teach you as he would gladly tell you where Owton Manor is and that is where your focus should be

[mk1]

Why are PHF focusing there efforts on the tories instead of Labour.. it would appear that Labour has got the length of this by election spot on.. such a long campaign is taking its toll on PHF and they are now struggling to come up with any new material to attack Labour.. surely they have something big up their sleeves for the final push any decent party worth its salt does.

Thus site is nothing to do with PHF.
PHF members post here but then so do Labour people.
The site speaks as much for PHF as it does for Labour, Tory or UKIP.
True there are more PHF supporters posting than the other Parties but that is a reflection of the low standing of the self-enriching elites that run Lab/LabCon /UKIP (straight con)
What strikes me is the concerted effort by Lab/Labcon/UKIP (Straight con)  placemen to rubbish PHF,. They must be really scared.

and that is where your focus should be

Oh you are here to 'focus' for sure. However I suggest you 'foc' off!

[ARC86]

Haha of course im planted here to dumb down PHF.. im pretty much in the same boat as other disgruntled Labour people on here.. i dont think anybody truly understands what PHF stand for, apart from being a Labour attack dog I havent heard one policy to make me switch over to PHF and that is simply because they dont have any as they make it up as they go along

[mk1]

I havent heard one policy to make me switch over to PHF and that is simply because they dont have any as they make it up as they go along

Then don't vote or vote Labour and keep the present chaos.

I am struggling to understand your logic here.
The reality is anyone is better than Labour in Manor.
You can have a table of less liked groups but any objective person would put Labour at the bottom of the heap.
In effect not voting for an alternative is a plus  for Labour and no other party.

Methinks you are still willing to give Labour chance.

[DRiddle]

ARC, genuine question. What would you say are the major polices of the Labour or Conservative groups at local level?

Keep in mind that elected councillors are there to reflect and facilitate (via their officers) the wishes of the electorate..... not to tell us what we want ignoring us and their officers.

[ARC86]

Mk1 im waiting to be won over until that happens il stick with what i know or not bother to vote at all.. i do continue to pay my subscription at national level as i believe come 2015 EM will offer an alternative to the current coalition.. i voted twice for EM as leader through my subs and through thebunion im a shop steward for.

David im a frustrated socialist just like your good self.. my ideals are not suited to current Labour regime.. i lobbied against the committee system to no avail but thats democracy so we just have to get over the fact we no longer elect a mayor.. i totally understand the frustration and the furore over MRA but what else are PHF offering Owton Manor except a change of councillor.. i cant support PHF right now because there appears to be no structure.. as you have said you can vote however you like if a PHF councillor but if PHF were the majority on PHF without whipping it makes the party look divided

[DRiddle]

ARC, I had reservations too. I spent around 6 months trying to suss out exactly what the agenda was with PHF as well as forming my own opinions on other councillors. I had serious reservations when there was allegations it was basically UKIP under a different banner.

However, I've taken the time to form my own opinions regarding the motives of the party. I speak for nobody but me, but in my view the whole PHF thing has came about because of the frustration with those that profess to be socialists at local level that you speak of.

I agree it needs a some work on the structure, voting patterns, as well as other issues. But overall all I saw as an outsider looking in (prior to joining) was PHF councillors/members/supporters were the only ones doing anything to try and address certain issues.

I made a living for a while from psychology. This video which has been posted on here before explains how I think PHF will grow better than I can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbaemWIljeQ

The party just needs more people to 'start dancing'.

[ARC86]

Very interesting video i think leadership is key in any movement until a megalomaniac comes along and takes over.. im gonna sit on the fence a while longer though.. but i do realise the only way to instigate change is to act on your beliefs

[mk1]

i voted twice for EM as leader through my subs and through thebunion im a shop steward for.

Don't want to give too much away I had the 'honour' of taking the little fellow round an establishment when he was up for election.................

[ARC86]

I may have this totally wrong and dont expect an answer but reading that comment says to me you work for nissan and are a union rep.. my judgement is terrible lately lol

[Hartlepudlion]

I have to agree with arc86 why are you, PHF, attacking the Tories when Labour is the foe. You should be trying to work with them and, who knows, form a PHFCon coalition. THAT would get Labour worried. After all Churchill recognised that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.