Just when you think they couldn't get any lower......
http://www.hartlepoolpost.co.uk
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http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/local/hartlepool-mayor-insists-he-will-not-resign-over-role-in-crisis-hit-charity-1-5895443
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/local/hartlepool-s-mayor-resigns-from-under-fire-manor-residents-association-over-lack-of-transparency-1-5829211
I think we are engaged in a game of semantics here as people try to squirm out from their responsibilities. It looks like people are trying to say that there is a difference between being a board member and being a Trustee
So the search is on for references to them being Trustees. Any offers?
Is it perhaps the TRUST part of trustee that is getting them confused?
Are you sure he didn't say they have never been trustworthy ?
The picture of his car parked outside that has been used by the Mail is a bit of a give away.
Everything people need to know is here. Trustees and 'the Board' are essentially one and the same thing so Beck has just dug himself a little deeper into the hole he is already in. He's now lied in full council.
https://www.gov.uk/running-charity/trustee-role-board
Don't you just love it when hapless Labour councillors open their traps and start to produce noise.
Might this be the same Paul Beck who was in asda last week sniveling around Crackers-Belcher. The sheer brown-nosing is enough to knock you sick.
Maybe we could give "what the heck" beck a shovle and whilst he is digging himself a deeper hole he may end up digging them all a hole they can all get in.
Becks getting it in the neck.
But what the heck
Its only councillor beck
So go and Feck
Is this the first of many backside to fall out now that Angelina Ballerina has finally been charged, if as he has said in full council, he was not a trustee of mra, why has he left it until this late date to come out with that information.
Was Beck speaking on behalf of SAB or did he include him in his statement to council to bolster his own denial of his position at mra, surely SAB should have made his position clear at the same time as Beck ?
Have the legal & financial responsibilities just hit home to him & SAB ?
The People of Hartlepool deserves better than these self serving individuals masquerading as Councillors.
What will it take for the decent Members of Hartlepool Labour group to regain control of their party from the gang of four. They seem happy to sit back and watch them ruin their party's standing and their own reputations?
I know there are more scandals to be made public concerning this shower, do the decent thing and regain control of your party from these people and save this town from any more humiliation.
There is a theme here.....
Beck denies being a trustee
Beck denies knowing about Gypsy meeting
Beck denies Hart Ward the chance of voting on his performance as a cllr by not standing next May.
Beck denies Jean Robinson is the most useless cllr ever
He's obviously been having long chats with Peter Devlin over MRA to find some "wriggle room'
If these two weren't trustees then who were?
If Beck wasn't a Trustee then why did he feel the need to resign from the position? What a d*c**e*d
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/local/another-hartlepool-councillor-resigns-from-troubled-manor-residents-association-1-5838127
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"I can confirm that Mr Stephen Akers-Belcher and Mr Paul Beck both appear as trustees on the 31st March 2012 Annual Return form."
Charity Commission July 11th, 2013
I think that's what known as being completely screwed :o
combine the comment from SteveL with the video of Beck making his statement, open and shut case for him to go now.
Quote from: Alnwickist on October 31, 2014, 01: PM
combine the comment from SteveL with the video of Beck making his statement, open and shut case for him to go now.
I can see a man who lied about the Gypsy meeting falling on his sword when caught out in another lie!
Retribution is coming down the line. It may have taken a while but the engine is fired and is starting to roll down the line. By my reckoning the trial should be before the May elections. Angie is not one to go down without blaming everyone else so handsome Steve is in for a really rough time. Notice how he has ducked out of the firework display this year. He is so terrified of being booed again he did the usual. Just like he cancelled his parade, just like when he ran away from MRA. The man has no backbone and flees in terror at the merest hint of any criticism. Get used to it because a sh*itload is coming your way.
Soon be your turn Paul
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Quote from: steveL on October 31, 2014, 11: AM
"I can confirm that Mr Stephen Akers-Belcher and Mr Paul Beck both appear as trustees on the 31st March 2012 Annual Return form."
Charity Commission July 11th, 2013
The above statement from the Charity Commision is amplified by the words of Clr Beck himself in an article in the Hartlepool Mail.
"Coun Beck, a Hart Ward councillor, said: "Following recent events and after a great deal of thought I have made the decision to resign my position of board member of Manor Residents' Association"I couldn`t attend the council meeting on Thursday 29/10/4 so i didn`t hear Clr Becks denial of his Trusteeship of MRA....
If he did openly make that statement he has in effect "Lied To Council" & as such should be reported to the Borough Solicitor.Its an oft mentioned truism........ to be a good liar, you need to have a good memory.... Its now all to obvious that members of "The TorLab Mob" appear to be suffering from "Memory Loss"
To what end, Fred? When you've reached the point when the Chief Executive won't even comment on one councillor threatening another then we don't have a properly functioning council anymore.
http://youtu.be/gd5p3YlhlBE
Councillor Beck's statement:
http://youtu.be/kfDr1wNNIEY
"Thank You Chair. Chair, I would just like to say in reply to Councillor Thompson, er..myself and Stephen Akers-Belcher were not legally Trustees of that organisation and for my part I have never ever been interviewed by the Police nor any ruling body whatsoever and I've done absolutely nothing wrong. My conscience is perfectly clear. Thank You.".
The Charity Commission e-mail clearly stating that Paul Beck was a Trustee.
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The camera is very good but I think a decent directional mike is a needed.
Given the way smarmy Beck answered I think they are going to claim that whilst they were down on paper as Trustees they never filled out the paperwork properly and thus were not correctly registered as such. Given the ramshackle way the place was run it is entirely possible. It des not absolve SAB and Beck though. They believed they were trustees and thus failed in a spectacular fashion.
Beck is another spineless jellyfish who knows he is out in May so jumps ship so as to avoid the humiliation of coming bottom of the polls.
I think you're missing the point made by someone else mk1. Beck is claiming he was never a trustee. If that's the case then what exactly was he resigning from last July as that pic you posted shows perfectly. The charity commission had them registered as trustees, they thought they were trustees (enough to have to resign) and it's only now when people start talking responsibilities and liabilities that they're trying to deny it. It's sickening.
Quote from: marky on October 31, 2014, 06: PM
I think you're missing the point made by someone else mk1. Beck is claiming he was never a trustee.
Time will tell. I think they are going to try and evade responsibility on a technical point.
I didn't think anyone was videoing the meeting; there's was no tripod in the corner as usual. So I think the quality is pretty good considering the circumstances. You have to remember that the whole thing isn't exactly being welcomed. I gather the guys have already been told off for panning and zooming (which isn't allowed I gather ::))
Anyway, people are doing it for good intentions and right now, I think Beck is rather wishing they hadn't ;)
From were I am standing I think they all need to be voted out.
Not only is Clr Beck clearly telling lies but by his silence so is the mayor.
The mayor could have spoken up as chair and corrected Clr Beck, why didn't he.? ( rhetorical question)
I hope they are voted out of office and are brought to justice for their part in this.
Quote from: steveL on October 31, 2014, 03: PM
To what end, Fred? When you've reached the point when the Chief Executive won't even comment on one councillor threatening another then we don't have a properly functioning council anymore.
Your right Steve, there is hardly any point in adopting the correct approach to the local democratic process, our council is broken & unfortunately it will be extremely difficult to put it right.
Having said that, by following the proper procedures it shows up the faults that are endemic within our council even more, i have just watched the video of last nights meeting & was expecting to hear from our elected officers.... what i did hear was the Borough Solicitor spending about 50% of the meeting explaining why we, the public can`t hear what our councilors have to say on the important issues that face the town at this time.
HBC is a complete laughing stock & the only way to fix it is to seek an independent inquiry into the way our council is run.
Can we, as members of the electorate expect that any such inquiry will be implemented any time soon ??????............. Of course not.
Only In Hartlepool & Only Under The Mob
He wasn't there. The question being put by Thompson was:
""Given the facts that:
1) a recent story in the Hartlepool Mail this week that Lynda Gooding, a former employee of Manor Residents Association who is owed thousands of pounds, has decided to leave Hartlepool, a town that she once loved due to the effect and stress that the situation has had on her health
2) now the manager of the said organisation being charged with conspiracy to steal, two counts of false accounting and three counts of fraud
3) the Hartlepool Mail reporting that "an audit review carried out by Hartlepool Borough Council had led to officials making a referral to the police" therefore officers of this authority could be called as witnesses for the prosecution, the same council which you are chair of.
4) You were a trustee of the organisation when these alleged incidents all took place, and charity law states that you share responsibility for any wrongdoing.
Have you given any further consideration to the motion debated at the Extraordinary meeting and therefore standing down? "
...but before it could be asked, Stephen Akers-Belcher, as Council Chair, did a runner claiming that it was a continuation of the question asked on the 13th. The Chair was handed over to that stalwart of impartiality, Carl Richardson, who started off by saying that he personally thought the question was 'out of order'. How's that for neutrality?
Are "Handsome Ste & Beck" going up the stairs or going down the stairs.... are they turning left or turning right.........
Just to get it straight in my own mind............
The Charity Commision say they were Trustees, The Mail say they were Trustees, they "Resign as Trustees" & Yet they seem to think they weren`t Trustees.
I wonder if the term "Ignorance is No Defence In Law" rings a bell anywhere within the civic.
I have to say that I find all of this astonishing but it does leave me baffled as to where we go from here. We have 'before our eyes', so to speak, an elected councillor quite brazenly lying through his teeth. There's nothing subtle about this. No real investigation has been necessary. I presume that Akers-Belcher was well aware of what Beck was about to say in which case it's a black and white case.
Both have been prepared to say absolutely anything to try and wriggle themselves off the hook. They are both totally devoid of any decency or morality. How many more such people are occupying the council chamber?
Quote from: for fawkes sake on October 31, 2014, 08: PM
How many more such people are occupying the council chamber?
Sadly, all too many - and they appear so desperate to hang on to their power that any vestiges of decency seem to have flown out of the window.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/local/fresh-calls-for-hartlepool-mayor-to-stand-down-over-charity-group-court-case-1-6928326
Speaking after the meeting, Coun Akers-Belcher said: "The word resign is being used too frequently by the opposition and without substance."
This raises a many interesting points.
*who is the opposition ? Not the Tories from what I read they back him to the hilt.
*without substance! The police and the prosecution service apparently believe there is some substance regarding the activities in an organisation he was heavily involved in. His ex employer believe there is some substance otherwise they would not have sacked him.
*too frequently! Well it has to be repeated frequently because this man seem to be too arrogant and self focused to do the right thing for the council, his party and the people of Hartlepool.
Apparently come Christmas "What the Heck Beck" is doing panto with the "Merry Mayor"
Here's a Sneaky Peek at the promo
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Tickets available from the Civic Centre
This article makes for a fascinating retrospective read... http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/local/hartlepool-mayor-insists-he-will-not-resign-over-role-in-crisis-hit-charity-1-5895443
It's me calling for SAB to resign 18 months ago, because as a trustee he had ultimate responsibility for the actions of the charity. He obviously refused to resign but at no point did he say "I'm not a trustee".
The article also contains reference to Fred calling for any further funding to MRA to be stopped and there's also a call for the scope of the inquiry into councillors connections to the voluntary sector to be widened.
What happened? Well SAB didn't resign, MRA got its additional funding and the inquiry never went beyond the WCNE contract procurement and the smokescreen Labour attempted to waft in the way of the inquiry surrounding Councillor Hargreaves.
The most sickening part of the article was the claim that MRA had to continue to receive funding to protect children's welfare.
Shameful.
Paul Beck's register of interests from June 2013
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SAB's register of interests from September 2012 2013
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Both appear as Trustees on the Manor Residents Return to the Charity Commission for 2012
....and just for good measure - Beck's resignation letter to Wilcox which Beck copied to Chief Solicitor, Peter Devlin. You can't resign from a position you never held.
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OUCH!
It looks like Elvis is about to leave the building ;D
I still think the key word in Beck's denial is the word 'legally'.
Beck either must have the worst case of Amnesia I have ever known or he has spent most of the year with his head up his @rse, or possibly someone else's that email looks clear cut that he resigned to keep his Conscience clear, you dont resign from something you are not involved with.
Which is why he should be nicknamed Pinocchio
I wonder who's pulling his strings on a day to day basis ?
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Beck says...........
"I cannot afford any bad publicity against my name"
What planet is this fella living on..... "Bad Publicity" WTF..... MRA.... Hart Gypsy Site.... absolute magnets for Bad Publicity....... typical of a "Member of The Mob"..... me first, me second & me third.....He should be ashamed of himself
He also says....... "This is no way any reflection on the good work that you (Wilcox) & your team do at Manor Residents"
As to the MRA connection, even though he had become aware of the appalling circumstances surrounding Wilcox`s running of Manor Residents, he still "Could Not" offer any criticism of the way she behaved..................... He should be ashamed of himself.
mk1, I don't think he could get away with the use of the word "legally" although Dave Stubbs and Peter Devlin will be looking to defend him to the hilt, it is wholly possible that Cllr Beck has more than intentionally mislead the public on this one, however the Mayor cannot be blamed for Cllr Becks dishonesty as he never said it, clever and cunning plan Stephen!
Here is yet another misleading c**k-up for the newspaper to report.
Quote from: Tommy on November 02, 2014, 03: PM
mk1, I don't think he could get away with the use of the word "legally"
It is if (for example) they were just assumed to be Trustees/On the Board when the paperwork for such was not filled in. I am not defending Beck but neither should we assume those we despise are complete morons. Stating a fact that could easily be disproved is not a wise move and despite his many faults I do not think Beck is stupid.
All I say is take note of the actual words used and do not just see that which you expect to see.
I am reminded of the Clinton claim 'I did not have sexual relations with that woman'
He may be playing the game but I don't think so if he knew he wasn't on the board their would be no need to declare his interest and no need to resign the only thing I can presume is the paperwork confirming it has gone missing along with the money but more likely he's hasn't figured out the SCABS are getting ready to throw beck to the wolves