Straight Talking (new Labour leader)

[The Shadow]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16812185
Actung! - May upset tax payers

[mk1]

All those benefits bar one are paid to people in work.
From my (limited) look at the situation even if he was earning he would still qualify for all except jobseekers.
If the male  took  a part time job he would in all probability recieve a larger top-up amount than his present jobseekers allowance in addition to his wage.
It is also notable the bulk of the money (64 each) is for the children rather than the 2 adults (50 each)
In short a rather poor example of someone living the high life because they are unemployed.
The 'unemployment'  part of the income is  very small.


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[The Shadow]

Actually MK1 he would lose upto £100 pw JSA, £18 pw council tax benefit and £76 pw housing benefit. That's a loss of upto £194 per week in benefits. Some people don't get that for actually getting up and going to work!

If he went out and found a job paying, let's say £250 pw he'd only be approx £50 a week better off than if he stayed at home and spent his day watching Sky Movies.
The flip side of this is that I know people do go out to work for £250 pw and on top of paying the household bills (rent/morgage, council tax etc) they also have to run a car to get to work each day whilst still putting food on the table and making do with terrestrial TV, nevermind the Sky Movie package!

Don't try and tell me that this family are 'on the breadline'. Shiteys boss Chuka Umana reckons the 'breadline' is £26k pa. Mind you this is the socialist who famously buys £5k suits

[Donkey Kong]

All those benefits bar one are paid to people in work.

All of which benefits?  The ones on the link, i.e. these;
Child Benefit- yep, we get that for now but that's going to change
Child Tax Credit- nope, not available to me
JSA- nope, not available to me but I assume this is the "one" to which you referred
Council Tax Benefit- nope, again, not available to me
Housing Benefit- wow, another one not available to me

My wife and I both go to work in addition to providing for our own kids but your statement about all of those benefits bar one being available to people who work is pretty ludicrous given your intimation that everybody working can get them.

If I was ever interested enough to want to know who you are I would probably only have to drive around the town and find a house with a red flag flying above it.

[mk1]

your statement about all of those benefits bar one being available to people who work is pretty ludicrous given your intimation that everybody working can get them.

Your confusion is puzzling. I said all those benefits are available to working people. That statement is correct.
Anyone in work can apply for those benefits and (horror of horrors) all bar one are paid to people in work
Obviously it then depends on your income as to how much you get but I stand by the original claim. Anyone with 6 kids and on min wage would still qualify for  every single one of those benefits.
I also did something you never thought to do . I went to the online calculator for tax credits and  put in (roughly) his details and the amount he would get if he had a part time job was greater that the amount he now receives.
The  fake outrage is misplaced because the only  unemployment 'credit' he gets is 100 quid for his wife and himself-50 each.

If I was ever interested enough to want to know who you are I would probably only have to drive around the town and find a house with a red flag flying above it.

I on the other hand and not in the slightest bit  interested in where/how/why you live and given your neanderthal leanings I suspect I am all the better for my lack of curiousity.


Please continue with your splutter Mr Outraged  from Tunbridge Wells.....

[Donkey Kong]

your statement about all of those benefits bar one being available to people who work is pretty ludicrous given your intimation that everybody working can get them.

Your confusion is puzzling. I said all those benefits are available to working people. That statement is correct.
Anyone in work can apply for those benefits and (horror of horrors) all bar one are paid to people in work
Obviously it then depends on your income as to how much you get but I stand by the original claim. Anyone with 6 kids and on min wage would still qualify for  every single one of those benefits.

If that was what you meant in your previous post I would suggest that you should've written it better.

I don't think that you unintentionally wrote it the way that you did though.  You wanted to give the impression that the bloke in the example wasn't being overly pampered by the state so worded it exactly as you did in order to portray that message whilst being extremely economical with the truth.

Are you a politician or have you just spent too long listening to them and reading their bull***t?

[mk1]

Actually MK1 he would lose up
to £100 pw JSA, £18 pw council tax benefit and £76 pw housing benefit. That's a loss of upto £194 per week in benefits.

If you mean that his income can reduce the amount he recieves then I agree.
If you mean when he is working then those benefits cease then you are wrong.

It is a common mistake to underestimate the amount of taxpayers money used to subsidise greedy employers who pay the bare minimum wage.

[mk1]

I don't think that you unintentionally wrote it the way that you did though.

I was also on the grassy knoll as well as working of the fake lunar landscape used in the moon landing hoax.
Seriously you want to get a life. All this outrage over my simple statement of facts.
Note I made no comment on the situation being a good or bad thing. Your anger ran away with you and you read all sorts of things into my neutral retelling of the  situation.
Calm down dear.

[Donkey Kong]

Actually MK1 he would lose up
to £100 pw JSA, £18 pw council tax benefit and £76 pw housing benefit. That's a loss of upto £194 per week in benefits.

If you mean that his income can reduce the amount he recieves then I agree.
If you mean when he is working then those benefits cease then you are wrong.

It is a common mistake to underestimate the amount of taxpayers money used to subsidise greedy employers who pay the bare minimum wage.

Oh my Lordy, it's all the employers fault now.

Don't worry, when all of our industries and companies are nationalised you can pay everybody the same wage regardless of their job and reduce their working hours so that they have time to go and queue for bread.

[mk1]

Oh my Lordy, it's all the employers fault now.

You consider subsidising  ASDA  is a job for the taxpayer?

[Donkey Kong]

Oh my Lordy, it's all the employers fault now.

You consider subsidising  ASDA  is a job for the taxpayer?

No, but I do consider that people should look to live within their means and not have some great expectation for the latest hi-tech goods (computers, tellies etc), new cars and fancy holidays if they don't earn enough to pay for them.  It's a society problem of people thinking that they have a divine right to everything in my opinion.  If they want more money they should try and find a better job or should've worked harder at school.

[The Shadow]

MK1, stop repeating the same lie. If this man found work he wouldn't just lose his JSA, he would suddenly find that his Housing benefit and council tax benefit is stopped.

Until recently our largest single bill each month was our morgage. The same is probably true for most working families whether it be rent or morgage. Average private rent or morgage seems to be around £500 per month + £100 pcm for council tax, that isn't a worry for this fella though as he currently gets it paid for him and he still has a couple of hundred pounds a week spare to spend on his nights out, sky movies and crates of lager.

How about you sort that inequality out eh? You are a typical champagne socialist, born into a middle class family and kept well by your Doctor father as you went through your rebelious anti-capitalist/Thatcher years which you have obviously never grown out of.

No, but I do consider that people should look to live within their means and not have some great expectation for the latest hi-tech goods (computers, tellies etc), new cars and fancy holidays if they don't earn enough to pay for them.  It's a society problem of people thinking that they have a divine right to everything in my opinion.  If they want more money they should try and find a better job or should've worked harder at school.

Spot on Donkey Kong

[mk1]

MK1, stop repeating the same lie. If this man found work he wouldn't just lose his JSA, he would suddenly find that his Housing benefit and council tax benefit is stopped.

I do not intend to argue the point  with you and my final word on the subject is:
Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit are paid to working people.
In fact many more working people get it than unemployed people.
The  ignorance of the outraged bigot never ceases to amaze

How about you sort that inequality out eh? You are a typical champagne socialist, born into a middle class family and kept well by your Doctor father as you went through your rebelious anti-capitalist/Thatcher years which you have obviously never grown out of.

I give you 10 out of 10 for consistency-wrong every time!

Incidently you used to be able to spell correctly  and had reasonably good grammar skills. This has changed recently. You are  a shadow of your former self.............

Spot on Donkey Kong

I didn't notice it but then I am not  familiar with that particular part of his anatomy. Did it  catch on your tongue?

[The Shadow]

Some people who work part time hours would be entitled to claim SOME housing benefit and SOME council tax benefit but not, as your posts posts portray, the same full level of housing and council tax benefit.

You can deny your upbringing all you like me owld china, it won't make it true though. You are a champagne socialst, sir. Your kind bred this something for nothing culture.

[mk1]

Some people who work part time hours would be entitled to claim SOME housing benefit and SOME council tax benefit but ...............zzzzzzzzzz.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..

Sorry pal I am on to you.
Ensnare others with your 'argue-the-opposite-even-though-I-know-it-is wrong' tactics.