Anyone intending to go to next week's council meeting will find themselves separated from Councillors by a newly erected perspex screen placed between the plebs in the public seats and the great decision makers.
Apparently, all Councillors have been informed of this - well all coalition Councillors, that is. Opposition Councillors have yet to be told and will be finding it out on here, probably.
It's all hush hush, you see - so don't tell anyone. ;)
You really can't fathom out what goes through the minds of the those that come up with these ideas, the next thing you know they will be screwing the chairs down & beefing up the security in case somone or other Guffaws at the bollox that are dropped on a regular basis by the usual suspects.
Would have been cheaper and more effective to put Cranny in a cage.
Maybe the screens are there to protect the public. Can we make them airtight so the virus of Magic Roundabout politics aren't freely transmitted.
I am hoping this is some sort of joke... But as it isn't April I fear it's not.
Who the hell do these people think they are??? >:(
When you look at how some members of labour group have behaved during full council meetings, maybe the screen has been erected at the request of members of the public.
Quote from: fred c on October 19, 2016, 09: AM
When you look at how some members of labour group have behaved during full council meetings, maybe the screen has been erected at the request of members of the public.
Could it be inspired by the recent gorilla break out at London Zoo? ;)
Maybe it's to keep the sheep in also strongly suspect that this could be the first ploy in denying public access to council meetings.
Think about it - when they deny us access they can cite the need for a protective from the public as being a factor in the process of denying the public access - sneeky
Maybe it's to do with the rise of the Right wing Councillors.After all we know that Kippers are partial to a punch up. ;D
On past experiences, members of the public are more likely to be attacked by councilors, than the other way round......
Who could forget Lying Ste Akers B cancelling his Mayoral Parade from the civic to St Georges because of the threat of a public protest, as it happened, despite the presence of a Labour heavy & several police officers........ 3 men & dog felt very chuffed with themselves as a result of their actions.
I'd forgot about that little episode Fred. The word overreaction doesn't begin to cover it. I don't know what the hell he thought was going to happen to him.
This perspex screen business is taking things waaaaaay too far in my opinion. It is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a long time.. so much so that I won't believe it until I see it with my own eyes! Someone in the Kremlin needs to get some perspective.... not bloody perspex!!!
How will effect the already bad sound quality on Council films?
next stop will be a pope mobile.
Sound could be an issue and the experience will e like being at the zoo.
Take some bananas next week ?
Just having a little chuckle to myself remembering the 'alleged' stab vest at the town hall meeting! ;D ;D ;D
Bit of an update:
This reminds me a bit of Jacksons Landing in that the meeting takes place after the decision has already been made.
Taken from the Front page
Secret plans to segregate the public during council meetings have run into trouble after they were revealed by the Hartlepool Post.
The plan calls for the erection of a perspex screen between the public seating area and the rest of the council chamber 'for security reasons' and comes ahead of a seminar on councillor security to be held next week.
The Council administration is now denying that such plans exist but a reliable source has told us that the plans have been known about within the administration for two weeks and that the original intention was to have the screen in place in time for next week's full council meeting on October 27th.
Since 2013, when the council returned to a Committee System of governance, there have been a series of changes to the constitution introduced which have restricted public involvement during council meetings.
Do any other councils in our fair land have such measures in place?
So they are now pulling their 'We are innocent' face again and making out that someone is just making it up.
You couldn't make this it up!! ::)
Let me guess how this will pan out.... The perspex screen won't make a public appearance next week. During the seminar on Councillor security the issue will be raised and someone 'important' from 'outside' the council will recommend a perspex screen is erected as a safety measure. Screen will then appear at the next council meeting and will be justified with 'We are only acting on the recommendations of a very important person'.
You won't need two guesses to work out who proposed 'sectioning off' the public in council meetings.
Well if they're thinking of clamping down on security, he's my suggestion for Mr Cranney
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I don't see how this holds up. Are they going to put screens up in committee rooms too and what about neighbourhood forums?
Quote from: SRMoore on October 19, 2016, 05: PM
You won't need two guesses to work out who proposed 'sectioning off' the public in council meetings.
Well if I was a betting man I place all my money on Mad Dog Cllr James, Second place would be SAB, I don't think CAB gives a toss about the threat from the public.
I get the impression CAB has enough trouble in both his Council and his private life to be daft enough to even consider such a stupid idea.
Actually I was thinking CAB or SAB but now you come to mention it MJ does seem like the most likely option.
Quote from: Lord Elpus on October 19, 2016, 05: PM
I don't think CAB gives a toss about the threat from the public.
CAB is the only one to have actually been assaulted by a 'member of the public'.
SAB is a complete wimp frightened of his own shadow. He cocked off on his plan to hold a parade to celebrate his greatness, ducked out of the employment tribunal and ran as fast as his fat ar*se allowed him when MRA imploded. His temper tantrum in the chamber when he thought his reputation was impugned is legend. A quivering jellyfish of a man.
At the Hospital meeting he was definitely wearing something under his shirt. There was a large flat plate in the middle of his back and his already enormous girth was noticeably larger than 'normal'-he was wearing a stab-vest.
Does the Perspex carry the 'bulls**t proof' as opposed to 'bullet proof' label ?
Quote from: Lord Elpus on October 19, 2016, 05: PM
Quote from: SRMoore on October 19, 2016, 05: PM
You won't need two guesses to work out who proposed 'sectioning off' the public in council meetings.
Well if I was a betting man I place all my money on Mad Dog Cllr James, Second place would be SAB, I don't think CAB gives a toss about the threat from the public.
I get the impression CAB has enough trouble in both his Council and his private life to be daft enough to even consider such a stupid idea.
Told you that you wouldn't need a second guess.
You need a screen when Mad Dog starts swearing at you. I met her once at the railway station with the docile bloke she always has in tow. I politely told her she was mistaken in some of her actions and she immediately lost all self-control. She let forth a tirade of expletives and there was spittle flying all over the place. A foul-mouthed harridan with no self control when challenged on anything.
Oh well....... thats my question to P Devlin for next weeks council meeting up the Suwannee
"Is the screen to protect councillors from members of the public, or, to protect members of the public from councillors" ?
The LabMob have dragged the town council down to the level of an amateur pantomime.
I'm really struggling to get my head around this one. I know the Labour group contains plenty of people who have a waist size bigger than their IQ, but surely there's literally no one foolish enough to even suggest this? Let alone to actually look to implement it.
It's completely bizarre.
I say this with all seriousness and with full respect for the issue of mental health, IF a sitting councillor has genuinely suggested that we need to erect a Perspex screen (or something of that nature) between the public and the councillors, I honestly feel that person should seek professional help.
Cognitive processing of that nature is extremely worrying. I say this with 100% honesty, knowing that the Labour group read this forum, I genuinely hope someone takes the person who has suggested this to one side and says "are you alright?"
I know the regular contributors to this forum like a laugh, myself included, but if this is true, the person who came up with genuinely has my sympathy.
They obviously need professional help.
I was told it was mad dog and that she also wants to stop neighbourhood forums.
The Council becomes more Stalinist (or is that now Corbynist?) every day. "Don't do what I do, do what I say!
I always remember when the Peer review presented their intitial findings in the Grand Hotel to group leaders, the issue of Mad Dog came up and was seen by all (including Officers and the leader of the Labour Group) as being a major problem for HBC.
It was decided that progress could not be made until the Labour Group had, and I quote, 'ditched the bitch'.
One Officer commented that every Labour Group leader he'd worked with saw her as a problem but was not able to get rid of her.
Cranny could set up a security firm providing bouncers for council meetings.
Can i suggest steveL you are delusional, Perspex screens to separate the Plebs in the council chamber, you may be right, lets see shall we, if no perspex screens materalize can I suggest, you and only YOU vote in these great decision makers, which must be Labour they control the council, the committees. Need I go on, nothing will change unless you vote for it.
steveL can you tell me in simple language as i`m a simple soul what does a pleb ( your words ) look like.
For the love of God. Toms rants are starting to make less and less sense, if that's even possible given how little sense they actually make in the first place.
What are you even talking about man?
Read your message back. It's utter gibberish.
Quote from: DRiddle on October 20, 2016, 03: AM
For the love of God. Toms rants are starting to make less and less sense, if that's even possible given how little sense they actually make in the first place.
What are you even talking about man?
Read your message back. It's utter gibberish.
It could be the effects of too many sherberts.
Quote from: Lord Elpus on October 19, 2016, 09: PM
I always remember when the Peer review presented their intitial findings in the Grand Hotel to group leaders, the issue of Mad Dog came up and was seen by all (including Officers and the leader of the Labour Group) as being a major problem for HBC.
It was decided that progress could not be made until the Labour Group had, and I quote, 'ditched the b**ch'.
One Officer commented that every Labour Group leader he'd worked with saw her as a problem but was not able to get rid of her.
I don't know, so maybe you could clue me & everyone else up LE, is there a process a CEO or other senior officer can invoke to deal with an elected councillor if they overstep the mark, by being bombastic, bullying, threatening etc etc.
I know there are no sanctions that can be applied to a councillor by a monitoring officer if they are abusive to a member of the public.
Quote from: beanzontoast on October 19, 2016, 11: PM
Can i suggest steveL you are delusional, Perspex screens to separate the Plebs in the council chamber, you may be right, lets see shall we, if no perspex screens materalize can I suggest, you and only YOU vote in these great decision makers, which must be Labour they control the council, the committees. Need I go on, nothing will change unless you vote for it.
steveL can you tell me in simple language as i`m a simple soul what does a pleb ( your words ) look like.
Too Easy....
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Quote from: fred c on October 20, 2016, 07: AM
Quote from: Lord Elpus on October 19, 2016, 09: PM
I always remember when the Peer review presented their intitial findings in the Grand Hotel to group leaders, the issue of Mad Dog came up and was seen by all (including Officers and the leader of the Labour Group) as being a major problem for HBC.
It was decided that progress could not be made until the Labour Group had, and I quote, 'ditched the b**ch'.
One Officer commented that every Labour Group leader he'd worked with saw her as a problem but was not able to get rid of her.
I don't know, so maybe you could clue me & everyone else up LE, is there a process a CEO or other senior officer can invoke to deal with an elected councillor if they overstep the mark, by being bombastic, bullying, threatening etc etc.
I know there are no sanctions that can be applied to a councillor by a monitoring officer if they are abusive to a member of the public.
Yes Fred, what would happen and has happened in the past is a strong Group Leader would deal with the nasty bit of work within thier own group.
Unfortunately in Hartlepool Labour Group we have Calamity Chris in charge, a Leader who has shown time after time that he refuses to deal with Councillors within his cabal who over step the mark.
Hartlepool deserves better
told that the chamber refurbishment will cost £120,000 (sound system, projection system, new seating arrangements and the said Perspex screen
Anyone else at the meeting when the LabTor Mob balked at the suggestion that a new sound system would cost £30,000 ?
They now think it's ok to spend 4 times that........ you really can't make this stuff up.
£120,000... is someone having a laugh?! Are they gold plating the seats and microphones or something?
They don't need new seats or a perspex screen. A few thousand for a decent sound system is all that is needed. Granted, the projectors and screens are poor but how often are they used?
I really don't know where they get their figures from!!
watch out at Companies House for a new company being set up
Cranney's projection and sound supplies, purveyors of stuff for ages like
Why stop at that ? Why not go for a hologram projector and their images could appear on n the council chamber without the public having to share a space with them.
the way these clowns spend our money
NOT EVEN IN JEST bonny lad ;D