What is classed as essential work, today the window cleaner was doing windows on the estate, a company were cleaning and sanding block paving at a neighbours house and a garden services company was attending to peoples gardens. A cable company were installing new cables and no way were they sticking to the 2 metre rule.
What annoys me is the Police were sending people home for going out to buy a pot of paint the other week, yes people have to earn a crust but there doesn't appear to be a level playing field. Before anyone comments I would not be calling the Police to inform of the goings on.
You have to understand Seaton that self employed people like me will continue to work regardless because we get no financial assistance and may subsequently starve to death :-\
I can't disagree I think thee are loads of work which is non essential that can be done during the lockdown providing people abide by the rules.
Good for you for not being a 'busybody'! I would never myself be a proponent for 'grassing', which is essentially what phoning the police would amount to.
I think that we are in unprecedented times, and everyone has their own interpretation of what the guidelines mean, so it is a difficult time, as clearly not everyone is on the same page. Even the police themselves seem to be having issues interpreting what they should/shouldn't be enforcing.
Another factor is that different people are approaching this pandemic with different levels of concern, rightly or wrongly. What these people who are not quite so concerned need to be considering are others.
As an example, I personally am not even remotely concerned about my own wellbeing, however I fully respect those that have more reason to be concerned, and as such, I am fully respecting the guidelines in every way.
I do not wish to be the guy that passes on infection to someone more vulnerable than myself.
This is a mindset that some people would do well to take on board.
Any thoughts on this? https://www.cleveland.police.uk/tua/tell-us-about/c19/tell-us-about-possible-breach-coronavirus-measures/?fbclid=IwAR0b67nrzr-PvEEqwx2HcPD3uauiBWXfVfWSsFz7s3GPaIqzfVQVBzqnmbs
Quote from: diSme on April 21, 2020, 09: PM
Good for you for not being a 'busybody'! I would never myself be a proponent for 'grassing', which is essentially what phoning the police would amount to.
Moronic Odd archaic approach - makes me wonder if you have had "dealing" with the police. If your car gets stolen or your kids abducted would you call the police? Is that "grassing"? Have a word with yourself and grow up.
Quotefully respect those that have more reason to be concerned, and as such, I am fully respecting the guidelines in every way.
I do not wish to be the guy that passes on infection to someone more vulnerable than myself.
This is a mindset that some people would do well to take on board.
Completely agree
.....consequently with two elderly parents I have to shop for...having followed rules.....not seen grand kids for over 4 weeks....having NO income whatever as my company falls through holes in so called safety net...if I see
Someone hold a BBQ with multiple cars arriving and people gathering in a garden....
Somebody heading off 5 or 6 times a day in a pick up then returning with DIY gear.....
Etc
I have no issues with using that site.
...and have done
and I don't give a rats ar** about being accused of being a grass etc the rules may be somewhat ambiguous but driving round town basically because you are bored..puts others a risk.....if you have an accident emergency services etc. People in shops you visit when there is no real need.
It is especially put into focus when friends who work in NHS ended up in bed with c19 for 3 weeks and morons who just don't get how dangerous it is cannot or will not follow basic rules, many because in a normal world they struggle with rules and authority. Like drunk drivers, drug users, fly tippers etc.
So yea if you see someone not playing the game report it....if nothing else it allows a history to be built up to perhaps be referred to if/when someone insists in putting others at risk.
If your next door neighbour was a p**s artist climbing into car and driving off several times a day to wander round shops would you report that.
Let me guess....
"Thats different....."
No it is not.... under both circumstances the consequences are somebody could die- who should not have been put at risk by selfish actions of others....
Quote from: seaton on April 21, 2020, 06: PM
Before anyone comments I would not be calling the Police to inform of the goings on.
As above - I have and will continue to do so- not regarding businesses but social gatherings etc- Wait until someone close gets the virus then tell me its "grassing"
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/30/can-window-cleaners-gardeners-work-lockdown-coronavirus-uk-12479045/
Quote from: Topcat on April 22, 2020, 08: AM
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/30/can-window-cleaners-gardeners-work-lockdown-coronavirus-uk-12479045/
Personally ( and the same with the government it would seem)I have no issue with this type of work- I cant work because my business involves some offshore work and overseas travel.
I DO have an issue with morons who cant understand that congregating in family group after driving miles puts others, including me at risk of dying from a virus.
I don't care who they are I will log in and report them.....nowt else to do after all!
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 22, 2020, 06: AM
Quote from: diSme on April 21, 2020, 09: PM
Good for you for not being a 'busybody'! I would never myself be a proponent for 'grassing', which is essentially what phoning the police would amount to.
Moronic Odd archaic approach - makes me wonder if you have had "dealing" with the police. If your car gets stolen or your kids abducted would you call the police? Is that "grassing"? Have a word with yourself and grow up.
Yes, it is my idea of grassing, and it's not how I prefer to operate.
I'm quite capable, and more comfortable with taking people to task directly myself when I see something I disagree with.
Judge me for that if you wish, that's fine by me.
You do things your way, I'll do things my way.
And as to whether or not I've had 'dealings' with the police is completely irrelevant, and I'm unsure as to why you are even bringing it up....?
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 22, 2020, 10: AM
Quote from: Topcat on April 22, 2020, 08: AM
https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/30/can-window-cleaners-gardeners-work-lockdown-coronavirus-uk-12479045/
Personally ( and the same with the government it would seem)I have no issue with this type of work- I cant work because my business involves some offshore work and overseas travel.
I DO have an issue with morons who cant understand that congregating in family group after driving miles puts others, including me at risk of dying from a virus.
I don't care who they are I will log in and report them.....nowt else to do after all!
I think there are many types of work similar to this that should be being allowed to continue so we may try and rescue as much of the economy as we can.
All that is required are some common sense steps taken to ensure that everyone involved is kept safe.
I'm hoping that there will be a gradual return to 'business as usual', with everybody being mindful and taking measures to stay safe.
People need to work, or we are all ultimately f**c***...
Quote from: diSme on April 22, 2020, 12: PMAnd as to whether or not I've had 'dealings' with the police is completely irrelevant, and I'm unsure as to why you are even bringing it up....?
Because generally those that have will not help them in anyway.......but demand their help when it suits them.
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 22, 2020, 04: PM
Quote from: diSme on April 22, 2020, 12: PMAnd as to whether or not I've had 'dealings' with the police is completely irrelevant, and I'm unsure as to why you are even bringing it up....?
Because generally those that have will not help them in anyway.......but demand their help when it suits them.
Ah, I see.
Sorry, but you have the wrong guy, so you can stop wondering!!!
I have relatives in the force, and I fully support the police, and would comply with anything they needed to help do their job. I'm sure reading one or two of my previous postings would confirm that.
Quote from: diSme on April 22, 2020, 12: PMso you can stop wondering!!!
I am not....
QuoteI have relatives in the force, and I fully support the police
So why the use of the term grassing?
If you found out someone was responsible for an assault would you share that information with your "relatives" in the police? Becoming a PI aka a "snout"?.....( yes I did a few years as a Plod and D)
Or would that be "grassing" - bet your relatives would be less than impressed by your logic and use of that term?
Watching too many police dramas I suspect..... ::) ::)
Quote from: akarjl2 on April 22, 2020, 05: PM
Quote from: diSme on April 22, 2020, 12: PMso you can stop wondering!!!
I am not....
QuoteI have relatives in the force, and I fully support the police
So why the use of the term grassing?
If you found out someone was responsible for an assault would you share that information with your "relatives" in the police? Becoming a PI aka a "snout"?.....( yes I did a few years as a Plod and D)
Or would that be "grassing" - bet your relatives would be less than impressed by your logic and use of that term?
Watching too many police dramas I suspect..... ::) ::)
I don't really care what my relatives,, or you,, or anyone else thinks about my outlook on 'grassing'. It is what it is, and it isn't changing for anyone but myself.
Regarding giving information about an assault? I can't answer that directly without knowing and being in the situation. It would depend on so many factors. The safety of my family being a major one.... But if I was asked to make a statement, I would. And I would provide every bit of information I had.
The people referred to are the people who do what's best for them and couldn't give a monkeys toss for anyone else or others in general. They've done it all their lives and something like this will make no difference to their attitude whatsoever. They'.. have been leading the charge for toilet rolls from the outset and are just selfish I'm alright Jack clones.
As for reporting such activity, it's pointless as the system would be overwhelmed. I'm fascinated however how some have a peculiar system of deciding right from wrong on their own viewpoint.
I suspect the word 'snitching' was a creation ot the perpetrators of rule breaking for their own benefit....giving themselves an undeserved victimhood. Tosh of course.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 24, 2020, 07: AMI suspect the word 'snitching' was a creation ot the perpetrators of rule breaking for their own benefit....giving themselves an undeserved victimhood. Tosh of course.
Agree = double standards....too much "The Bill" "Line of Duty" etc. A flexible interpretation of right and wrong dependent upon their own "activities". Nothing to do with current crisis.
35 years ago had a m**r*n pis*ed telling me police were sh**e and he would never call police and "grass" anyone up.....2 days later he's at the front desk complaining his neighbour damaged his car.
Oddly not a lot of time was spent investigating that complaint.....what goes around comes around.
Are the people who cut the grass verges contractors or Council Employees, obviously they are not being cut as it's not essential work. I asked the question on a FB Site and I was informed that the grass cutting people had been deployed on more important duties. BTW I got deleted from the FB Page for being to argumentative over the subject.
B&Q have opened up over a 140 stores today, do they sell essential stuff, the government are encouraging people only to shop for essential goods but when were DIY goods classed as being essential ?
I went to Morrison's today queued for 15 minutes, people are still loading up the trolleys as if there was no tomorrow, next week I imagine it will become worse as people on a monthly payroll will be receiving their salary.
Sorry about this before I start!!!.....does funny things to your mind this lockdown business.
On seeing the word ' SNITCHING ' it took me back some 60 plus years when me and a mate were asked to to provide a few hundred large garden worms, we called them lob worms , for the Hartlepool and District Angling Club team to take to Ireland for use in a 120 strong competition organised by the then Angling Times , a national fishing paper. Team of 12 of which included us at 13 years old, happy days. !!!
Rather than dig for the worms we visited the finely cut lawns of the War Memorial in Victoria Rd. after dark when the grass was wet with the dew. The worms often would lay across the surface of the grass out of their holes headfirst. The' SNITCHING' part is the art of catching them before they beat a hasty retreat. Just place a thumb at the tail end and grab the main body and head of the worm. The trick was to stop them going down but quickly give them a seconds slack to release their grip before pulling them clear of the soil. No harm done to the grass.
So there you have it .Apologies for going off thread but thats 'Snitching 'for you.!!! A trick copied from the blackbirds. Sorry again.
Quote from: seaton on April 24, 2020, 05: PM
Are the people who cut the grass verges contractors or Council Employees, obviously they are not being cut as it's not essential work. I asked the question on a FB Site and I was informed that the grass cutting people had been deployed on more important duties. BTW I got deleted from the FB Page for being to argumentative over the subject.
B&Q have opened up over a 140 stores today, do they sell essential stuff, the government are encouraging people only to shop for essential goods but when were DIY goods classed as being essential ?
I went to Morrison's today queued for 15 minutes, people are still loading up the trolleys as if there was no tomorrow, next week I imagine it will become worse as people on a monthly payroll will be receiving their salary.
There has been no announcement that I'm aware of from the council regarding the grass verges. I will likely just cut ours and maybe a couple of the less able neighbours' with my own lawn mower.
I'd be interested to know where the staff have been redeployed though...?
Quote from: diSme on April 25, 2020, 09: AM
I'd be interested to know where the staff have been redeployed though...?
Why do you need to know...?
The staff have probably been deployed in any of the areas which need extra hands. Know that quite a few are based at the 'ub - sorting out back up food parcels, prescriptions etc. etc.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 25, 2020, 11: AM
Quote from: diSme on April 25, 2020, 09: AM
I'd be interested to know where the staff have been redeployed though...?
Why do you need to know...?
I didn't say I needed to know, I said I'd be interested to know.
I'm still paying council tax....
I'm still paying my Council Tax as well, but the job relocation of Council employees to other jobs hasn't caused me to lose a minutes sleep. Even 'interested to know' strikes me as a pointless exercise, I hardly expect them to be taking jet ski lessons and sippping cocktails.
In a world going slightly mad, an interest in the relocation of the grass cutting crews borders on the pedantic.
I would have thought it would be prudent to employ contractors for grass cutting, no expensive machinery to buy, maintain and only used for a few months a year ?
The majority of farmers use contractors for many the tasks like ploughing, sowing and harvest time, no point have machinery costing hundreds of thousands of pounds lying idle.
Are you an accountant by any chance?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 25, 2020, 05: PM
I'm still paying my Council Tax as well, but the job relocation of Council employees to other jobs hasn't caused me to lose a minutes sleep. Even 'interested to know' strikes me as a pointless exercise, I hardly expect them to be taking jet ski lessons and sippping cocktails.
In a world going slightly mad, an interest in the relocation of the grass cutting crews borders on the pedantic.
Haha. Nah, I don't think I'm being pedantic. And I'm certainly not losing any sleep! I am merely just curious.
Plain old boggo curious...
Quote from: seaton on April 25, 2020, 05: PM
I would have thought it would be prudent to employ contractors for grass cutting, no expensive machinery to buy, maintain and only used for a few months a year ?
The majority of farmers use contractors for many the tasks like ploughing, sowing and harvest time, no point have machinery costing hundreds of thousands of pounds lying idle.
Prudent, and quite sensible by the sound of it.
I can't think of any way that the grass cutting machinery could be repurposed throughout the winter months, so yes, it probably does just sit around unused...
Perhaps there is an economic reason that we are unaware of that would explain why things are done as they are. That's the kind of information that tends to be difficult to obtain though.
Quote from: diSme on April 25, 2020, 09: PM
Quote from: seaton on April 25, 2020, 05: PM
I would have thought it would be prudent to employ contractors for grass cutting, no expensive machinery to buy, maintain and only used for a few months a year ?
The majority of farmers use contractors for many the tasks like ploughing, sowing and harvest time, no point have machinery costing hundreds of thousands of pounds lying idle.
Prudent, and quite sensible by the sound of it.
I can't think of any way that the grass cutting machinery could be repurposed throughout the winter months, so yes, it probably does just sit around unused...
Perhaps there is an economic reason that we are unaware of that would explain why things are done as they are. That's the kind of information that tends to be difficult to obtain though.
Oh dear, contractors,...... the accountants solution. A sign of my working life is where the Uriah Heeps of the accounting world turn up with their simplistic solutions for simplistic management and they collide to royally f#*k things up then disappear into the sunset like a rat up a drainpipe.
People with the depth of knowledge of a car park puddle see simple answers to simple 'problems'. Just because you don't see a problem to a subject you know little about is no guide to anything.
I've spoken to several Council heads over the years who would love to be rid of their work forces and have everything contracted out and 'supervised' by them when half of them couldn't supervise a bowel movement.
Reasonably paid local secure jobs with rights and local knowledge quickly disappear and outside contractors come in..... progress eh?
You'll soon find out that those penny pinching ideals don't quite work out as planned. I've had to clean up plenty of these oh so simplistic solutions over the years.
Quote from: diSme on April 25, 2020, 09: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 25, 2020, 05: PM
I'm still paying my Council Tax as well, but the job relocation of Council employees to other jobs hasn't caused me to lose a minutes sleep. Even 'interested to know' strikes me as a pointless exercise, I hardly expect them to be taking jet ski lessons and sippping cocktails.
In a world going slightly mad, an interest in the relocation of the grass cutting crews borders on the pedantic.
Haha. Nah, I don't think I'm being pedantic. And I'm certainly not losing any sleep! I am merely just curious.
Plain old boggo curious...
OK, ....... nosey then.
Why am I getting a mental picture of Harry Enfield's character 'It's only Meeeeee' looking over the privet at a eye rolling, tongue biting Council grass cutter telling him he's missed a bit. ;D
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 26, 2020, 05: AM
when half of them couldn't supervise a bowel movement.
Classic description of an average clownciller.... ;)
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 25, 2020, 08: PM
Are you an accountant by any chance?
It doesn't take an Accountant to work out the cost of Grass Cutting Machinery which lies idle for 6 months of the year, tractor with grass cutter £60/70000, Heavy Duty Machine to cut the grass verges, £6/10000. There are then the weekly maintenance costs to add on to that.