I notice that Philip Broughton is having trouble deciding if he wants to be an MP or a Councillor having decided to stand as a Councillor in Headland and Harbour as well as UKIP's candidate in the General Election. Not the smartest of moves I would have thought.
Silly man. I guess if he doesn't win as MP he hopes to scrape in as a councillor as some sort of consolation prize, which tells me that he's not really committed to either.
The two existing UKIP councillors have been a total disappointment and appear to be totally out of their depth. I can't think of anything they have done or initiated; they don't seem to have even pushed the UKIP message, whatever that is, which is the least you would have expected. The chairs they sit on have contributed more to council meetings than they have.
The way things are going, the only way Wrighty will be beaten is if the pic n mix collection of candidates opposing him are actually the same person and allowed to pool the cumulative votes.
He's from Stockton too. That's not going to help either ;D
Is this forum unbiased or is it run and moderated by PHF candidates and supporters?
I genuinely don't know; not looking to start a bun fight...
Quote from: Jim Gillespie on April 12, 2015, 08: PM
Is this forum unbiased or is it run and moderated by PHF candidates and supporters?
I genuinely don't know; not looking to start a bun fight...
I believe it is an equal opportunity 'knocking shop'. However the thrust of the forum is anti- national political Party.
It would be wrong to say it 'censors' anti-PHF comments because no one has come in for more criticism on these pages than D Riddle. He has a legion of stalkers both on here and on The Mail site. I would say no one else has been subject to such a torrent of (unwarranted) abuse and thus the site can in no way be said to be biased. It might be that the PHF people outnumber the others but there is no bar on insulting PHF.
The cheque did not clear until Saturday by the way. I will see you Monday.
The forum has been running for over 13 years and so is a lot older than PHF. I'm a member of PHF and am standing as a candidate. As for the other people involved, the only thing I can say with certainty is that there aren't presently any UKIPers involved in running the whole site but that doesn't mean there won't be one at some stage. If Farage turns out to be an expert on DDOS attacks then I'm sure he'd be more than welcome.
I know that you're telling everyone to vote UKIP, Jim, but I only hope that you have someone better to offer than the two dormice you've already landed us with neither of whom have contributed a thing in the last 12 months other than some extraordinary gaffs.
Tom Hind, for example, blurted out that he thought ward budgets were 'a good way to buy votes' while George Springer's only contribution of note was to suggest that a new bungalow development would be used to house immigrants.
It's now perfectly obvious that if a discussion isn't centred around the EU, Immigrants or Muslims then they have absolutely bugger all to say.
As an aside, there was some interesting advice posted on some Facebook site from one of the Green candidates.
(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/michelle%20winspear%20tips.PNG)
More than interesting really after I listened to that Australian woman on TV today going on about how the Green Party was all about ethics.
SteveL the 2 existing UKIP councillors aren't out of their depth at all they are just stunned as to how the labour controlled council have been allowed to get away with it all for so long,we realised after the first few months of being elected , the 3 torys were with labour which made 22 votes against the rest, given those odds yes I agree a chair would have had more effect on outcomes, we try our best in committees again they have more labour delegates out voted at every turn. ukip are a nation party with local policies look at them if you wish let us get on with the task by voting for us on may 7th, running for council yourself or shut up and get out of the way. Apologies for being so blunt, but the only thing wrong with socialism is it eventually runs out of other peoples money.
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Thanks for clearing things up for me guys
Quote from: beanzontoast on April 12, 2015, 09: PM
SteveL the 2 existing UKIP councillors aren't out of their depth at all they are just stunned as to how the labour controlled council have been allowed to get away with it all for so long,we realised after the first few months of being elected , the 3 torys were with labour which made 22 votes against the rest, given those odds yes I agree a chair would have had more effect on outcomes, we try our best in committees again they have more labour delegates out voted at every turn. ukip are a nation party with local policies look at them if you wish let us get on with the task by voting for us on may 7th, running for council yourself or shut up and get out of the way. Apologies for being so blunt, but the only thing wrong with socialism is it eventually runs out of other peoples money.
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Are you seriously telling me that you weren't aware that Labour had a majority in the council before you found yourself sitting in the council chamber and that it took
'a few months' to realise that the Tories voted with Labour? You are only confirming what I suspected in that you are all about the EU, Immigration and Muslims i.e. national issues and are clueless when it comes to local Hartlepool politics.
PHF and other Independents face the same Labour/Tory majority as you but have been far more effective in setting the agenda and in putting Labour under pressure. You guys seem to have realised for the first time that Labour had a majority and promptly threw the towel in there and then.
Oh and as for the "
look at them if you wish let us get on with the task by voting for us on may 7th, running for council yourself or shut up and get out of the way." bit, for God's sake read the candidate list - or are you unaware of that too?
I tell you now, Eric Wilson would not have proven to be such a wuss.
I have to be honest; I think the same thing.
Why oh why chose a lad from Stockton who has some idiotic videos on YouTube?
It has to be someone from Hartlepool to be in with any hope of beating Wright
My point was the 2 UKIP councillors were only elected in May, lets see how it goes on may 7th , the way I see it PHF have been as ineffective as UKIP in the chamber and they have been there much longer.
'PHF as ineffective as UKIP in the chamber'? :o :o
What a load of bollox.
Have you ever been to a meeting in the chamber?
Have you ever watched any of the videos posted on here?
David Riddle has set the place ON FIRE!
He has attacked with a vengeance the muppets and 'yes men' in that chamber.
He has given the fat boy palpitations with his barbed attacks on him and his style of 'leadership'.
He has thrown down the gauntlet to those opposite him in the chamber (remember his oratory on the people that have served with honour, 'those opposite have served with DISHONOUR'). Or words to that effect.
He succumb to a 'gavel attack' from the fat boy and had to (begrudgingly) retract a statement.
David Riddle has been the catalyst that has shown the general public just what a shower of lying, fiddling 'ner do wells' sit opposite him (alongside their 3 compatriots along the table from him).
Ineffective? I wish the chamber was as full of people with the scruples and welfare of this town as D. Riddle has.
Quote from: beanzontoast on April 13, 2015, 08: AM
My point was the 2 UKIP councillors were only elected in May, lets see how it goes on may 7th , the way I see it PHF have been as ineffective as UKIP in the chamber and they have been there much longer.
I make that 12 months of doing nothing and on that basis you want to see more of the same elected this time around. Well good luck with that one, mate. :o The way I read it, you're saying that you need a majority before you can do anything. I think PHF and the Independents have proven that to be wrong. There's a thread on this forum with 2549 views about the Mayor being sacked and how he lied about the circumstances. You wouldn't have heard anything about that if it wasn't for PHF and the Independents.
Oi! I'm not having that!
The Mayor's Sacking story was broken by The Post and copied by The Mail a few days later. PHF/Independents took it to the council chamber granted, but you wouldn't have heard anything about it if it were not for The Post.
So why are so many shops empty in Hartlepool?
More shops than any other town or city per capita in Britain!
This alone speaks volumes for the present shower doesn't it?
It's all down to mathematics matey. The number of shops is directly proportional to the average income in the town and the amount of cash people have to spend. This is why The Vision to bring still more minimum wage, zero hour jobs to the town is such nonsense.
Most certainly we need a majority, its not important to me if it's a majority of UKIP councillors though , PHF and independents will do fine, and I have said this before I have a great deal of respect for Lilley, Brash Liddle, and others, but without any know cause Driddle comes out with a statement like I despise everything UKIP stands for if he read the manifesto he would see many common sense policy's which many people nationally agree with, it would seem PHF can't get on with anyone apart from the independants.
I agree with you there b on t; It is a bit of a silly statement to say everything UKIP stands for is despised.
What is wrong in having an immigration system like Australia?
I don't hear the rest of the world having a go at them for that policy.
How can we keep absorbing millions into our small island and the impact it has on welfare, schools etc.
Labour, who opened the floodgates, have admitted it was wrong for them to do what they did.
They now say to allow so many in was WRONG.
So why, when someone from UKIP says it, are they pilloried and smeared 'racist'?
Is it so wrong to be concerned about radical Muslims when a father can go on tv and blame the police and MI5 for not 'taking care' of his daughter and her travel to Syria, when all along HE was going to fundamentalist rallies, burning the American flag, shouting for Sharia law in the UK, AND TAKING HIS 13 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER WITH HIM! Is it any wonder she ended up radicalised?
That is why people across the UK and most non Muslim countries across the world, voice concerns about Muslims.
Even the placid 'family type' appear to harbour dark secrets.
I don't worry for myself, I worry for my grandchildren.
Quote from: grim reaper on April 13, 2015, 11: AM
That is why people across the UK and most non Muslim countries across the world, voice concerns about Muslims.
Even the placid 'family type' appear to harbour dark secrets.
I don't worry for myself, I worry for my grandchildren.
I am very concerned about the future, not only in the UK but worldwide too:
Video Removed
Admin,
Why on earth would you remove a video about muslim demographics when all it does it state the actual numbers of muslims throughout the world???
Even The Hartlepool Mail DID NOT remove this video when I uploaded it onto the comments section.
I thought this forum told it as it is?
Maybe not after all.........
Admin: The video clearly had one motive and was designed to instil unnecessary fear. If you knew your history, then you would perhaps have realised that the video was based on a well known Joseph Goebbels production in the 30s and such videos, designed to promote hatred, have no place on this site.
There are none so blind as those that cannot see.
When the last Labour government were in power, anyone who DARED mention immigration was branded a racist. Of course, now he is trying to get back into No 10, Milliband openly admits they were wrong and has apologised publicly for doing so.
Now, on this very forum, anyone who dares mention the shifting demographics of either the UK or the EU is inciting hatred???
In the words of Victor Meldrew..............I don't believe it!
Steve,
The screenshot you have posted of a comment made on Facebook was taken out of context.
I was also contributing on that thread and a number of us were taking the p*** out of how paranoid the ToHC group was. That comment was 100% humour/sarcasm.
FWIW - Hartlepool can afford to have a s*** MP with a good council, however it can't afford to have a s*** MP AND a s*** council. For me the problems in this town reside firmly in Victoria Road.
The Greens mask slipped James, best to just accept they were rumbled.
This thread seems to be jumping around across a load of topics.
No David it hadn't at all.
I could go and copy the entire thread if you want but it would run to over 30 pages and posting that might be deemed a bit nutty.
Speaking of clever stuff like IP cloaking etc etc etc It would be handy, since I'm now an accepted member of this community again if the IP block against my home network was removed.
Quote from: Balotelli on April 14, 2015, 08: AM
Steve,
The screenshot you have posted of a comment made on Facebook was taken out of context.
I was also contributing on that thread and a number of us were taking the p*** out of how paranoid the ToHC group was. That comment was 100% humour/sarcasm.
Really. Hacking into other people's web sites is also a criminal offence. Sites like this one that have frequently been subject to politically motivated DDOS attacks will struggle to see the joke.
I see your point, but given the context of the entire conversation and the fact that Michelle's 'advice' was not something that would even work it's clear to all who were involved in that conversation that she was joking.
I suspect somebody fancied making trouble for her campaign and saw a chance.
I've known Shel for a long time and regard her as not only a capable candidate, but someone who would wipe the floor with most current councillors in debate.
Quote from: Balotelli on April 14, 2015, 11: AM
I see your point, but given the context of the entire conversation and the fact that Michelle's 'advice' was not something that would even work it's clear to all who were involved in that conversation that she was joking.
That may be the case, but not everyone on the internet is Tech Savvy , so might think it's possible & that she's condoning it ;)
QuoteI see your point, but given the context of the entire conversation and the fact that Michelle's 'advice' was not something that would even work it's clear to all who were involved in that conversation that she was joking.
I suspect somebody fancied making trouble for her campaign and saw a chance.
I've known Shel for a long time and regard her as not only a capable candidate, but someone who would wipe the floor with most current councillors in debate.
It doesn't matter if she's Barack Obama, she won't get in on a Green ticket in Manor House. In fact, I'll be surprised if she gets 50+ votes.
oh I think we can definitely say that she wouldn't get in in Manor House if she was Barack Obama
It is most exellent for so many to have an interest in politics, in an attemot not to give Labour an easy ride, I wish to thank you all for your Stirling effort, from whichever party you support, my only observation is why do so many wish to be part of local issue groups.
Quote from: beanzontoast on April 14, 2015, 03: PM
It is most exellent for so many to have an interest in politics, in an attemot not to give Labour an easy ride, I wish to thank you all for your Stirling effort, from whichever party you support, my only observation is why do so many wish to be part of local issue groups.
If the people we voted for to represent us, actually represented us & tried to make Hartlepool a better place for all of us, then I doubt there would be as many people or as many parties trying to make a change ;)
Quote from: beanzontoast on April 14, 2015, 03: PM
It is most exellent for so many to have an interest in politics, in an attemot not to give Labour an easy ride, I wish to thank you all for your Stirling effort, from whichever party you support, my only observation is why do so many wish to be part of local issue groups.
Because local issues matter and getting yourself elected as a councillor on the back of issues which can only be resolved nationally is a waste of a council seat.
Quote'PHF as ineffective as UKIP in the chamber'? :o :o
What a load of bollox.
Have you ever been to a meeting in the chamber?
Have you ever watched any of the videos posted on here?
David Riddle has set the place ON FIRE!
He has attacked with a vengeance the muppets and 'yes men' in that chamber.
He has given the fat boy palpitations with his barbed attacks on him and his style of 'leadership'.
He has thrown down the gauntlet to those opposite him in the chamber (remember his oratory on the people that have served with honour, 'those opposite have served with DISHONOUR'). Or words to that effect.
He succumb to a 'gavel attack' from the fat boy and had to (begrudgingly) retract a statement.
David Riddle has been the catalyst that has shown the general public just what a shower of lying, fiddling 'ner do wells' sit opposite him (alongside their 3 compatriots along the table from him).
Ineffective? I wish the chamber was as full of people with the scruples and welfare of this town as D. Riddle has.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHCdKb5UWc
Quote from: steveL on April 14, 2015, 04: PM
Quote from: beanzontoast on April 14, 2015, 03: PM
It is most exellent for so many to have an interest in politics, in an attemot not to give Labour an easy ride, I wish to thank you all for your Stirling effort, from whichever party you support, my only observation is why do so many wish to be part of local issue groups.
Because local issues matter and getting yourself elected as a councillor on the back of issues which can only be resolved nationally is a waste of a council seat.
I totally agree with the quote in bold above. The point of being a councillor is to represent local people on local issues. Although, I'm not sure if beanzontoast is referring to the general election and/or the local elections in his comment above. It is not clear.
I personally feel that at this point in time the local elections are far more important than the general election. It is crucial that the right people
for the town are elected to the council before the LabCons do anymore damage. However, unfortunately there is going to be a serious problem with vote splitting in a few wards. I am not wishing to name names but I feel if some candidates had the best interests of the town at heart they would have decided not to stand on this occasion for the good of the town. It wouldn't have hurt to wait a year for another opportunity.
Anyway, going back to the original topic of this thread I would be very surprised if Philip Broughton was elected in either capacity in May. By standing in both the general and local elections he has weakened his chances of both. I would be interested to know who came up with that little plan.... doh :o
I agree with a lot of what foggy said. The frustrating thing is there is still a mind set amongst the national parties that you need the 'logo' on both the GE ballot slip and all the 11 local ones.
This (without going into too much detail) has, I suspect, been the 'deal breaker' in terms of any cross party negotiation.
Both UKIP and the Greens (I would suspect) are adamant they need their logos on all 11 wards to help their GE candidates overall vote.
I don't see it that way. Take Mr Picton as an example. He could pull anywhere between 2,000-7,000 in my view in the GE. Presumably those 2,000-7,000 people will also vote in the local elections. Their votes obviously can't go to Mr Picton's party... because he doesn't have one. But those votes are going to go SOMEWHERE.
By the same logic UKIP, the Greens and others should have trusted the electorate to make a choice at national level and potentially another choice at local level.
When the Conservatives got 10,000+ votes in the previous general election there's no way they could have got the same or even anywhere near that kind of number at local level.
People can and do distinguish between the two.
It's a shame that UKIP and others didn't realise that. If they HAD, the chances of Labour losing more seats on the 7th would be a lot higher.
It is a shame that some sort of agreement couldn't be reached but I guess that was impossible when some parties have their own agenda.
I find it disappointing (that's putting it politely) that the Tories seem to field a number of candidates in local elections who it appears have no desire to be, or intention of being, a Councillor (I think we probably know who we are talking about). They are just there to put that Tory logo on the ballot paper and/or take votes away from others. In last year's local elections, Andrew Martin-Wells stood for the Tories in Foggy Furze and gained 208 votes. I did not receive a single leaflet from him or any form of communication to demonstrate the fact that he wanted to represent the residents in the council chamber. I feel that fielding candidates to 'make up the numbers' or for other unscrupulous reasons is just taking the p*** out of the electorate. That's why I can't understand why these people get so many votes.
I realise this is something which has gone on for years but it doesn't make it right.
While I take everyone's point on local issues they are indeed important and very much my foremost concern, it is however incumbent on all political parties to contest as many seats as possible at a local level, and many policies at a national level have an impact at local level, examples would be the bedroom tax, UKIP want it abolished, hospital car parking, abolished, business rates reduced, this list is not exhaustive and there are many local issues , UKIP would not have allowed the Mayor to remain in post, we would not allow the 3 Torys to fool their electorate, we would make sure a referendum on the merger with teesside, none of this would be possible if labour continue to control the council after May 7th, and whether you agree or not if it wasn't for the rise of UKIP Cameron would not have been pushed into giving a referendum on the EU.