Given experience or lack of, who could even be in a position to become Council Leader? Whether it's a Labour Council or a Council with No Overall Control?
As it stands the council leader (if CAB is removed) has to come from the Labour group. That is reason enough to rule out Shane, James and Mike. Jonathan Brash is not a councillor at present and therefore isn't an option at present. The only serious option 'post CAB' in my opinion is Dave Hunter.
My key reason being the council is crying out for INTEGRITY in terms of its leadership. After 5 years of calamities and perceptions of the pursuit of self interest (The Peer reviews words not mine), the number one priority MUST be to get someone in charge who will makes decisions for the right reasons and based on good old fashioned morality and decency.
I haven't always agreed with Dave Hunter's voting record on certain decisions, but it was clear very quickly to me that he has a moral compass and is involved in local politics for the right reasons.
Whether Dave Hunter would WANT the job though is a different story.
In terms of council leaders in a 'no overall control' or indeed future situation, that's at least 2 years away if indeed it ever actually happens so i don't place too much focus on that eventuality yet. Jonathan Brash may well come into the equation in 6 months time, but obviously that depends of (a) Him standing and (b) him being elected.
I think we need a female leader
For absolute clarity I will state that I would not and do not want to be the leader of the council.
Be careful what you wish for, could end up being the Cranny.
Not to worry, the council would be in profit within 5 years.
Quote from: Owen Jones on November 26, 2018, 12: PM
I think we need a female leader
What difference does gender make?
Leadership qualities are most certainly not gender-specific
Quote from: diSme on November 26, 2018, 02: PM
Quote from: Owen Jones on November 26, 2018, 12: PM
I think we need a female leader
What difference does gender make?
Leadership qualities are most certainly not gender-specific
True. Leadership skills seem pretty few and far between within HBC, so let's not minimise the pool for the sake of political correctness.
Is this the same Brash who manipulated the system to get Mandelson made a Freeman? It had to be done that way because in a free vote no one would have given it to the snake.
Brash who used multiple IDs here to praise himself as a disinterested third party?
Brash is totally a Party politician who will, if he ever did assume command, make sure all evidence of the SCAB Cabal looting is buried and never ever sees the light of day.
I think your all crazy.
Choosing a 'leader' can be nothing but a game at this stage. CAB's intention to hang onto power for as long as possible becomes clearer by the day - he has too much to lose (both financially and ego-wise).
When it comes to tenacity and survival, isn't it said that cockroaches can survive a nuclear winter? ::)
Definitely a speculatory post/poll.
I really don't see what it will achieve, other than further speculation..
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on November 26, 2018, 05: PM
Choosing a 'leader' can be nothing but a game at this stage. CAB's intention to hang onto power for as long as possible becomes clearer by the day - he has too much to lose (both financially and ego-wise).
When it comes to tenacity and survival, isn't it said that cockroaches can survive a nuclear winter? ::)
I don't think there's any reason to compare cockroaches with CAB. One's a disgusting nuisance that you find in tropical hotels......................the other is a cockroach! ;D
Quote from: diSme on November 26, 2018, 02: PM
Quote from: Owen Jones on November 26, 2018, 12: PM
I think we need a female leader
What difference does gender make?
Leadership qualities are most certainly not gender-specific
Just to further qualify my post,, perhaps Gill Alexander could be used as a reasonable comparison...
we need a leader with a proven track record in business and knows what profit and loss and accountability is . WHAT WE DONT NEED IS A TEACHER /BUTCHER / BAKER/ CANDLE STICK MAKER . IF HBC NEED SOMEONE TO DO INTERVIEWS I AM THAT MAN . IVE BEEN IN BUSINISS FOR 30YEARS AND CAN REVEAL A CRANK IN THE FIRST 5 MIN S .... WHAT IVE COME TO FIND OUT OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS IS THE MORE CERTIFICATES AND BITS OF PAPER THE COMES WITH HE OR SHE USUALLY PANS OUT USELESS ...
so the OP missed none of the above out then
Despite your dreadful grasp of the English language Mr. Ben i think you and others are missing the point here.
The Council Ltd. is not a profitable business, it is in fact a big loss maker and the Council leader is the public face of that establishment.
He/she is there to shoulder the blame for the Council officers and Government financiers, regardless of who is in power there will always be a shortfall in support grants for every town.
In general, businessmen/women do not make good Councillors simply because they know the limitations of fiscal disaster whereas a good Councillor looks after his flock and ignores the complications of local government finance.
You may dislike CAB because of his hairstyle, dress sense, choice of car or sexuality but he is suffering the same trials as every other leader we have had in the past that i know of.
I have run my own profitable business for 37 years and could do so with my eyes shut but after spending 5 years on every committee in the Council could never see a way of covering the escalating shortfall in cash needed.
Looking at the list of possibilities i can honestly say that any member of the local Labour Council is capable of becoming leader but none are likely to produce any better that the present one.
Jill Alexander will soon be advised by top Whitehall money bigwigs to "arrange" for a 4.9% increase in next years Council Tax bills to cover the shortfall in support grants and the leader will take the flak.
It's not what anyone wants to hear but it's written in the stars i'm afraid :-\
No you are wrong !! if hbc was run like a company it would not be in the s**t state it is in now . we have employed a goon off the street that has been let loose with pots of money and spending like a lotto winner . its like any company that can sell or offers services to a government backed project will charge more because he or she knows that most of people in charge of the coffers haven't got a clue and dont care because its not there money ....... HENCE THE GOON WE HAVE EMPLOYED .
" The Council Ltd. is not a profitable business, it is in fact a big loss maker and the Council leader is the public face of that establishment"
I don't think many people expect the council to turn a profit, what they do expect is a reasonable level of services and amenities, most people also understand that government cuts have affected the councils ability to provide the services and amenities they have been used to.
What the public don't expect is a series of disastrous decisions that have wasted millions of pounds, those decisions have been made by the labtor coalition council, the list is long and well documented and I won't waste time going through them again.
The real urine boiler for most of us is the council to councillor deals, schemes, cic', businesses, charities...... it's only in recent years that circumstances surrounding some of those issues have 'leaked out' of the civic.......The £2k Gold Medals being a particularly inflammatory example of the waste of money by this council.
Quote from: fred c on November 28, 2018, 08: AM
" The Council Ltd. is not a profitable business, it is in fact a big loss maker and the Council leader is the public face of that establishment"
I don't think many people expect the council to turn a profit, what they do expect is a reasonable level of services and amenities, most people also understand that government cuts have affected the councils ability to provide the services and amenities they have been used to.
What the public don't expect is a series of disastrous decisions that have wasted millions of pounds, those decisions have been made by the labtor coalition council, the list is long and well documented and I won't waste time going through them again.
The real urine boiler for most of us is the council to councillor deals, schemes, cic', businesses, charities...... it's only in recent years that circumstances surrounding some of those issues have 'leaked out' of the civic.......The £2k Gold Medals being a particularly inflammatory example of the waste of money by this council.
Too right Fred, CAB aka Calamity Chris has cost us Council tax payers millions through bad decisions such as scraping the town plan, Jacksons Landing and failing to pick up the 106 money for Wynyard.
I suspect all of these very expensive c**k ups could have been avoided by listening to Officers advice.
Ironically Drummond was in many ways a great leader compared to Calamity Chris simply because he was always willing to listen to good advice and never presumed he knew best. CAB, SAB, Mad Dog, Cranney etc all think they know better.
I number of good Officers HBC has lost because of this we know best attitude is alarming.
Quote from: The Great Dictator on November 28, 2018, 01: AM
Despite your dreadful grasp of the English language Mr. Ben i think you and others are missing the point here.
The Council Ltd. is not a profitable business, it is in fact a big loss maker and the Council leader is the public face of that establishment.
He/she is there to shoulder the blame for the Council officers and Government financiers, regardless of who is in power there will always be a shortfall in support grants for every town.
In general, businessmen/women do not make good Councillors simply because they know the limitations of fiscal disaster whereas a good Councillor looks after his flock and ignores the complications of local government finance.
You may dislike CAB because of his hairstyle, dress sense, choice of car or sexuality but he is suffering the same trials as every other leader we have had in the past that i know of.
I have run my own profitable business for 37 years and could do so with my eyes shut but after spending 5 years on every committee in the Council could never see a way of covering the escalating shortfall in cash needed.
Looking at the list of possibilities i can honestly say that any member of the local Labour Council is capable of becoming leader but none are likely to produce any better that the present one.
Jill Alexander will soon be advised by top Whitehall money bigwigs to "arrange" for a 4.9% increase in next years Council Tax bills to cover the shortfall in support grants and the leader will take the flak.
It's not what anyone wants to hear but it's written in the stars i'm afraid :-\
It's always been so, nothing new.
However, that isn't the issue.
Everyone and their dog knows the problem.
While it is accepted that Councils are not designed to make money . They have a moral and ethically duty not to waste money. I accept that individual Councillors may not be business mined but surely they can see wanton waste and mismanagement.
In the time I have lived in the town I have seen limited infrastructure improvements and a plethora of pipe dreams . What the town needs is a pragmatic political leader who doesn't blame every one else supported by an effective CEO and MP, who will at least face the challenges and not supply a pipe dream involution .
Truth is I do not think that will happen any time soon so best thing maybe the current council accepts special measures and a true picture comes out to all and the improvements can begin.
Quote from: Lord Elpus on November 28, 2018, 09: AM
Quote from: fred c on November 28, 2018, 08: AM
" The Council Ltd. is not a profitable business, it is in fact a big loss maker and the Council leader is the public face of that establishment"
I don't think many people expect the council to turn a profit, what they do expect is a reasonable level of services and amenities, most people also understand that government cuts have affected the councils ability to provide the services and amenities they have been used to.
What the public don't expect is a series of disastrous decisions that have wasted millions of pounds, those decisions have been made by the labtor coalition council, the list is long and well documented and I won't waste time going through them again.
The real urine boiler for most of us is the council to councillor deals, schemes, cic', businesses, charities...... it's only in recent years that circumstances surrounding some of those issues have 'leaked out' of the civic.......The £2k Gold Medals being a particularly inflammatory example of the waste of money by this council.
Too right Fred, CAB aka Calamity Chris has cost us Council tax payers millions through bad decisions such as scraping the town plan, Jacksons Landing and failing to pick up the 106 money for Wynyard.
I suspect all of these very expensive c**k ups could have been avoided by listening to Officers advice.
Ironically Drummond was in many ways a great leader compared to Calamity Chris simply because he was always willing to listen to good advice and never presumed he knew best. CAB, SAB, Mad Dog, Cranney etc all think they know better.
I number of good Officers HBC has lost because of this we know best attitude is alarming.
spot on geoff the four of them stick together like birds of a feather when one of them is in the s*** you can guarantee the other 3 will be there for them we see it time and time again
Quote from: SRMoore on November 26, 2018, 01: PM
For absolute clarity I will state that I would not and do not want to be the leader of the council.
Still the case?!
Quote from: UnknownUser on May 10, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: SRMoore on November 26, 2018, 01: PM
For absolute clarity I will state that I would not and do not want to be the leader of the council.
Still the case?!
Fair comment/question.....!
Quote from: diSme on May 10, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: UnknownUser on May 10, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: SRMoore on November 26, 2018, 01: PM
For absolute clarity I will state that I would not and do not want to be the leader of the council.
Still the case?!
Fair comment/question.....!
Pontless 'Gotcha'.
Circumstances change and whilst I would not like to be King Of The World if the then default candidate was Tommy Knobinson I think I could be persuaded to change my mind.
Quote from: mk1 on May 10, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: diSme on May 10, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: UnknownUser on May 10, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: SRMoore on November 26, 2018, 01: PM
For absolute clarity I will state that I would not and do not want to be the leader of the council.
Still the case?!
Fair comment/question.....!
Pontless 'Gotcha'.
Circumstances change and whilst I would not like to be King Of The World if the then default candidate was Tommy Knobinson I think I could be persuaded to change my mind.
It's not totally pointless though...
I like Shane, he seems like a good guy, however these are the kind of questions that politicians should be able to answer freely and openly...
Quote from: mk1 on November 26, 2018, 05: PM
Is this the same Brash who manipulated the system to get Mandelson made a Freeman? It had to be done that way because in a free vote no one would have given it to the snake.
Brash who used multiple IDs here to praise himself as a disinterested third party?
Brash is totally a Party politician who will, if he ever did assume command, make sure all evidence of the SCAB Cabal looting is buried and never ever sees the light of day.
I think your all crazy.
Totally agree. He fell foul of the cabal and paid the price, but his loyalty to the Party remains. Waiting to be invited back no doubt now the Labour lot have had the drains up.
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Pontless 'Gotcha'.
No 'Gotcha' involved! I'm not the police who's just collared a criminal red-handed.
You yourself mentioned circumstances changing, exactly why I've asked if this it was still the case.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on November 26, 2018, 05: PM
When it comes to tenacity and survival, isn't it said that cockroaches can survive a nuclear winter? ::)
But not without allowances.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on May 10, 2019, 05: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on November 26, 2018, 05: PM
When it comes to tenacity and survival, isn't it said that cockroaches can survive a nuclear winter? ::)
But not without allowances.
Veuve Cliquot doesn't come cheap.
Quote from: UnknownUser on May 10, 2019, 05: PM
I'm not the police who's just collared a criminal red-handed.
https://youtu.be/p-BBv3GbQzQ?t=30
Put me out of my misery..........
Quote from: mk1 on May 10, 2019, 05: PM
Quote from: UnknownUser on May 10, 2019, 05: PM
I'm not the police who's just collared a criminal red-handed.
https://youtu.be/p-BBv3GbQzQ?t=30
Put me out of my misery..........
Love to
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on May 10, 2019, 05: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on May 10, 2019, 05: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on November 26, 2018, 05: PM
When it comes to tenacity and survival, isn't it said that cockroaches can survive a nuclear winter? ::)
But not without allowances.
Veuve Cliquot doesn't come cheap.
Neither do cockroach toupees or those little gold cockroach medals for serving a year down a sewer near us all.