Much more to this than the Trust's spin is allowing us to know but we'll soon be publishing it anyway. ;) For the time being, I suggest everyone checks out the bus fares to North Tees. ;)
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/health/health-matters/health-boss-at-centre-of-300m-wynyard-hospital-plans-steps-down-1-5858722
I wonder who could end up with that little number ;) ;) ;) whoever it is i hope he didn`t need to wear a monkey suit for the interview. ::) ::) ::)
Rumours abound that Oxley walked away with £450,000.
Roll-Up Roll-Up for Another Chance to Have Your Views Completely Ignored.HEALTH chiefs are giving residents further opportunities to have a say on controversial plans to move remaining critical care services out of the University Hospital of Hartlepool.
Public consultation is currently ongoing about proposals to centralise emergency medical and critical care services at the University Hospital of North Tees, in Stockton.
Residents now have further chances to attend several drop-in sessions to find out more about the plans, which will cost £2.3m and affect 10,000 patients.
Health chiefs say the changes need to happen because of "significant" concerns and stress while the current service is safe, it is not sustainable to meet rising standards.
The drop-in sessions will take place between noon and 2pm on:
- Wednesday, July 24 at Asda, in Marina Way
- Thursday, July 25 at One Life Hartlepool, in Park Road
- Friday, July 26 at Central Library, in York Road
People can find out more at any time during the events, which are part of the 12-week consultation.
The plans would see all emergency admissions go to North Tees, four emergency medical wards close at Hartlepool with a total of 135 beds removed and the jobs of around 200 people affected.
Also, the critical care unit at Hartlepool, which includes two intensive care beds and two high-dependency beds, relocated – to add to North Tees's 12-bed critical care unit.
Hartlepool hospital would become a centre for day case and low-risk operations with an increase in medical rehabilitation beds.
It follows a review by the National Clinical Advisory Team (NCAT) after concerns from staff. The review recommended the centralisation of critical care and emergency medicine services as soon as possible.
NHS Hartlepool and Stockton-on-Tees Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG), Durham Dales, Easington and Sedgefield CCG, and North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Foundation Trust are leading the consultation.
Responses can also be submitted to: Communication and Engagement, FREEPOST NEA9906, Middlesbrough, TS2 1BR or by email to: mynhstees@nhs.net. The deadline is August 11.
Stockton MP Calls for end of Uncertainty Over New Hospital
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/incoming/stockton-mp-james-wharton-says-5145949 (http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/incoming/stockton-mp-james-wharton-says-5145949)
Just to add a link to the "Transformation Consultation", Steve.
http://www.hartlepoolandstocktonccg.nhs.uk/content/page.aspx?page=97
All of this makes you wonder what the powers to be were thinking of when they first had the brilliant and no doubt trumpeted announcement of the building of the hospital at Hartlepool ib the 1960s?
What is the point....? Yet anothet exercise in ' consultation' which is no such thing..... they tell you what they're going to do and your opinion will chsnge nothing, because you're up against a machine that's going to do just what it wants because it makes the rules.
We're left with an empty carcass of a once busy hospital that became an organ donor to keep ailing North Tees alive.
Once everything has been shipped through to Noth Tees and the only thing left in Hartlepool General is the plaster on the walls, then the mirage of a new hospital will vapourise...... we had a fully functioning general hospital and it looks like we've lost the lot but been offered a 17 seat mini bus staffed by volunteers to compensate. Only in Hartlepool.
Funny how none of this is mentioned on their Facebook wall ......it is just full of happy clappy stuff!
Quote from: steveL on July 16, 2013, 06: PM
Much more to this than the Trust's spin is allowing us to know but we'll soon be publishing it anyway. ;) For the time being, I suggest everyone checks out the bus fares to North Tees. ;)
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/health/health-matters/health-boss-at-centre-of-300m-wynyard-hospital-plans-steps-down-1-5858722
£5 day rider plus ticket or free for concessionary pass holders
Quote from: no6bus on July 21, 2013, 06: AM
£5 day rider plus ticket or free for concessionary pass holders
Let's get down to practicalities. If you live on the Headland that's three bus journeys to get to North Tees and you can actually get to Newcastle quicker by public transport. The journey is an endurance and if ever there was an incentive to get a car, it's travelling on the 36 bus ........!
Quote from: Riddler5 on July 21, 2013, 06: AM
Quote from: no6bus on July 21, 2013, 06: AM
£5 day rider plus ticket or free for concessionary pass holders
Let's get down to practicalities. If you live on the Headland that's three bus journeys to get to North Tees and you can actually get to Newcastle quicker by public transport. The journey is an endurance and if ever there was an incentive to get a car, it's travelling on the 36 bus ........!
It's actually 2 buses from the headland to the general!.
There needs to be a bus from the town direct to north tees. Picking up across the town but after the town boundary direct to north tees no diverting through Billingham or norton
Two much shorter journies. ......! However, I agree it's time the trust coughed up for a regular time tabled service using full sized fully accessible vehicles, rather than quick fix short term stop gap gimmicks done on the cheap that have the life expectancy of a snowball in hell once the subjects out of the public eye........... it's the very least they can do after all they've tookoff us.
Possibly worth people contacting stagecoach and the council to push for this service
The following document
http://www.hartlepoolandstocktonccg.nhs.uk/includes/documents/NHS_NECSU_Transformation_A5_4ppWEB.pdf
shows that the powers to be are thinking about transport, but the link that they provide to the local Clinical Commissioning Group website doesn`t reveal anything about buses.
www.hartlepoolandstocktonccg.nhs.uk
The C.C.G. does say though, that
"We will plan integrated, efficient patient pathways"
A network of pedestrian footpaths or cycleways perhaps?
Well that's that then! I hope those within Hartlepool Borough Council who sat back and let this happen are proud of themelves.
http://tinyurl.com/l92w7nz
Don't worry about it. I've just found this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ug8aM9v40Sg
This can`t be right.......... Iain Wright told us The Hospital would stay open............. he just forgot to mention which one.
Hopefully the people of Hartlepool will remember this little deception when 2015 come around.
;D
Quote from: fred c on July 23, 2013, 09: AM
Hopefully the people of Hartlepool will remember this little deception when 2015 come around.
I fear the waffling political teddy bear will be saved by the non thinking lumpen mass that would vote Labour if a leaking radiator was nomnated.
Take a look at this youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn4zpYVsxcU
Hope it works if it does it shows even in the early days the way politicians wanted it to go.
Missy K.......................A copy of that clip should be sent to our vertically challenged elected "Member" to remind him what a total hypocrite he is, & while your at it.... send one to the Offices of the Hartlepool Constituency Labour Party, marked FAO Labour Councillors.
Regarding the video clip submitted by Missy K anybody recognise the voice of the narrator?......I thought it was and very soon realised and confirmed it is Jason Anderson of the H/pool radio station. It appears he gets in everywhere. After my initial thoughts and a quick "google" the same video is on You Tube. (Possibly where it has been sourced from.) May not be relevant however interesting.
I wonder if our Elected "Member" was a part of this Cross Party Group of MP`s, who have come to this conclusion.
I seem to remember 30,000 people signed the Save Our Hospital petition, hopefully they will remember just how ineffective our own "Member" has been in his attempts to save the Hospital.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23423796
Treat patients in ambulances, is that because there are no hospitals going to be around soon ?
Instead of an ambulance, why not use a bus, Niramax would probably chip in too.
Well Stig, would it be a choice between Cranney and Thomson running the bus or would it be unanimous in favour of Cranney or even Wilcox?
I see that the Hartlepool Mail and Hartlepool Post are taking quite diffrent positions on the future of the Wynyard Hospital. The Post sees it as History while The Mail is still churning out the same verbatim press releases of the hospital trust.
I know who my money would be on.
Spot on KD
The cost of the "Consultations alone will be considerable, a bunch of unelected QuangoTwats, who should be held to account when the time comes.
No Mega Money pay offs & Gold Plated pensions, its our money & we should be able to decide where it goes, & it shouldn`t go to that shower of sh**e.
Prepare yourself for the 10 seconds to Midnight protests of the local Labour Group as it's revealed that there will be no new hospital at Wynyard.
The Trust's public response to the HP Front Page Story faithfully reproduced by the lap-dog Hartlepool Mail. This is the public response; the not-so-public response will be another internal witch hunt to find out who let the cat out of the bag.
There will be a rush now to get the remaining emergency services transferred to North Tees because they won't be able to keep the lid on this for very long.
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/local/health-bosses-adamant-wynyard-hospital-will-open-by-2017-despite-funding-concerns-1-5892753
It is obvious that the Health Trust who (lets admit it) are working hard on plans to have a new hospital built at Wynyard.
It is also clear that they keep hitting obstacles on the way.
Firstly, this government kicking the original project into touch. (that is despite giving the go-ahead for similar projects elsewhere)
The reason the government refused permission to build was on cost, not on public health requirement reasons.
Which when you think about it was an astute move. If they claimed that the then existing arrangement was satisfactory, they could not support what is happening now to the Hartlepool Hospital.
So, it was a question of money then, and the governments dislike of the PFI system.They told the Trust to go away and come back with a smaller hospital and a less costly one at that.The government made no promise to directly help provide funds for Wynyard.
So the Trust had to arrange a new design with lower cost and a new funding arrangement.
Eventually the Trust had a design and a bidder (one) who would construct also run the hospital.
Clearly the builder would want a reasonable return for the construction and the commitment to run the hospital for an as yet unknown number of years.
The investment for this 300 million pound development would be provided (at least in part) by pension fund loans. Pension Fund loans seem to be the new banks!
These Pension Fund companies would also want their return from capital investment.The costs of building and running Wynyard are stacking up.
Of course the construction company or the Pension Funds may also prefer some sort of guarantee from the Coalition Government that their investment will be protected into the future. Perhaps one hundred million pounds worth of guarantee.
But the government aren`t into providing any such assurance at present.
If we look six months down the line from here. the government will see that health provision in this area is still being provided for, even if in a somewhat fragmented way.
Both North Tees and Hartlepool are functioning well in what they do, and there is further local provision at the privately owned facility in Park Road
So.as far as the governemt are concerned health provision in this area is covered.
They will not see any clear financial reason for indirectly providing 300 million pounds plus for an unproven gamble,
Well, not unless the next parliamentary election is approaching, when some political pragmatism will come into play.
"Well, not unless the next parliamentary election is approaching, when some political pragmatism will come into play."
If this is a suggestion that, should the Government relent and agree to provide the missing £100m, we may all be tempted to return a Tory MP in 2015 then it's hard to take it seriously.
Go back to 2002 and the Trust's original published plan to close Hartlepool Hospital and transfer everything to North Tees - it's fairly easy then to imagine that the last 11 years have been little more than a dream.
No Steve I don`t think we will be tempted, but I remember that the outgoing Labour government gave the go-ahead for Wynyard.
They already had a very strong hold in this area. so it was not important for them to give the ok,. except to perhaps give a "caring image" to a national electorate (or perhaps to drop the next government in it)
In a national election, it may not need much of a shove to turn a majority even if locally, the situation is unaltered
So in the end the final decision whether to go ahead or not with the hospital could well be political..
You forget that Mandelson was in charge of the election campaign and if you've read him since, he openly acknowledges that he knew they were going to get thumped. Pre-election, (and even though they had no money) Mandelson and his side kicks wandered the country just beforehand writing bouncing checks and giving the go-ahead for all sorts of things knowing full well that those nasty Tories were going to have to cancel everything once they saw the books.
Remember Clegg and that big loan promised to a big Sheffield company? - used as leverage to persuade Clegg to go into coalition with Labour, if need be, after the election. It didn't work and the Tories cancelled the loan almost immediately.
As a reply to the wynyard hospital if anyone would care to go back far enough, well not that far really just to the labour government for 13 years prior to 2010 apart from introducuing mass immigration the also introduced an initiative called PFI look it up it was HArtlepools beloved Labour party who started closing hospitals and yes that means Hartlepool when the voters of the country of Great Britain not I might mention PHF as far as I'm aware there are only five of them well they can move mountains then, to continue when the government changed wynyard was cancelled it was said at the time becaust of the cost that was not true the coalition gov. Had the money to build it but the ruinouse cost of the PFI initiative it was cancelled it will be built but without PFI just remember it was the LABOUR government who signed the documentation to close your hospital down.
Just goes to show what can happen with the right back up ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23518732
Our MP has just opened a revamped sub post office ..you can't expect him to do everything !!!
Quote from: Stig of the Seaton Dump on July 31, 2013, 12: PM
Our MP has just opened a revamped sub post office ..you can't expect him to do everything !!!
;D Mr Dolittle?
Quote from: Stig of the Seaton Dump on July 31, 2013, 12: PM
Our MP has just opened a revamped sub post office ..you can't expect him to do everything !!!
He is about effective as a 1 Legged Man In An Ar*e Kicking Contest.
Quote from: Stig of the Seaton Dump on July 31, 2013, 12: PM
Our MP has just opened a revamped sub post office ..you can't expect him to do everything !!!
Given he has a huge allowance for 'postage' I don't think we will be seeing him having to buy many stamps..................
Postman Tw*t.Sorry i could't resist.
It seems that the English NHS hospitals` A and E departments are struggling, so the government is to provide some 500 million pounds (more than the cost of the proposed Wynyard hospital) to help out.
This is to be spread over the two years leading up to the General Election.
Perhaps a chunk of this money will find it`s way to North Tees and will thus reduce the incentive to build a new hospital at Wynyard.
On the other hand, if the new hospital finally gets the go ahead, there will be less need to boost up the A and E services at North Tees.
Vinegar and brown paper.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-07/u-k-hospitals-get-500-million-pound-boost-to-prepare-for-winter.html
If you go around closing A&E's, you thus have less of them and the pressure on them will logically increase on what remains. It ain't rocket science.
Mind you, looking at the bigger picture, minor injury units/ walk in centres are a much cheaper option for the bean counters..... if not for us.
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/136324 (http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/136324)
a little perspective