Jacksons Landing

[steveL]

Being cursed with a long memory, I can remember Mandale's original 'plan' for the centre block of Navigation Point to be a hotel. They changed their mind and opted to use it for flats instead at £550 per month. We were told at the time that the ubiquitous 'marketing study' had revealed that there was no demand for a hotel.

The aborted development at Trincomallee Wharf also included a 7 storey hotel and we've had the Travelodge built since then. The Masterplan (sic) for Victoria Park was also to include a hotel and Jomast's stalled plan for the Wesley is ..... guess what .........to convert it into a hotel. Anyone recognise a pattern here?

At some point, the family run hotels and B&B places scattered around the town are going to start kicking off about all this talk of hotels which, at the end of the day, are full of contractors from Dundee working for Hereema, not tourists.

[seaton]

Being cursed with a long memory, I can remember Mandale's original 'plan' for the centre block of Navigation Point to be a hotel. They changed their mind and opted to use it for flats instead at £550 per month. We were told at the time that the ubiquitous 'marketing study' had revealed that there was no demand for a hotel.

The aborted development at Trincomallee Wharf also included a 7 storey hotel and we've had the Travelodge built since then. The Masterplan (sic) for Victoria Park was also to include a hotel and Jomast's stalled plan for the Wesley is ..... guess what .........to convert it into a hotel. Anyone recognise a pattern here?

At some point, the family run hotels and B&B places scattered around the town are going to start kicking off about all this talk of hotels which, at the end of the day, are full of contractors from Dundee working for Hereema, not tourists.

Steve your comment might have been 'tongue in cheek' but I don't recall in my time anyone from Dundee or any where from 'out of town' working at Hereema. All the labour there was from the surrounding area apart from the odd specialist contractor who were only1 or 2 people.
The contractors in the town are in general a only a few Shopfitters now and again.
I don't think the town is full of contractors like the days in the construction of the Power Station, Laings and the Seal Sands.

[steveL]

The contractors in the town are in general a only a few Shopfitters now and again.

On first reading, I thought that read 'shoplifters' which brought a chuckle - but then you never know!

I have a couple of friends who work at Premier and the Travelodge who tell me their clientele is mainly made up of contractors. The real point being that we are not being overrun with tourists which is where the council keep telling us the demand is coming from - I don't see it myself.

I have heard, second hand, but from a Jomast employee, that Jomast have pretty much given up on Hartlepool and have no plans to build anything else.

I'd be interested to know from you what sort of number of Hereema employees are from Hartlepool. I've seen posts on here suggesting that quite a few are from the wider area, especially Tyneside. I ask because I believe there is a serious skill shortage in Hartlepool and while I think the C of FE does a grand job, it does seem to be heavily focussed on young people. I doubt if many 40 -45 year olds would feel comfortable trying to reskill themselves whilst surrounded by post-pubescent fellow students.

Incidentally, I gather this site is quite popular with the College's upper echelons (or was that epsilons?)

[steveL]

I have every sympathy for Mr Riddle and the many other councilors who live in the real world and go to work for a living then in their spare time attend meetings etc to represent their ward in their duties as a councilor, what people need to understand is that Mr Cranney is unfortunately the monkey that escaped the noose, he has the intelligence of an ape and the gob that spews out the contents of a babies potty almost on a daily basis, fact being is the council have taken out loans and used tax payers money to essentially fund their own business ventures and ime sorry to say this and people may disagree with me but money and Councilor Cranney equals a disaster, his track record speaks volumes and ultimately the Jacksons Landing saga will end up where the site will be cleared and it will end up being sold to the likes of Jomast or John s**n* and Co and earmarked for flats, there is already a hotel ( actually several ) hotels within walking distance of the marina and another one is not necessary, once the site is cleared it will be backhanders galore and the site will be sold for a song leaving the tax payer to foot the bill once again.

We need an independent inquiry into several councilors and their business dealings don't rely on Devlin to follow through with complaints, hes as bad of not worse than the Labour Mob, as for Cranney, this is what happens when you give the apes too many bananas.... They go wild.

I think you might find this link useful.

http://www.ef.com/english-resources/english-grammar/period-full-stop-or-point/

[seaton]

The contractors in the town are in general a only a few Shopfitters now and again.

On first reading, I thought that read 'shoplifters' which brought a chuckle - but then you never know!

I have a couple of friends who work at Premier and the Travelodge who tell me their clientele is mainly made up of contractors. The real point being that we are not being overrun with tourists which is where the council keep telling us the demand is coming from - I don't see it myself.

I have heard, second hand, but from a Jomast employee, that Jomast have pretty much given up on Hartlepool and have no plans to build anything else.

I'd be interested to know from you what sort of number of Hereema employees are from Hartlepool. I've seen posts on here suggesting that quite a few are from the wider area, especially Tyneside. I ask because I believe there is a serious skill shortage in Hartlepool and while I think the C of FE does a grand job, it does seem to be heavily focussed on young people. I doubt if many 40 -45 year olds would feel comfortable trying to reskill themselves whilst surrounded by post-pubescent fellow students.

Incidentally, I gather this site is quite popular with the College's upper echelons (or was that epsilons?)

The employees and contractors were mostly from Teesside, I can't recall any from Tyneside. One of my Bosses of the sub contractors a few years ago there refused to employ anyone with a phone number pre fixed by 0191. Hartlepool doesn't have the number of Welders, Platers, Electricians required when there is a major contract ongoing there.

[steveL]

Hartlepool doesn't have the number of Welders, Platers, Electricians required when there is a major contract ongoing there.

That's just a crazy situation but it kind of fits in with what I was suggesting . . . this is the sort of thing HBC should be focussing on instead of fannying about with 'Visions'. Having said that, the 0191 exclusion seems a bit harsh. Isn't Peterlee 0191? There's nothing wrong with people from the collieries that a tub of multivitamins and a basic introduction to vegetables couldn't cure.

[seaton]

Hartlepool doesn't have the number of Welders, Platers, Electricians required when there is a major contract ongoing there.

That's just a crazy situation but it kind of fits in with what I was suggesting . . . this is the sort of thing HBC should be focussing on instead of fannying about with 'Visions'

Not really a major conttract could require 800 trades persons but only for a few months, after that you have to move on some where else. Hartlepool doesn't have a major employer to support that amount of personnel on a regular basis.
The U.K. doesnt have an Engineering base any more, we stopped building Power Stations, Ships, Oil Rigs etc the Pits, Steelworks, ICI used to provide the tradesman through training apprentices but there all gone now.
In some respect there is no point training hundreds of tradesman when there are no jobs for them.
If Hinkley goes ahead it will be managed by the French and you will find that probably they will 'import' their own labour.

[Lord Elpus]

Look North Video and SAB talking about the developers (plural) coming forward saying, "we're interested in this site"....total fabrication........ one enquiry said to be in the 'embryonic' stage  from a national hotel chain..... that's it.

https://youtu.be/KbUmgXvcwtQ

His body language and the slight gulp before he talks about a developer being interested suggests to me that this 'TinTin' looky likey is lying through his crooked teeth.

[fred c]

The man you couldn't hang.  

[mk1]

He doesn't have to be told to keep his chin up because it appears he does not have one. Head-neck-trunk, one seamless join!

[steveL]

The suit to the right is the council's chief spin merchant, Alistair Rae, which, considering SAB's performance on camera, makes you wonder what he would have been like without the help of his spin doctor!! The mind boggles!

I presume the cameraman is searching for his wide-angled lens :-)

[mk1]

They do the interview first where the camera is on the one being asked the questions all the time. The interview ends and then they do the 'noddies'. That is where they film the interviewer asking the same questions to empty space. Later they splice it together so it looks like they cut between the two in real time. You can see the  mic over the blobs right rear shoulder.

[marky]

Sounds like a right clart on and way too much for handsome Ste to handle.

[DRiddle]

I hope today's meeting, which features Jacksons landing, is chaired in a more cordial way than Friday's. Ideally, members of the public will be allowed to ask questions, councillors outside the ruling group won't be banned from speaking and hopefully no one will get called a wife beater.

It's the little thing you hope for isn't it?

[fred c]

After Fridays disgraceful meeting I won't be attending any more council meetings....... wife beater was bad enough..... being accused of being a necrophiliac could be the next insult