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How many charities have they set up in this town?
How much a year do they cost us?
Why do we need them?
Why were they given Rockhaven or whatever it is called free of charge?
I can answer one of your questions..
Why do we need them ?
Because no one else would employ as many Labour Councillors/cronies/assorted families!
AT IT AGAIN,
How many Councillors are managed by HVDA - 1
that is 1 out of 34, big deal.
LLTA - OH OF COURSE, HE MUST HAVE.
Sorry didn't realise - if you want to see conspiracy, intrigue and corruption on every corner - good luck to you.
As for selling you a second hand car, I would rather burn it.
LLTA - Your own bias holds no bounds.
I would wind you neck in and go to bed if I were you.
Cos your not above a bit of thuggery and corruption yourself from what I hear.
I am involved with three town charities. One predates HVDA, the other two were inaugarated with significant help from them. Their assistance was invaluable.
Most charities are to help the aged or disabled etc.
It allows then to apply for funding in different places.
LLTA isn't a thug he just looks like one :-*
LlTa is right, this town is awash with 'charities'. ::)
Didn't HTH publish a list of charities on this site a while ago?
Can anyone find it and republish....maybe we could also find out who runs them, has relatives in them and who gets paid what from them? :-X
I suspect a lot of the 'same old names' would feature quite often. :P
People think that because the word 'charity' is used it must be ok.
There are hundreds of examples of where this isn't so but one that springs immediately to mind is the clothing con 'charity'.
That is where you give away your old clothes to be recycled and the money raised goes to the poor of Africa/Romania/Albania. Except it doesn't. :(
The collecting company takes 95% for 'admin', 'staff wages' and 'overheads' and the remaining 5% is given to the 'charity'. >:(
So, just because it says 'charity' it doesn't necessarily have all of the connotations a charity should have.
Yes you are right, there are good charities and bad charities.
Just like any other section of society.
The majority however, do the right thing by those they try to help.
So lets not chuck the baby out with the bathwater.
Our elderly and disabled of all ages rely on some of these organisations.
Quote from: Straight Talking on May 23, 2012, 10: AM
Yes you are right, there are good charities and bad charities.
Just like any other section of society.
The majority however, do the right thing by those they try to help.
So lets not chuck the baby out with the bathwater.
Our elderly and disabled of all ages rely on some of these organisations.
I agree. Maybe there should be a legal redefinition of the word "charity" to stop some of the rogue ones from using that title to mislead people?
HVDA may be worth it's weight in gold but that does not mean it is right that it is given property in an underhand way.
Self serving, not for profit and real charity are a million miles apart.
Signing gift aid to visit the multi-millionaire landed gentry's back garden isn't the same as sending humanitarian aid to a disaster zone.
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Hartlepool Voluntary Development Agency is a registered charity (1098248) and registered company (04682579)
From HVDA website.
"I agree. Maybe there should be a legal redefinition of the word "charity" to stop some of the rogue ones from using that title to mislead people? "
Agree. Did you know that Eton School is a registered charity and benefits from the tax breaks that charitable status brings.
All of the above charities should have to declare the salaries of anyone who takes one before they can be considered for a grant.
10 years ago the Trincomalee got a £50k donation even though the manager still earned £43,000.
Do all of these groups get funding from HVDA or from the council? Or are they just the ones that have been helped by HVDA to access funding from various sources?
I wonder how many of those groups are active and what percentage are in receipt of public money.
Some of the more well known ones don't just look to the council for funding, and lots of them don't just get grant funding that is normally monitored with a very light touch, many of the smaller ones don't get any public money but have to exist as groups for insurance purposes etc.
There would be nothing stopping High Tax Hartlepool, or PHF registering as a charitable/voluntary group if they had a defined purpose, in fact for PHF that route could be a good one to try alongside the political party.
I also wonder how many of these groups are directly supported by HVDA, and indeed what relevance HVDA itself has in a town like Hartlepool.
Quote from: testicles on May 23, 2012, 02: PM
All of the above charities should have to declare the salaries of anyone who takes one before they can be considered for a grant.
10 years ago the Trincomalee got a £50k donation even though the manager still earned £43,000.
Without knowing the facts around their accounts at the time and the other income they had it would be unfair to criticise that in isolation, if the only income was £50k and £43k was paid to one person it would be dodgy.
The income was considerably more than 50k.
Most of those charities don't even apply for funding, most will have subscriptions and race nights.
What a miserable lot some of you are! It is difficult to pick many organisations from the list (apart from the schools and churches) that, if they did not exist, the town would be diminished. I have passing aquaintence with quite a few of them and none of them take any public money at all. They pay their own way with hard work, dedication and fundraising.
Every town and city in the country will have a similar list of charities (it is not the full list of local charitable organisations) and not having them would cost local and national governments billions.
Yes, the Charities Commission should crack down on the fake charities, schools and churches.
Edit: Of course the schools should exist, and the people can have their churches - just not as charities.
The mistake being made is to assume the aim is to fund good causes when in reality it is a private job club/funding source for the well connected Councillor and family class.
I think the shame is that a great number of very laudable charities find themselves being painted with the same brush because of the self-enriching activities of a small minority. It's a trap we musn't fall into because there are many, many people who give their time freely for the benefit of others.
Of course, it's exactly because this is true that the behaviour of the minority is so contemptible.
Quote from: LookslikeTORYagain on May 24, 2012, 04: PM
Isn't this the true meaning of charity?
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/local/bikers-rev-up-600-1-4578683
Well said LLTA... :)
You know what makes my skin creep?
When I read of those (no, I'd better not) stating they work in the 'voluntary sector', as though they are some sort of 'angel'.
All they are, in reality, are clerks. Pen pushers. Non producers.
Simply channeling our money into various organisations in the town.
How do they think that is being in the 'voluntary sector'?
They work in an office, taking a salary, having holidays, sick days etc. just like anyone else in the Civic, or any other office block in the town.
Voluntary sector? Sanctimonious bull excreta.
Easily sorted if each project is evaluated by independent people, such as the residents of Hartlepool.
Get a copy of applications with outcomes of what they said they would do to get the money and see if they are achieving it, and if it was needed. If people worked together in order to streamline community CIC's and Charities, there would be no escape. They would have to deliver as the majority are set up to support residents and regeneration needing help.