Know doubt we'll be publishing the real story in due course but in the meantime you'll have to make do with this.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/health/hartlepool-mp-cheered-by-crunch-hospital-talks-with-jeremy-hunt-1-7136722
The Mail at its most vomit inducing!
Basically nothing has changed, the same politicians were driving the bus then, that are going to be driving the bus now....... we will end up at the same destination.
An awful lot of people in Hartlepool will see this as nothing more than cynical electioneering plain & simple.
Quote"Mr Hunt said that we all need to work together with the council, the local clinical commissioning group, the Trust, and the people of Hartlepool, to come up with a credible plan on how services can be delivered. We will be getting the ball rolling at once."
Well, The people of Hartlepool have a credible plan we just need you to act on our behalf and pronto!
Deja vu folks! We all know the REAL Agenda taking place across the nation!
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153123850789761&set=vb.21263239760&type=2&theater
So, to all the above mentioned we will keep fighting for OUR hospital services.
''It will last as long as there are folk left to fight for it'' Aneurin Bevan!
Your political spin on words is just that... SPIN! We know it and I/we will not be taken in by it or worn down by it
Did we really expect more than an exercise in electioneering?
Via Facebook, here's Paul Thompson's account of yesterday's meeting with Jeremy Hunt; varies somewhat from the Mail's version? ???
Just in case anyone missed it. Here is Seaton Councillor Paul Thompson's account of the meeting with Mr Hunt:
Good Evening Everyone - Sorry for the delay in posting this, my phone battery died just after sitting on the returning train and I have only just arrived home. I am quite frankly gobsmacked by the Hartlepool Mail's reporting of tonight's meeting. They clearly had a quick chat with Mr Wright after the meeting and took it all as fact.
A few points that I will make now regarding the meeting (it's a bit long this so please bear with me) -
1) Mr Hunt has agreed to make an immediate referral to Monitor (the Health Watchdog) regarding the Management and Leadership of the Trust. However, this was nothing to do with Mr Wright's interventions but down to ME flagging up the high mortality rates within the trust and the concern of local residents.
2) Mr Hunt informed us that he does not have powers to remove the trust leadership. The only body that does is Monitor. Fingers crossed that Monitor share our concerns, the evidence is overwhelming. He said that they can only remove the leadership if they have poor leadership / governance or in breach of their Foundation Licence.
3) Cllr Jonathan James Frederick Brash had prepared a letter for Mr Hunt as he was unable to attend which detailed some really good points articulately. Fairplay to Cllr Chrissy Akers Belcher as he presented that letter on his behalf (Jonathan, do you want to paste that letter below as I think many people will be encouraged by the points?)
4) Mr Hunt said that more powers are being devolved to local CCG's and they will be the financial power base and commission the work of the Trust. It was suggested that HBC works with Stockton Borough Council and the Clinical Commissioning Group to develop a local Health Plan that benefits both Hartlepool and Stockton residents and represents their wishes. Once developed, whatever that may look like, and presented to the Department of Health it would likely be given a positive reply. In basic terms, if Stockton and Hartlepool Councils develop an equitable plan and is supported by the CCG, then it will happen. He clearly said that CCGs are in the driving seat of change and hold 'lots' of money which in turn funds hospital services.
5) Mr Hunt was asked "what was the current situation with the formal referral to him from Hartlepool Council?". He said that he was still awaiting a reply from the Independent Reconfiguration Panel. One of his aides said that he would chase this up.
6) Importantly, Mr Hunt said that 'centralised services' have had their day and that other options like district and local hospitals are the way forward, along with people being treated at home. He said that the NHS 5 year plan supports this view and was happy to go on record saying this.
7) I tried my hardest to not like Mr Hunt and I failed. He was a very articulate and astute man who clearly knocks spots of our Mr Wright. He was very honest and frank but also supportive and listening. He told us a story about a letter that he had received from a Hartlepool resident that detailed a harrowing 'care' situation received at North Tees. He said that he was so affected by it, he actually phoned Alan Foster himself to 'discuss' it. I have to be honest and say that he impressed me !
8) Mr Hunt appeared a little frustrated with Mr Wright's interruptions and I don't blame him. We were asking Mr Hunt for answers and not Mr Wright. Personally, I did not travel a 500 mile round trip to listen to Mr Wright.
9) Mr Hunt's facial expressions when Cllr Stephen Akers-Belcher was giving his 'input' were fantastic. He as clearly never met someone like Stephen before. (Make of that what you wish)
10) Cllr Loynes appeared to enjoy the journey home with 2 x Cllr Akers Belchers. I say 'appeared' as they were sitting in a different coach from myself, Cllr Dawkins and Cllr Hind but they looked like they were laughing / plotting
In short – there is some positivity about the future and how EVERYONE could have a part to play in reshaping healthcare in Hartlepool (and Stockton), but the end result is that there will be no overnight return of services to Hartlepool Hospital (that is, unless Monitor decide to sack Mr Foster and Mr Garvin' :)
I understand the SCAB's and Loyne's travelled first class, (shoulder the shoulder my ar**) says it all really.
HBC has always had the opportunity to ask the Clinical Commissioning Group to site key services in Hartlepool. However, they have always supported the actions of the NT&H NHS Trust (in my opinion).
Thank God Thompson was there.
'Mr Hunt's facial expressions when Cllr Stephen Akers-Belcher was giving his 'input' were fantastic. He as clearly never met someone like Stephen before'. A Tory Minister? I'm sure he has or things must have changed significantly since Mandy's day.
I can just imagine Hunt mentioning SAB to 'Big Eric' Pickles over a cuppa, as one does, One thing for certain he won't forget him in a hurry.
Poor Jeremy. I bet it was all he could do to keep a straight face whilst the two clowns wobbled into the room. He must have been thinking it was a set-up and he would appear later on YouTube as the subject of a Candid Camera type stunt.
I am sure SAB got his points across in between all the 'errm...errmm' pauses. I hear Hunt asked him why he was inhaling so much Helium!
No doubt the fat one will bore us all to death with constant references to his 'meatun' with Hunt.
Let us hope he keeps up this sparkling performance at the looming tribunal over the fact he lied about going to a relative's funeral when he was out judging a Fairy Cake competition.
Looking forward to Angie's trial and the confirmation SAB is a liar. Very interesting times just around the corner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krD4hdGvGHM
On a lighter note I see the Mail saw fit to remove a comment on SAB's Boxing Story. A very clever pun on the word 'ring'. I laughed anyway!
Quote Mk1 'A very clever pun on the word 'ring'. I laughed anyway!'
Lets hope we don't see him pounding his opponent around the ring in the first round.
Quote from: Lord Elpus on March 04, 2015, 02: PM
Lets hope we don't see him pounding his opponent around the ring in the first round.
Disturbing! :o
I see some sort of 'comic' came through some Hartlepool doors today.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/qqr1y1.jpg)
Don't know what's happened to the picture but I'm sure you get the idea. I can scan the whole thing if anyone would like me to. Talk about delusional. ::)
Notice how they have tried to clone the Mail. They really are worried over this one.
Someone messaged me to say that I get a mention in the Labour rag pictured above? Something about the remarks I made about the motion to pull out of the trust or something? Can anyone confirm that?
It must be panic stations. Labour are getting absolutely pulled apart on the very powerful force that is 'social media'. I personally think these leaflets will back fire. There surely isn't a person left in the town daft enough to think Labour give a damn about Hartlepool Hospital?
Is there?
I'm afraid you are wrong there David, they care very much about the Hospital.
Well they will until May 8th
Quote from: DRiddle on March 04, 2015, 07: PM
Someone messaged me to say that I get a mention in the Labour rag pictured above? Something about the remarks I made about the motion to pull out of the trust or something? Can anyone confirm that?
It says: (the bits in bold are exactly the same as in the fairy story in the leaflet)
Monday 16th February 2015 there was a deliberate attempt by opposition Councillors, including those from Putting Hartlepool First & Independents, to put our most vulnerable children and adults at risk of harm. This was attempted through a motion to full council that would have cut all ties with the Hospital Trust, which would have stopped the safeguarding of children, the frail and the elderly.
The proposer of the motion, as reported in the Hartlepool Mail website said
"I do not know the financial, legal and political ramifications of such a proposal, but frankly, I don't care."
Is this really putting Hartlepool FIRST? No matter how difficult our fight becomes we will always do everything in our power to protect residents and act within the law. To do anything else in shameful.
Your Labour Councillors pledge to continue the fight for the return of hospital services to Hartlepool. We know the strength of feeling of residents in demanding the return of hospital services and together we can win that fight.
Already we are lobbying the Future Labour Government to save the NHS when UKIP and the Tories want to destroy it.
I find it hard to believe labour nowadays, as was it not Labour councillor's who voted with regards to closing our A and E and I am sure I have seen a photo circulating of Wright in a digger at the Wynyard site.
Thanks, i've seen the full leaflet now. Ive posted it on social media, immediate big backlash against the leaflet.
Dunno which 'political spin guru' decided to put that out, but it's safe to say it wasn't Alastair Campbell.
Probably some clown with a double barrel name.
Big mistake that leaflet.
Quote from: Flump on March 04, 2015, 09: PM
I am sure I have seen a photo circulating of Wright in a digger at the Wynyard site.
I have looked long and hard for such a photo. There is one of him at the One Life site in a JCB but not Wynyard.
http://www.forum.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/index.php/topic,2334.msg25691.html#msg25691
My first post as I just had to comment on the outright lies printed in that Labour comic 'Your Hartlepool'.
''Monday 16th February 2015 there was a deliberate attempt by opposition Councillors, including those from Putting Hartlepool First & Independents, to put our most vulnerable children and adults at risk of harm. This was attempted through a motion to full council that would have cut all ties with the Hospital Trust, which would have stopped the safeguarding of children, the frail and the elderly.''
Surely, as far as I would conclude, this is libel towards D Riddle.
As for the rest of the lies/ spin, they really must be worried come May! No doubt there'll be a truck load of Andrex delivered 'somewhere' on the Brooke estate on a regular basis until then!
(http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/images/labour%202014%204%20page%20leaflet.jpg)
Who was it on behalf of, who is the agent and who printed it?
This info should be on the leaflet.
Quote from: Hartlepudlion on March 04, 2015, 11: PM
Who was it on behalf of, who is the agent and who printed it?
Promoted by Hartlepool Labour Party, printed by Atkinson Print
What does the typeface remind you of?
Quote from: Eddie Potcake on March 05, 2015, 08: AM
What does the typeface remind you of?
Strange that..... makes me wonder if they had a hand in its production ;)
Naw.........it hasn't got the NIRAMAX Logo on it. Neither is their a photos of one of the SCABs gurning at you.
There'll be lots of long winded talking and righteous posturing dragged out right up until the election.... then let's see what's really going to happen.
If Shighty is to believed? The key part of the meeting was Hunts comments, 'Hartlepool Borough Council, together with the local Clinical Commissioning Group, should be coming up with a blueprint for local health services for the town which integrates health and social care and ensures that people access their health services in the town'. 'He said that the council and the CCG "should be in the driving seat" in commissioning services'.
Let's look at the facts and recent history. The current CCG and the PCT before that have always been responsible for commissioning Health Services in Hartlepool and also the location of those services. So little has changed there.
The CCG and the PCT before that have always supported the wishes of the NT&H NHS Trust over the wishes of residents on the issue of the centralisation of key services at North Tees. The two Chairmen of the PCT were Labour Councillors, (Gerald Wistow and Steve Wallace) I would argue they both support the NT&H Trust (Chaired by Labour Councillors B Hanson and later Cllr R Hart) on every occasion when Save our Hospital where involved in the so called consultation period in the Tees Strategic Health Review. I would argue the same applies to the current CCG.
Labour Councillors have played a key role as Chairmen of the PCT in seeing hospital services leave Hartlepool. Labour Councillors Steve Ackers-Belcher and Labour Cllr Griffin collaborated with NT&H NMS Trust on the closure of A&E at Holdforth Road (Hartlepool Hospital). The opportunity to influence the PCT and the CCG has always been there.
The reality is LABOUR Councillors in various roles have been responsible for the loss of hospital services from Hartlepool for over 10 years.
Be careful not to be mislead by those who have shafted you over and over again in the past. In my experience leopards don't change their spots.
Very well said Lord Elpus. I said the same to Keith Fisher last year. The CCG are holding the strings yet not one of the Labour councillors, or Iain Wright has made any attempt to sort it out. I was advised by a number of people in a certain social media group that the issue was not political and not to discuss politics!
Twice in Westminster Iain Wright had been advised it was a local problem. It took a bus trip to London to be told again, for at least the third time that it is a local problem.
I wonder how many people will genuinely be brainwashed into believing Labour are the solution to our woes?
Apologies, it is slightly off Topic in as much as I haven`t banged the Hospital Drum, but the question was put about people being brainwashed into voting labour.
Having leafleted in the Manor Ward & spoken to people in the ward at the time of the Manor Residents Scandal I can see where Requite is coming from, It was gobsmacking to hear what some of the residents i spoke to came out with.
I spoke to around half a dozen young women outside of the hairdressers at Paddy`s shops, bearing in mind it`s within 50 yards of The Manor Residents labour citidel & Wilcox had been well & truly sussed as an out & out fraud & low life.
But even when it was common knowledge that friends & neighbours had been treated so disgracefully, they were still inclined to vote for The Mob, difficult to understand in so many ways.
I have no idea about this social media malarkey, but from what little i know about it, it has the power to influence an awful lot of people.... Maybe thats the way to get the message to all of the people that vote labour because they don`t know any better.
Let them know who it was that told lies about keeping the hospital open to get his short ar** into parliament, let them know it was a Manor Ward councillor who along with his fellow scrutiny committee members signed off on the A&E closure.
Let them know that not one single member of the labour group has apologised for the the abuse the Manor 4 had to put up with.
Let them know that hundreds of thousands of pounds that was meant for community use in the Manor Ward was mysteriously put to other uses & into other peoples pockets.
The last 2 meetings i have attended in the civic where very well populated by members of the public, almost to a man/woman.... the general feeling was absolute disgust at the way the ruling group handles local governance.
Social media does reach a wide audience.... But there is nothing like a Live Meeting to make people realise exactly what they are up against & what they need to do to combat it.
Are there any plans by the 'Independent' councillors/ PHF/ etc, to leaflet the town/ wards with 'the truth' regarding the hospital scandal and of course, plenty of other truths about the TorLab mob/ Iain Wright Wrong? How do the Indi's intend to get the message across to all the residents of Hartlepool? Labour in Hartlepool is definitely running scared at the moment, imo, as can be seen by the propaganda and lies it spins, at every opportunity, in the Mail (and recently in 'Your Hartlepool'). If we want to rid Hartlepool of the disease that is Labour, then action is needed, asap!
Might I suggest advertising hoardings as an alternative to leaflets.
One big problem PHF and the Independants (not sure about Ukip) have is finance. Without money leaflets, advertising cannot be paid for.
Labour have the backing of The Unions. We all pay for this because of the Council's insistence of using Council Tax to subsidise Union activities. The previous CEO admitted that it had cost the Council over £100,000 in one year alone. This was mainly in kind, such as cheap rent, subsidised office and IT support. A full time admin assistant was also seconded to the union. Many Labour Councillors are sponsored by unions. I can't find any published accounts of how much the unions spend on Labour's campaigns. Then there is, of course, the alleged mis-use of the Council's staff time and resources. Some comes from subscriptions.
The Conservatives get most of theirs through donations from individuals. And business. A little through subscriptions.
So if the others are going to compete they need your help. Might I suggest you all donate into a fighting fund for these guys. I am sure we can find someone to administer the fund who is honest and not one of the mob. You could even have individual Ward funds if you want to back a specific person.
Yea big billboards with A pic of SAB with a line saying this man voted for your hospital to close
then again the amount of accidents from people closing their eyes to avoid looking at him would put a large strain on the ambulance service
Quote from: Hartlepudlion on March 07, 2015, 12: PM
One big problem PHF and the Independants (not sure about Ukip) have is finance. Without money leaflets, advertising cannot be paid for.
So if the others are going to compete they need your help. Might I suggest you all donate into a fighting fund for these guys. I am sure we can find someone to administer the fund who is honest and not one of the mob. You could even have individual Ward funds if you want to back a specific person.
I would be happy to donate a reasonable amount (from my meagre income!) to a general fund in order to pay for ads/ posters, flyers, etc, (and I'll deliver the flyers!) with the hope that the publicised truth will be the catalyst to rid this town of the vermin who are, imho, deliberately bringing it to its knees! Also, the main reason for me being that every time I see pics of the Scabs and Well's faces AND haircuts, I feel physically sick! Does anyone wish to set up an independent cross party fighting fund?
One of the big problems that PHF and Independants have is that Mr and Mrs Lilley were at the meeting when it was agreed to follow the recommendations of "an expert to run our A & E down.
Quote from: pensionater on March 08, 2015, 08: AM
One of the big problems that PHF and Independants have is that Mr and Mrs Lilley were at the meeting when it was agreed to follow the recommendations of "an expert to run our A & E down.
I know I (Geoff Lilley) was at the meeting, Alison probable was as well, not sure. I was very vocal regarding the loss of A&E from Hartlepool General. So vocal that the Health Scrutiny Committee tried to get me removed from the Committee and reported my to the standards committee.
I have all the evidence to back up this statement.
It would beggar belief if this town, yet again, believed the hyperbole emanating from the torlabs and so-called MP of this town of ours.
How many times can they take the pi*s out of the electorate before they say 'enough'? >:( >:(
Our so-called MP states if the A & E doesn't return, he wants a hospital at Wynyard. :o
His 'leader' in London has stated if Labour get in at the election, he doubts they will have the money for a new hospital at Wynyard! :o
Don't those two talk about our massive problem regarding the safety of the people in Hartlepool and South Durham? ::)
Is our so-called MP such a minute cog in the gears of Westminster he can't manage an audience with Milliband? ::)
The Labour voters of this town hold the key to ridding us of the worst, self-serving 'politicians' ever. I hope they finally see the light.
The NHS safe in the hands of Labour?
Ask them in Cumbria, Wales, Stafford etc. Multiple deaths whilst we had a Labour govt. and Andy Burnham at the helm! >:(
They keep banging on how Labour introduced the NHS to the UK and only Labour care about it.
It was a Liberal that came up with the idea of a national health service in 1942. (Beveridge Report).
The following white paper was 'designed' by the CONSERVATIVE govt. in 1944 and pre final Bill was passed by none other than Winston Churchill, before he was 'deposed' in 1945.
The final Bill was put to Parliament by A. Bevan in 1946.
Ergo, the preceding work, carried out by a Conservative govt. on a National Health Service was simply ratified by Bevan and Labour.
Not, as most duplicitous Labour politicians would have you believe, 'invented' by Bevan and Labour. :(
With the choice of candidates on May 7th, I only hope we get an indication of who's 'in front' prior to placing the cross, as that is the person I'm going for...be it the taxi driver or whoever...except, of course, the bloated incumbent.
This election could be the most important election EVER in our town, PLEASE rid it of the deceitful liars presently resident at the trough.
Are the Labour party giving us a man for all seasons....? Wrighty says on thing, Burnham another and Millband the all covering vague answer..... so they promise us eveything and nothing....... the pick n mix option for the deluded.
All they have to do is kerp talking twaddle till the finishing line in May... there are plenty of mugs out there who would carry on voting Labour out of reflex devoid of thought.
Hartlepudlion, it is quite difficult for smaller political party's to get their message across due to funding much of it has to come from the local branch, but UKIP have a very good leaflet regarding hospitals and how it was Labour who privatised the hospitals. The PFI funding is the real reason for hospitals needing more money of course labour who introduced it don't want this particular elephant in the room. Labour says the NHS is only safe in their hands what about Wales and the NHS the welsh NHS is in meltdown and this without any involvement with the coalition in England.
Whilst accepting the the present MP is fighting for his existence (this is slightly off thread but relevant I feel ) he clearly has the ear of the Mail. Has everybody seen the sickly picture of him in Camerons Brewery (tonights Mail) holding a pint nearly as big as himself. He is claiming credit for keeping the price of a pint down following the budget. The Trade seem to support him on this subject but seem to forget that the last Labour Government set the Alcohol duty escalator to rise with inflation. How convenient is a bout of amnesia when you are a hypocrit.....Cheers.!!!