Boris has confused the hell out of many it seems- well that is the excuse they use.
Out and about once a day with dog, having not seen family or grand kids for weeks but I see morons disregarding covid rules.....running in groups less than 1 meter from each other....two blokes in horse and trap up and down Seaton front..... more and more cars up and down full of families....
and the m**r*n round the corner having BBQs almost every day 5 or six cars pulling up and swarms of kids everywhere.
I would like to think it is some form of natural selection and nature will cull the covidiots.... the problem is how many others will they infect before they end up in ITU?
Easy solution would be instead of dishing out fines .....arrest anyone ignoring rules for breach of peace....straight in front of a magistrate next day after night in cells and name and shame in Snail.
Cue stream of abuse and an indignation from people stating they need to see families.....cant cope etc.
Er Tough s**t.... do it or wait for the next wave of deaths which will be much higher.....
Anyone struggling with concept of 2 meters think of a coffin between you and the next person...
Totally agree with you. Looks like folk are having VE day street parties today....just hope most folk have the sense to keep their distance! As for natural selection, let's just hope so....and the thieving druggies too!
have to go along with that
more so the last bit the gits are wearing gloves and masks to avoid the CCTV
thought the ignorance of the rules was just in this neck of the woods TBH
figures
Quote from: diSme on May 09, 2020, 01: AM
figures
as in evidence / proof?
OK just found out this morning my mother currently living in a town nursing home..although asymptomatic has tested positive for Covid 19.
Thats one figure I know of that affects me.
Quote from: akarjl2 on May 08, 2020, 11: AM
Boris has confused the hell out of many it seems- well that is the excuse they use.
Two points here. The confusion is the work of the media. Since this started they just seem to pick away like a like a dog at a scab. Constantly looking to be the smart ar**'s and counter every government move by introducing their own so called contrary experts into something no one has dealt with before.
Then there's the politicians trying to score points and spending the entire post Coronavirus period preaching after the event and when you look at the p reachers you wonder what they'd have done.
As for the lock down busters, they're just ignorant bellicose gobsh*tes who from the start we're going to do just what they wanted because that's how they live their lives. They lead the hunt, they were the very first 'bog roll pirates' grabbing to gross excess, fuelled by their basic selfish instinct, because it's all about them.
They don't care and never will, they're like the life long drunk who falls under a bus and despite all the wheels going over him, gets up and carries on drinking, it never affects them .
To them, we're just mugs.
For me the government have made a right hash of thing sending the public into a panic buying spree clearing supermarkets Paying people 80% of their salaries, great companies shut up shop no salaries to pay, employees sat at home getting paid for doing nothing. There should have been regional meetings directing businesses how to manage Covid 19 not the daily blurb from London, the government seem to forget there are people who live north of Watford.
Some businesses could have stayed open if social distancing had been properly managed obviously not places where there were large social gatherings like pubs/restaurants. B&Q is now open and I assume they will be managing the social distancing the best they can although there will be odd shopper who think they can do as they want. Tesco is a great example how to manage things, one way system in place and being policed by the staff albeit they receive abuse sometime from an irate shopper.
Now the government are going cut the subsidies but not back to zero immediately which will make companies and people realise they have to sit up and we have to manage the situation, Covid19 is not going to disappear overnight, it's here for the foreseeable future.
Yes we have the minority of idiots who think they know better having their BBQs etc , we need an organised return to work which we will have to although some places like Bars/Restaurants would be nigh I possible to manage. I think the weather had a big influence on the lockdown, we must have had one of the mildest Springs ever, no rain, no frost so people were going out more often. What a difference today, big drop in temperature bit of rain, little or no queues at the Supermarkets.
Look round at the staff in the Supermarkets etc, they ignore social distancing when stacking the shelves impossible to do so. Have any of the many Supermarkets in Hartlepool closed because staff have caught Covid 19 ?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on May 10, 2020, 12: PM
As for the lock down busters, they're just ignorant bellicose gobsh*tes who from the start we're going to do just what they wanted because that's how they live their lives. They lead the hunt, they were the very first 'bog roll pirates' grabbing to gross excess, fuelled by their basic selfish instinct, because it's all about them.
They don't care and never will.
....hopefully dead gobshites around 3 weeks time.
Quote from: seaton on May 10, 2020, 01: PM
For me the government have made a right hash of thing sending the public into a panic buying spree clearing supermarkets
That was the work of the media, showing pictures of empty supermarket shelves in London. Trouble is I was informed by several different journalists in London that stocks were Ok, the big media boys were targeting a couple of empty stores, result, panic by people naturally.
As for the toilet roll saga, it began in Australia who for some bizarre reason does not produce it's own toilet rolls and imports them from....China!!!!
Deliveries were still arriving but shoppers in Australia thought they'd dry up but they din't.
What the hell the toilet roll connection is to a respiratory illness is beyond me. Lemmings.
watched Boris on the box last night and to be honest I was no wiser when he finished his missive
whats the rules now ? anybody know ??
Don't think that then 'rules' have really changed much - it was more a set of aims and objectives. The only real change is encouraging people whose jobs are available to get back to work (before the jobs disappear) - oh, and people can get a bit more of the great outdoors (where the boffins declare risks to be minute). There will probably be some flesh on the bones when the back up documentation's released this afternoon (& parliament discusses the set up).
I can't understand the confusion, it's just lock down as usual with a couple of perks. If someone wants a picnic in their car on the moors, fair enough. But there's nowhere of any consequence open.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on May 11, 2020, 08: PM
I can't understand the confusion, it's just lock down as usual with a couple of perks. If someone wants a picnic in their car on the moors, fair enough. But there's nowhere of any consequence open.
Exactly. A few minor (experimental?) tweaks.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on May 11, 2020, 08: PM
I can't understand the confusion, it's just lock down as usual with a couple of perks. If someone wants a picnic in their car on the moors, fair enough. But there's nowhere of any consequence open.
He's let us go Sea fishing again, that may just keep me sane
Quote from: akarjl2 on May 10, 2020, 05: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on May 10, 2020, 12: PM
As for the lock down busters, they're just ignorant bellicose gobsh*tes who from the start we're going to do just what they wanted because that's how they live their lives. They lead the hunt, they were the very first 'bog roll pirates' grabbing to gross excess, fuelled by their basic selfish instinct, because it's all about them.
They don't care and never will.
....hopefully dead gobshites around 3 weeks time.
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/300-covid-19-patients-now-18239166
231 confirmed in hartlepool :-[
Drove down a certain Hartlepool street after dinner today and was surprised to see ten 'people' outside a house. I thought it was the queue for extras for the remake of The Adams Family...... the 'ladies' in enchanting oversize dressing gowns and Jim jams. The 'leading men' contenders in a stunning collection of third world charity shop rejected outfits badly in need of pressure washing on an industrial scale.
'Social distancing' was an alien concept, just a BIG word they say on the telly about that there 'Coronation Iris' whoever she is. I don't know if it was a row or Morris Dancing practice.
I slowed down and give them a stare as I drove past, then you realised they weren't firing on all cylinders.
Will it dare infect them.....?
Seaton front- the "sheeple" queuing down the street right next to each other for Deep fried Virus n Chips.....
Teesbay retail park traffic queuing as retards race to buy essentials like lamp shades paint and compost
People really are thick.....Wonder how many of them will be dead from C19 in 3-4 weeks?
Standby for Tsunami of infections around the country........
I think you will find the the queues at Teesbay were caused by the people wanting to buy burgers not the people wanting to go shopping,there are several places there that sell food which is a perfectly good reason to go there.
So what's different about last few days? Ive never had to que to shop there during lockdown.
( clue= relaxation of lockdown)
The chip shop at Seaton obviously has fans here who reported these comments to owners who then posted images on Farcebook of their adoring customers calmly socially distancing.......
stable door...horse bolted?
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/deeply-irresponsible-idiots-group-behind-18251710
you couldn't make it up ::) ::) ::)
Natural selection at work.....
It is all a load of over-hyped bollocks shamelessly exploited by the papers that got the flyers. A simple check on The British Freedom Movement will explain everything. Far-right conspiracy-theory anti-vaxxer nutcases .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mCLtC4cM7U
A Covid/NWO demo on May 9th in London. .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8HlEQTEoVQ
More on the far-right nutjobs:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/anti-lockdown-protests-far-right-extremist-groups_uk_5ebe761ec5b65715386cb20d
Biggest mystery of all, why on earth would anyone queue for a cup of over priced poncey coffee in a plastic cup......?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on May 16, 2020, 08: AM
Biggest mystery of all, why on earth would anyone queue for a cup of over priced poncey coffee in a plastic cup......?
Can't understand why anyone wants to walk around clutching a takeaway drink at all ... mind you, I rarely drink coffee or tea ... ...
Social anthropologists are having a field day in this present 'climate'! Has anyone here noticed that, with the roads being quieter than usual, certain retards (who somehow managed to pass their driving exam..or not!) are excessively speeding around town. I saw some arriss flying up Park Rd yesterday, at approx 50mph...I kid you not! Plus, there's a lot of 'off road' vehicles...motor bikes, quads, etc, flying around without a care in the world! And now that the restrictions have been further lifted, I expect that more retards will believe that they have the right to do exactly as they please, regardless of the law! This virus is targeting the wrong people!
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on May 17, 2020, 12: AM
This virus is targeting the wrong people!
Is it?
The R number in NE is probably the highest in UK- there must be a reason. Give it time, the Covidiots clock is now ticking, the results will show soon enough.
Amazingly the convicted drunk driver (x 2) at HBC has "figured out" that it is not safe to send our kids back to school.....then again it could be a PR ploy....given his history I am assuming public safety is not something he fully understands.
I heard a clever suggestion on radio on Friday- keep all schools closed for another 6 weeks= the summer break...then re open and skip so called summer holidays? Nobody in their right mind will be booking holidays anyway and it gives us another 6 weeks waiting time for R number to come down?
I keep reading on various sites" now the lockdown is lifted"
no, it isn't there's just a few little perks thrown into early IMHO
the idiots are still on the streets
social distancing LOL
when is the message going to get through to their "I won't get it " mentality
this thing is a killer
I'm all in favour of the retards killing themselves
its who they infect meanwhile that's the worrying thing !!
Quote from: kevplumb on May 17, 2020, 11: AMits who they infect meanwhile that's the worrying thing !!
Correct Kev
Quote from: kevplumb on May 17, 2020, 11: AM
I'm all in favour of the retards killing themselves
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30244-9/fulltext
CFR= Case Fatality Rate
A unique situation has arisen for quite an accurate estimate of the CFR of COVID-19. Among individuals onboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship, data on the denominator are fairly robust. The outbreak of COVID-19 led passengers to be quarantined between Jan 20, and Feb 29, 2020. This scenario provided a population living in a defined territory without most other confounders, such as imported cases, defaulters of screening, or lack of testing capability. 3711 passengers and crew were onboard, of whom 705 became sick and tested positive for COVID-19 and seven died, giving a CFR of 0ยท99%. If the passengers onboard were generally of an older age, the CFR in a healthy, younger population could be lower.
Yep, I've seen people dying in the streets all around me, it's horrific.
Whatever you do, don't go outside, you are risking your life. Unless of course you are going to Aldi or Asda or Tesco etc. the virus seems to be impotent on certain commercial territory....
Regardless, be afraid...
Quote from: diSme on May 17, 2020, 05: PM
Yep, I've seen people dying in the streets all around me, it's horrific.
Whatever you do, don't go outside, you are risking your life. Unless of course you are going to Aldi or Asda or Tesco etc. the virus seems to be impotent on certain commercial territory....
Regardless, be afraid...
I could be wrong but i'm guessing you have not had a relative test positive?
or friends fighting for their lives after contracting the virus?
Just saying....
Quote from: akarjl2 on May 17, 2020, 06: PM
Quote from: diSme on May 17, 2020, 05: PM
Yep, I've seen people dying in the streets all around me, it's horrific.
Whatever you do, don't go outside, you are risking your life. Unless of course you are going to Aldi or Asda or Tesco etc. the virus seems to be impotent on certain commercial territory....
Regardless, be afraid...
I could be wrong but i'm guessing you have not had a relative test positive?
or friends fighting for their lives after contracting the virus?
Just saying....
You could indeed be wrong.
My younger sister, a healthy-living 20 something had the best part of two weeks battling the virus, and was quite unwell at one point, but fortunately she overcame it.
My initial point, albeit a slightly sarcastic one, was an attempt to try and put some emphasis on context.
I do not agree with the global lockdown response. In my honest opinion it is overkill, and is likely, in the long term to be more damaging than the virus. I may well be proved wrong, but that is what I currently believe.
I'm not in any way trying to encourage anyone to go breaching the guidelines, but you have to admit, there are so many things about them that really do not make sense...
As was posted earlier on here, 'It's targeting the wrong people'! Take a drive along Duke Street / Mulgrave Road...and see the druggies / alco's that are there EVERY night, wandering along, out of their heads on whatever. Are they immune to this virus? If so, is it due to alcohol intake / drug use? Is there some immunity to be gained by consuming alcohol and cocaine / heroin? Who knows? There again...WHO probably doesn't know...or care! In all seriousness, and contradicting myself from previous posts, I feel very sad for one particular addict, a woman of approx 30, I reckon. Well over a year ago or more, I noticed, in my everyday travels, that, although you 'knew' that she was, she seemed to have (possibly) 'kicked' the habit (not that I even know her) and I could see that she didn't look like an 'everyday' junkie...but someone who had it under control. Sorry, that sounds cruel...but I'm sure you know what I mean. Anyway, seeing her over the past few weeks, on my travels, she looks to be at rock bottom again, walking (if you can call it that) along with a few other women who are obviously in the same situation. The saddest thing, if I'm correct, is that I believe, from what I've observed over a few years, she has a young daughter. It breaks my heart to think of the disruption and confusion to this child's life.
Quote from: diSme on May 17, 2020, 09: PM
......you have to admit, there are so many things about them that really do not make sense...
Agreed
.....but probably because this is so new to everyone and the government will get ripped apart eventually no matter what the do.....erring on the side of caution is the right approach I still believe.
The morons will ignore any advice given if it does not suit them and hopefully natural selection will kick in...
Quote from: kevplumb on May 17, 2020, 11: AM
I keep reading on various sites" now the lockdown is lifted"
no, it isn't there's just a few little perks thrown into early IMHO
the idiots are still on the streets
social distancing LOL
You are referring to the thickets. The dumb backbone of the country who have no trouble interpreting anything to suit their own stunted world view. They'll even justify it, because they're so desperate to get back what passes for 'normal' in their eternally mundane world. When they can go out for a drink and a meal, shopping trips, holidays, socialising etc, etc, they'll be contented little bunnies....so they 'll keep pushing the boundaries.
the majority of Britons (53%) think the Government should prioritise peoples' health, with more restrictions on public events, workplaces and travel, compared to just 11% who think it should prioritise economic health by having less restrictions. Whilst three in ten say it should be both equally.
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https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/economy-chart-1.png
https://www.ipsos.com/ipsos-mori/en-uk/majority-britons-continue-think-government-should-prioritise-health-over-economy-covid-19-response
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on May 17, 2020, 11: PM
As was posted earlier on here, 'It's targeting the wrong people'! Take a drive along Duke Street / Mulgrave Road...and see the druggies / alco's that are there EVERY night, wandering along, out of their heads on whatever. Are they immune to this virus? If so, is it due to alcohol intake / drug use? Is there some immunity to be gained by consuming alcohol and cocaine / heroin? Who knows? There again...WHO probably doesn't know...or care! In all seriousness, and contradicting myself from previous posts, I feel very sad for one particular addict, a woman of approx 30, I reckon. Well over a year ago or more, I noticed, in my everyday travels, that, although you 'knew' that she was, she seemed to have (possibly) 'kicked' the habit (not that I even know her) and I could see that she didn't look like an 'everyday' junkie...but someone who had it under control. Sorry, that sounds cruel...but I'm sure you know what I mean. Anyway, seeing her over the past few weeks, on my travels, she looks to be at rock bottom again, walking (if you can call it that) along with a few other women who are obviously in the same situation. The saddest thing, if I'm correct, is that I believe, from what I've observed over a few years, she has a young daughter. It breaks my heart to think of the disruption and confusion to this child's life.
And some prominent politicians want to legalise drugs...... ::)
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on May 19, 2020, 11: AM
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on May 17, 2020, 11: PM
As was posted earlier on here, 'It's targeting the wrong people'! Take a drive along Duke Street / Mulgrave Road...and see the druggies / alco's that are there EVERY night, wandering along, out of their heads on whatever. Are they immune to this virus? If so, is it due to alcohol intake / drug use? Is there some immunity to be gained by consuming alcohol and cocaine / heroin? Who knows? There again...WHO probably doesn't know...or care! In all seriousness, and contradicting myself from previous posts, I feel very sad for one particular addict, a woman of approx 30, I reckon. Well over a year ago or more, I noticed, in my everyday travels, that, although you 'knew' that she was, she seemed to have (possibly) 'kicked' the habit (not that I even know her) and I could see that she didn't look like an 'everyday' junkie...but someone who had it under control. Sorry, that sounds cruel...but I'm sure you know what I mean. Anyway, seeing her over the past few weeks, on my travels, she looks to be at rock bottom again, walking (if you can call it that) along with a few other women who are obviously in the same situation. The saddest thing, if I'm correct, is that I believe, from what I've observed over a few years, she has a young daughter. It breaks my heart to think of the disruption and confusion to this child's life.
And some prominent politicians want to legalise drugs...... ::)
To be fair, there's a pretty strong argument for doing so.
Just look at the Portugal model...
I'd rather not. But why would anyone advocate the legalisation of something that is basically mind altering?
Once legalised, the feeble minded will try it because it's Legal, so it's OK...?
Fags and drink, if invented today, would not be allowed to be sold. Why add to the mess?
Once a new expanded 'legal' customer base is opened up, the the price will be undercut massively by the old illegal dealers and anyone naive enough to believe they won't is taking something themselves.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on May 19, 2020, 06: PM
I'd rather not. But why would anyone advocate the legalisation of something that is basically mind altering?
Once legalised, the feeble minded will try it because it's Legal, so it's OK...?
Fags and drink, if invented today, would not be allowed to be sold. Why add to the mess?
Once a new expanded 'legal' customer base is opened up, the the price will be undercut massively by the old illegal dealers and anyone naive enough to believe they won't is taking something themselves.
What's the problem with people wanting to alter their state of mind? It's no different from having a beer or ten, which is my personal preference.
The emphasis should be on making it safe, and reducing the criminal impact, which is basically what the Portuguese have done.
Quote from: diSme on May 19, 2020, 09: PM
What's the problem with people wanting to alter their state of mind? It's no different from having a beer or ten, which is my personal preference.
The emphasis should be on making it safe, and reducing the criminal impact, which is basically what the Portuguese have done.
Tend to agree - if government is happy to cream off profits from Booze and Fags why not legalise all substances = dealers out of business, another source of revenue for HMRC, police only have to show an interest when the pis*ed up/drugged up take to the roads and the Covidiots might spend all day off their heads staring at the wall rather than running around infecting people who actually have a brain.
Only thing they would need to do is give a mandatory 5 year prison sentence to anyone climbing behind the wheel of a vehicle whilst under influence.....oddly "Shame" aka the new leader ( as a convicted drunk driver) would probably disagree.
Quote from: diSme on May 19, 2020, 09: PM
What's the problem with people wanting to alter their state of mind? It's no different from having a beer or ten, which is my personal preference.
The emphasis should be on making it safe, and reducing the criminal impact, which is basically what the Portuguese have done.
To quote George Orwell... 'petty quarrels with neighbours, films, football, beer and above all gambling filled up the horizons of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult.....,' and you want to add drugs to it? If you are happy to have a future where life is 'pain free' but utterly meaning less, crack on.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on May 21, 2020, 10: AM
Quote from: diSme on May 19, 2020, 09: PM
What's the problem with people wanting to alter their state of mind? It's no different from having a beer or ten, which is my personal preference.
The emphasis should be on making it safe, and reducing the criminal impact, which is basically what the Portuguese have done.
To quote George Orwell... 'petty quarrels with neighbours, films, football, beer and above all gambling filled up the horizons of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult.....,' and you want to add drugs to it? If you are happy to have a future where life is 'pain free' but utterly meaning less, crack on.
Bread & circuses ...
went shopping yesterday
1st call butchers in Murray st people all over the place
across the road for my veg same
walked home ditto
put my shopping in the fridge and went to Lidl again kids running about all over the place
gets in the queue woman 2 ahead of my with a face mask over her mouth, not her nose just her mouth
gets in the store and she had taken it off
now considering I'm trying to play the game as I have an underlying respiratory condition which puts me on the hit list if I get a whiff of it
what the freaking hell is going on
as long as people are still dying from this virus they should continue lockdown and bloody well enforce it
its my life these dickheads are playing with >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Some people have now decided to do just what they like. Rules are not for them, guidance an alien concept and civic responsibility an unfathomable concept. They are basically socially illiterate, you can't teach the unreachable so they conform to their own interpretation of what to do in a manner that suits them.
They are a social hand grenade.
Quote from: kevplumb on May 22, 2020, 12: PM
I'm trying to play the game as I have an underlying respiratory condition which puts me on the hit list if I get a whiff of it
Ive just done Asda run wearing a mask and gloves only saw two others doing same.....the rest ? their choice let them die.
In general everyone 2 meters away. I am very surprised shop staff don't wear masks and gloves.
I have a strong feeling this will cull a lot of the morons......unfortunately innocent people will also be affected.
It will be interesting to see what happens to the figures over next few days now that the great retarded unwashed think it back to normal........They should have held the line /lockdown for another three weeks until regional numbers dropped to same levels as London. Financial pressure now coming into play.
Shop staff appear to be immune to the virus. It seems to be intelligently selective like that....
The bigger the company you work for, the more selective it appears to be.
Amazing what they can do these days
Just picked up my wife from work at 5pm. She'd been to Home Bargains in the (excuse for a ) shopping centre, for a few items. She told me that there was an elderly man who was sweating profusely and touching lots of items. I said that she should have informed the staff, in case the man had the virus or was ill with something else. She said that the staff were conversing with him and asked if he needed an ambulance! He said, apparently, that he'd recently had a heart attack and he'd be ok. Paid his money and left. What do shop staff do in that situation? Sounds to me that he's not well and shouldn't be out. But what if he has the virus? He'll certainly be vulnerable....but also passing it on to many others in that shop and elsewhere.
The 'normal' death-rate will drop in the coming months because the weak will be culled by the virus in a cluster instead of slowly over the year. The spike will be followed by a trough-and then the second wave will hit.
Quote from: akarjl2 on May 22, 2020, 02: PM
Quote from: kevplumb on May 22, 2020, 12: PM
I'm trying to play the game as I have an underlying respiratory condition which puts me on the hit list if I get a whiff of it
Ive just done Asda run wearing a mask and gloves only saw two others doing same.....the rest ? their choice let them die.
In general everyone 2 meters away. I am very surprised shop staff don't wear masks and gloves.
I have a strong feeling this will cull a lot of the morons......unfortunately innocent people will also be affected.
It will be interesting to see what happens to the figures over next few days now that the great retarded unwashed think it back to normal........They should have held the line /lockdown for another three weeks until regional numbers dropped to same levels as London. Financial pressure now coming into play.
spot on
There are hints in the media (alleged to come from Downing Street) that London will be released from lockdown before the rest of the country. I've my doubts about that, personally - the original decision was to lock all down together for 'national unity' (whatever that is). Seems that future outbreaks may be dealt with on a hyper-local basis however (such as a particular school/company etc.). We'll see...
Quote from: mk1 on May 22, 2020, 05: PM
The 'normal' death-rate will drop in the coming months because the weak will be culled by the virus in a cluster instead of slowly over the year. The spike will be followed by a trough-and then the second wave will hit.
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I hope to god your wrong,but I feel with the way people act it may return.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on May 22, 2020, 08: PM
There are hints in the media (alleged to come from Downing Street) that London will be released from lockdown before the rest of the country. I've my doubts about that, personally - the original decision was to lock all down together for 'national unity' (whatever that is). Seems that future outbreaks may be dealt with on a hyper-local basis however (such as a particular school/company etc.). We'll see...
from where im standing lucy it never existed :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Amazing what you can unearth when bored.
Covidiot Cummings - "allegedly" visited Barnard Castle over Easter Weekend- when the place was shut down. If he did someone will have an image sat on a phone......
Actually one place is open 24/7
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/05/why-barnard-castle/ (https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/05/why-barnard-castle/)
That's definitely one for the conspiracy theorists. Tin foil hats all round?
He was in Barnie to meet a member of the Chinese Government to consolidate the Huawei deal. I thought everybody would have realised that.
I recall a conversation in the early 80's (in the middle of the night) where a recently disciplined rating was chuntering on about the unfairness of it all. A smart ar** pointed out he had an unblemished record, smugly pointing to his badges of 'celestial good doing' and claiming 22 years without a stain on it. The disgruntled matelot looked up and replied " surely 22 years not getting caught". ;).
Age-related risk
In an ideal world, people's level of fear and
anxiety would be proportional to the risk they
face. The age-related risk of death by Covid-19
for people who do not currently have it (the
population fatality rate), based on data from
England and Wales up to 1st May, is:
Age 0-14: 1 in 5,337,266
15-24: 1 in 279,550
25-44: l in 44,423
45-64: 1 in 4,388
65-74: 1 in 1,143
75-90: 1 in 225
90+: 1 in 81
for those unDer 14, the chance of death from
Covid-19 is negligible (you are far more likely
to be killed by a lightning strike this year). We
still aren't sure how likely children are to pass
the virus on to adults, but it might be safer for
them to be at school rather than shut at home all
day with grandad. Men have roughly double the
risk of getting the virus and dying, compared
with women of the same age. Fatal risk doubles
for each 6-7 years of extra age: an 80-year-old
has around 500 times the risk of dying from
Covid-19 than a 20-year-old. This disease, like
death itself, is very ageist.
https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-c259-4ca4-9a82-648ffde71bf0
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From https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-c259-4ca4-9a82-648ffde71bf0
The timing of lockdowns relative to the spread of the virus had a significant effect on the total level of excess deaths, the data show.
Countries such as Germany and Norway, which imposed restrictions when the spread of the virus was limited, suffered much lower levels of additional deaths than those in the UK where the government waited longer before ordering a lockdown................The FT analysis shows that the UK's excess deaths figure remains the highest whether younger people are excluded or the analysis is limited to pensioners
We can thank Cummings for this because it was he who decided we could afford to let the old die:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-cummings/uks-cummings-denies-too-bad-quote-on-pensioners-dying-from-coronavirus-idUSKBN21A17M
LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson's senior adviser on Monday denied a weekend newspaper report that he had prioritized herd immunity and the economy in the coronavirus crisis at the expense of pensioners dying.
The Sunday Times reported that Dominic Cummings at the end of February had outlined the government's strategy as "herd immunity, protect the economy and if that means some pensioners die, too bad."
When asked by Reuters if he had said the quote attributed to him and whether the report was accurate, Cummings said:"No. Of course not. No."
and Boris only went into reverse ferret when the death toll started rising much faster than predicted
Note also the textbook MRD Applies here : Cummings said:"No. Of course not. No."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8387971/Britain-announces-coronavirus-deaths.html
Britain announces 176 more coronavirus deaths as daily data shows Covid-19 is still killing more people in the UK than in the rest of the EU combined.........................
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The newspaper is The Daily Mail, favourite paper of the commie, lefty vegetarian sandal-wearing tree-huggers.
After the Boris -bashing they managed to slip in a few digs at Labour-the temptation was too great.
A poll also revealed children in the north are missing out on an education as Labour-run councils refuse to allow schools to reopen.....................a large number of Labour-run councils refused to let their schools open.
I would say that everything depends on the words "reported deaths" does anyone seriously believe that China,a country of around 1.3 billion people, suffered less than 5,000 Covid related deaths or was it "reported deaths"? There are three kinds of lies. Lies,damned lies and statistics :- attributed to Mark Twain.
Quote from: Topcat on June 05, 2020, 08: AM
I would say that everything depends on the words "reported deaths" does anyone seriously believe that China,a country of around 1.3 billion people, suffered less than 5,000 Covid related deaths or was it "reported deaths"? There are three kinds of lies. Lies,damned lies and statistics :- attributed to Mark Twain.
I expected that kind of alternate-reality reply so I carefully chose the FT data because it clearly states '
' UK has one of the highest excess deaths rates among countries producing comparable data'' and Chinese numbers are not mentioned.
Labeling any fact/account you don't like as 'fake noos' and/or lies might make you feel better but it is not going to change reality.
I look forward to the day we get a Covid vaccine and we see the bat-sh*it crazy anti-vaxxers refuse it. Should be interesting to see if the non-demented people allow these idiots to become super-spreaders or will laws be passed to force the nutters to inject or be banished?
Just as I expected a reply from you MK1 because you can't resist an audience to pass your superior knowledge (or your superior internet trawling skills) on to. Just read my quote attributed to Mark Twain again. Incidentally I accept the flue vaccine each year and I have also had the pneumonia and shingles vaccines as well and I will certainly accept a Covid 19 vaccine if one becomes available.
Quote from: Topcat on June 05, 2020, 10: AM
you can't resist an audience to pass your superior knowledge on to.
I just cut and pasted and gave links. It is not
my superior anything.
Quote from: Topcat on June 05, 2020, 10: AM
Just read my quote attributed to Mark Twain again. Incidentally I accept the flue vaccine each year ..............
I prefer Ogden Nash:
A flea and a fly in a
flueWere imprisoned, so what could they do?
Said the fly, "let us flee!"
"Let us fly!" said the flea.
So they
flew through a flaw in the
flue.
Quote from: Topcat on June 05, 2020, 10: AM
you can't resist an audience to pass your superior knowledge (or your superior internet trawling skills)
Oh I read as well. For example the New Scientist of May 30th had an article (one of a total of 3) on Covid-19 that suggests it may also cause 'a host' neurological problems. I have not seen that mentioned in any of the popular press. Check your copy, its on page 34 to 38.
This:
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Quote from: mk1 on June 05, 2020, 09: AM
Should be interesting to see if the non-demented people allow these idiots to become super-spreaders or will laws be passed to force the nutters to inject or be banished?
Makes sense to me........banished or euthanised?
Oh no ... a cut and paste blizzard, head for the hills.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on June 05, 2020, 03: PM
Oh no ... a cut and paste blizzard, head for the hills.
Please do......try Barnard Castle.
An antidote to the Boris apologist whinging on local social meeja that the EU numbers are 'suspect/incomplete' and/or being manipulated to make the UK 'look bad'. Lacking the courage to come straight out and say it they limit themselves to vague hints of underhand tactics and 'liking' post by other less inhibited conspiracy theorists.
From The New Scientist
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24632853-300-why-have-there-been-so-many-coronavirus-deaths-in-the-uk/#ixzz6OetooE5F
Not knowing they were infected, many people were carrying on as normal and infecting others"
"You've got an enormous disparity. I don't believe the reason is any other than the actions taken by the government very early on
. "We have been playing catch-up from the start,"
Part of it is clearly down to implementing lockdown relatively later than other countries did," he says.
Testing levels are ..................."inadequate for most of the pandemic"
offers of help from labs rated level 3 weren't taken up.
offers to test went without clear answer for weeks.
the suspension of tracing as "the single greatest mistake
only one of the UK's four chief medical officers had a background in public health,
We are behind nearly every other country in the world
"The highest avoidable death toll in Europe tells us we have not done well, but there's no admission of it"
any government would have made poor decisions at times, but "never have they admitted they got anything wrong, or said they are sorry for an action or inaction".
Clearly the first response (they abandoned this when the initial death-rate forecast was found to be too optimistic ) was to let the virus run its course to generate herd-immunity. Dominic Cummings put into words the consequences that Boris obviously considered a 'price worth paying'.
"herd immunity, protect the economy and if that means some pensioners die, too bad."
Quote from: mk1 on June 05, 2020, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on June 05, 2020, 03: PM
Oh no ... a cut and paste blizzard, head for the hills.
Please do......try Barnard Castle.
I was advocating you doing it actually.
Although the poor sheep might decline your lectures on their lack of political awareness.
https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18503173.spike-covid-cases-hartlepool-results-health-staff-calling-community-social-distance/?ref=eb
was always on the cards