The Labour/Tory Coalition in Action

Hartlepudlion · August 11, 2013, 08: PM

Stevel : it might have been better to kick the cat. All a bit OTT. Fight this another day if you want but you're just letting yourself get diverted from the main issue at the moment:- MR and the by-election

DRiddle · August 11, 2013, 09: PM

To be fair to Shane, tories are always saying stupid things. Before the election various politicians predicted rioting on the streets if the conservatives got in an pushed through the kind of austerity measures it was likely they would. David Cameron dismissed that idea as "Rather a silly thing to say" and claimed it wouldn't happen.

I think there was a bit of trouble in London not long after that...

Private Fraser · August 11, 2013, 09: PM

Quote from: steveL on August 11, 2013, 08: PM
Quote from: Private Fraser on August 11, 2013, 08: PM
Spot on SteveL (Although the shithead remark may be stronging it a bit). I know of two other people who have been threatened by Kim Jong Wells over remarks that were much less inflammatory than those stated many times on this site. I also know of several people who packed in their association with the Conservatives in Hartlepool as soon as he was elected in West Park a few years ago. They resigned/ended their support because they knew what he was upto. "I'm alright Jack, pull the ladder up", that's his only message.

It's a fairly odd situation for me that I, a long-term socialist until the local labour lot put me off the whole philosophy, find myself shouting the case for the local Tories to be properly represented in the council chamber and against people like Shane who really ought to be doing the same.

(you're probably right about the 'shithead' bit but it saved me from kicking the cat.)

Weirdly I find myself in a similar situation however being a former long term Tory supporter until I witnessed their unprofessional efforts at a previous election campaign and the current Labour outfit who seem more adept at lining their own pockets than the Tories! The whole world is upside down, long live the revolution.

My best wishes to the cat by the way, glad it dodged a size ten.

Mr Mister · August 11, 2013, 11: PM

Labour have another leaflet coming out this week, regarding their services to the Manor, over the gypsy site.

I think it was mentioned on here today, so it might have already come out.

SRMoore · August 12, 2013, 07: AM

Quote from: steveL on August 11, 2013, 08: PM
Listen shithead. Your beloved Ray confines himself to making personal threats against me to others. Does that sound like someone who deserves the title Councillor? And as long as you go on defending him you're peas out of the same rotten pod to me.

No, you listen to me. Whatever your gripe is with Ray Wells it is between you and him, not me. If he has threatened you as you claim I suggest you report it. You you can F and blind all you like and continue to try and turn every discussion we have into a tit-for-tat over him but I won't play along. I'll continue to call BS on you when I see fit and, no doubt, you'll continue to come back with "but but but Ray Wells isn't a real Tory" and petty name calling instead of engaging in discussion but it won't make the questions go away.

tankerville · August 12, 2013, 07: AM

This is getting out of hand gentlemen the discussion is about Manor By-Election not petty schoolboy squabbling in the yard at play time.

Now behave yourselves.

Or you will both be put on the naughty chair.

TSteels · August 12, 2013, 07: AM

No, no, no Shane. You aren't getting away with that. If you are the PPC for the Tories in Hartlepool then as a voter I'm going to demand you answer for the conduct of the Tory leader in the town.

If you are gonna call Iain Wright on Labour corruption in Hartlepool (courtesy of the SCABS) then you can't expect to hold the "Ray is nothing to do with me" line. The fact that you are attempting to do that says it all really.

Shane - call for his head. It's the right thing to do and will win you votes!

SRMoore · August 12, 2013, 08: AM

Quote from: TSteels on August 12, 2013, 07: AM
No, no, no Shane. You aren't getting away with that. If you are the PPC for the Tories in Hartlepool then as a voter I'm going to demand you answer for the conduct of the Tory leader in the town.

I believe I have on numerous occasions. Unfortunately it is ignored as it's far easier and more convenient for some people to simply claim I'm 'defending the indefensible'.

Quote from: TSteels on August 12, 2013, 07: AM
If you are gonna call Iain Wright on Labour corruption in Hartlepool (courtesy of the SCABS) then you can't expect to hold the "Ray is nothing to do with me" line. The fact that you are attempting to do that says it all really.

I've never once said "Ray is nothing to do with me" so please refrain from putting words into my mouth. I stated that whatever personal grievance SteveL may have with Ray is between the two of them, not me.

Quote from: TSteels on August 12, 2013, 07: AM
Shane - call for his head. It's the right thing to do and will win you votes!

I'll answer that but I'd first like to hear how you imagine that would pan out and what you believe it would actually achieve?

brassed off monkey · August 12, 2013, 08: AM

Quote from: TSteels on August 12, 2013, 07: AM
No, no, no Shane. You aren't getting away with that. If you are the PPC for the Tories in Hartlepool then as a voter I'm going to demand you answer for the conduct of the Tory leader in the town.

If you are gonna call Iain Wright on Labour corruption in Hartlepool (courtesy of the SCABS) then you can't expect to hold the "Ray is nothing to do with me" line. The fact that you are attempting to do that says it all really.

Shane - call for his head. It's the right thing to do and will win you votes!

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As the Prospective Parliamentary Candidate for the Conservative Party in 2015 Shane really needs to "Out" Wells to Central Office for his bizzare suppport of Labour in Hartlepool.

He makes a point of bringing Labours National policies into discusions on a regular basis, so it would be a good idea for him hold his local leader to account for not following Conservative doctrine.

He really does need to end his sycophantic support for Wells over this issue, & his ridicules assertions to ring or email Wells are a smokescreen for his own lack of positive action in dealing with the leaderships decisions within the Hartlepool council chamber

SRMoore · August 12, 2013, 08: AM

Quote from: brassed off monkey on August 12, 2013, 08: AM

He really does need to end his sycophantic support for Wells over this issue, & his ridicules assertions to ring or email Wells are a smokescreen for his own lack of positive action in dealing with the leaderships decisions within the Hartlepool council chamber

The sad fact is that you and others don't see or hear of the 'positive action' I make because I don't do it then run to the Mail bigging myself up afterwards.

The conservative contribution to the last full council meeting would, in all likelihood, have gone a different way without a certain amount of 'positive action'.

TSteels · August 12, 2013, 08: AM

How will it pan out?

1. A big giant spot-light will be placed on Ray and his support of the Labour Party.
2. Tory Party members will rally behind you and demand answers of him.
3. Ordinary Tory voters will shout "hurrah" - finally someone worth supporting!
4. You will be seen as a standard bearer for Hartlepool people sick and tired of this council.
5. Ray will be forced to move away from the SCABs.

Think about this Shane the council is currently 18-14 to Labour. 2-3 losses between now and the general election and the Tories will hold the balance of power. As things stand Ray will prop up Labour. Tories keep Labour in power and your chances of electoral success are zilch!

Unless you act now!

Mr Mister · August 12, 2013, 09: AM

Quote from: TSteels on August 12, 2013, 08: AM
How will it pan out?

1. A big giant spot-light will be placed on Ray and his support of the Labour Party.
2. Tory Party members will rally behind you and demand answers of him.
3. Ordinary Tory voters will shout "hurrah" - finally someone worth supporting!
4. You will be seen as a standard bearer for Hartlepool people sick and tired of this council.
5. Ray will be forced to move away from the SCABs.

Think about this Shane the council is currently 18-14 to Labour. 2-3 losses between now and the general election and the Tories will hold the balance of power. As things stand Ray will prop up Labour. Tories keep Labour in power and your chances of electoral success are zilch!

Unless you act now!

You're clearly out of your nut!

marky · August 12, 2013, 09: AM

Interesting spat but what's this got to do with the by-election? OK there was that leaflet the Conservatives put out but there's another thread dealing with the tory/labour coalition so shouldn't all this be in that one?

The Great Dictator · August 12, 2013, 10: AM

I don't think anyone needs to remind Shane of his obligations, he knows full well the consequences of his actions.

for fawkes sake · August 12, 2013, 10: AM

I really don't see this as an issue for anyone beyond Rural West as the Tories are largely an irrelevance in Hartlepool. Their main political significance within the council comes from their peculiar and unquestioning support for the local labour group and the few crumbs they are thrown as a reward.

Eventually, the West Rural Tories will call time on the cuckoo Councillor Wells and rekindle their role as opposition councillors.