A Stitch Up

[beanzontoast]

I mean is it only in Hartlepool a guy dressed up as a football mascot gets all the way to be Mayor of the town, it was also said you hung a monkey, you still vote Labour, no change there then, people who I tell those stories to fall about laughing, and then it`s where`s Hartlepool they think you all wear medieval costumes maybe they are not wrong. Something is happening out there in the modern world you will get another chance to grasp it lets see if you Do or will it be ( no change there then. )

[beanzontoast]

Mr Allison, is a really articulate and all round nice guy I met him once, but his recent comment makes me wonder about what he does during the day I mean, is it logical to assume that if you don't participate in anything, then you might as well not think about anything, might as well not see or hear anything, which begs the question should you have an opinion about anything more to the point do you really exist.

[Lucy Lass-Tick]

I mean is it only in Hartlepool a guy dressed up as a football mascot gets all the way to be Mayor of the town, it was also said you hung a monkey, you still vote Labour, no change there then, people who I tell those stories to fall about laughing, and then it`s where`s Hartlepool they think you all wear medieval costumes maybe they are not wrong. Something is happening out there in the modern world you will get another chance to grasp it lets see if you Do or will it be ( no change there then. )

And at number one in the Hartlepool charts .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WSkkz9f27A

[beanzontoast]

Utterly bizarre indeed Perseus, and judging by all the comments on the forum re HBC why do you keep voting for them ( Labour ) a man once said don`t vote for them it only encourages them.

[beanzontoast]

I must apologise Perseus, I should have taken more care over the wording when using the word YOU i was not referring to you in particular, it was meant to convey the majority of residents who have had a choice and used it to yet again vote in Labour. Again my apologies.

[beanzontoast]

Then as Labour has been in control of HBC for an awful long time, and Labour being a socialist party, then may I suppose any change may take an awful long time to come about as the general populous of Hartlepool fears change, as it brings uncertainty to their being better the devil you know. However a point you raised again please don`t take this the wrong way but genuinely what is your view on what makes a ( Genuine Socialist. )

[norfolkngoode]

Keith Fisher who presumably scratched out a living as an Elvis impersonator.

Would that be the slim 1950s/60s Elvis or would he go for the white jump suit bloated Elvis of the 1970s. (Why do all Elvis impersonators seem to go for that look)

Utterly bizarre.................. Only in Hartlepool.

Sorry Perseus couldnt help myself!

[Wilton]

Perseus, you talk about genuine socialists but would it be better to simply wish for a set of genuine people who have some of the attributes you mentioned above?

How many of our councillors have achieved anything positive worthy of note outside of office?

I bet some of their CVs would be a joke, sure there are a few who have decent degrees but put them through a set of tests like Alan Sugars apprentices get and most would struggle to get past the first week.

In fact scrap ballots and next time round we'll have a game of councillor idol where they take to the stage and pitch to a pis*ed up crowd. I'll get the tall ships team to organise it.

[beanzontoast]

It does seem my day for apologising for my genuine wrong choice of words, while I stand by my words of you are an all round good guy and articulate, I really did not wish to know what you did during the day, the main thrust of my reasoning was, if you don`t participate in anything, then you cant have an opinion on anything, nor a vote, clearly you exercise both when it suits, but deny the process, while at the same time still involve yourself with politics, it is therefore reasonable to assume the residents of the headland, and UKIP when you were a member found your ideas of none participation a little out there, or to use an electronics term ( Fuzzy Logic ) ah well it`s their loss is what I say.

[steveL]

I couldn't agree less. If you follow that logic, then there is no role for any opposition in the council chamber and I would suggest that now, more than ever, opposition is critical - the people of Hartlepool deserve nothing less.

I will give my own example.

Labour and their Tory allies were always going to win the vote banning supplementary questions and changing the way that even one question could be submitted. It was opposed by PHF and the Independents as well as Brash and Hargreaves.

As a matter of fact, those involved opposed it very well and as a result it received massive coverage in The Mail and, obviously, on here. It led to a large number of letters on the Mail's letters page and comments on their website.

As a result, Labour have struggled to explain themselves, made worse by Ged hall's absurd phone call and there are now a lot of people out there who now know about Labour's attempts to stifle public scrutiny and the issue has become a significant part of the present public inquiry.

To sit back and allow the vote to go through unchallenged would have allowed Labour to avoid any of that.

Winning the vote isn't everything. A lot can be achieved by simply being prepared to fight the battle.

[fred c]

The Opportunity for PHF Councillors to ask probing & pertinent questions of the LabCon Alliance is the biggest single weapon against "The Mob" ( Along with HTH) it does open up to the public the self serving attitude to the way this town is being governed.

Its a pity Cllr Wells & "His Party"..... roflmao..... don`t feel it neccessary to ask questions of the opposition.......... its a matter of.... Which way do you want us to vote on this Christopher.... How should we vote on that Christopher..... How many bags should we Fill Christopher

[mk1]

Cameron ditches drinking and smoking curbs from the Queens Speech.....
Mini-me Ray blocks curbs on late night drinking........
They are all in the Brewer's pockets.

[marky]

Wasn't it Brashy/Lauderdale who produced the report to curb late night drinking? Under the new Junta that's quite enough to sink it without trace.