Local Elections - 3rd of May 2012

[beanzontoast]

George Galloway, has taken Bradford West it being a labour stronghold for 30 years, U.K.I.P. are now level if not above the Liberal Democrats as the peoples choice for the third national political party. The people of the country are getting restless for change, or is history repeating itself and we are going back to the Crusades. It was always said politics is war without the bloodshed.

[notinshadow]

That's not going to help Hartlepool with the unrest between Dave and Eric.

That needs sorting out first before UKIP have a chance in this town, as they are not given themselves a chance to start with.

Fight the rest, not each other, if your in the same party with the same goals.

[beanzontoast]

I dont know of any unrest with a Dave and Eric, I refer to an earlier comment of mine in that when it comes to a vote in local elections if you vote for a candidate who has a national party behind them with a ( Manifesto ) then that candidate or candidates have a road map, and you the voter can see what they stand for, you don`t say what this unrest is with Dave and Eric you assume all know who they are, unrest and confusion with any party can only effect that party if it does not  a) Promote a national identity. b.) Have a manifesto.
If Dave and Eric are part of the Independants, or Hartlepool First, any unrest therefore would have a damaging impact that is why if Hartlepool wants change from a labour controlled council voters would be wise to pick candidates with a national identity that way you not only effect the town you send a shockwave to the national government to listen, as is what happened in Bradford west  that was a Labour stronghold for 30 years you can bet the labour party are listening NOW.   

[marky]

sorry Beanz but I don't follow your logic at all. You seem to be saying that people should vote for a national party simply because they are a national party and though you may not like or see the relevance of their policies to local elections, you should still vote for them.
In other words, they may be crap but at least they're consistently crap.
Personally, I don't think either of the two main parties have done much for the town and therefore neither deserve my vote.

[beanzontoast]

Sorry Marky I have explained myself badly, i was trying to put things into perspective, and as an example used the local elections to do this.
To clarify local councils have the mandate from central government, to Raise / lower business  rates, carparking charges, community charges, etc. The National government make policy for many others, my point was if you want small changes like lower car parking charges, any candidate will do if they campaign for it, but if it`s a good thing if you are part of a national party it will be in their manifesto and you have a much better chance of lowering car parking charges accross the country, and in the hartlepool closure for instance this has been taken at a national level and to get a decision like that reversed can only be done from a party that has a national identity, hope that explains.

[Vincent]

So BOT please enlighten us on George Galloways manifesto, did he win because he promised to bring employment, better schools, businesses, better health care to the people of Bradford. He is a nutter who will bring nothing because no one in power will listen to him

[beanzontoast]

Hi Vincent, Can you let me know what BOT means,
in reply to your question, you are mistaken if you think G Galloway is a nutter, has no manifesto, and no-one will listen to him. I agree he has no manifesto as in the way i meant it, re political partys and the Hartlepool local elections. But he does have a manifesto, in fact everyone weather interested in politics or not has a manifesto, in my last reply it was to a point made about a Dave and Eric who are not seeing eye to eye, in such cases my point was that a party who has a manifesto has a solid foundation, and possibly the way to change a country and two people who dont see eye to eye would not be of seriouse concern to the party as a whole, whereas two people in a party of 6 say probably would be a disaster. If you would like to know about Mr Galloways manifesto and who will listen to him i`m happy to ablige then you can decide if he is a nutter, if you don`t want to know ok but i will leave you with two points, which Portays george as a nutter but things are not what they seem. 1. when george was campaigning he had a beard, george dosent as a rule have a beard. 2. when george won the election, within minutes he sent a text to the papers saying it was a great victory for the people of Blackburn.

[notinshadow]

B.O.T. beanzontoast.

Geoge is a raving lunatic, everyman and his dog knows that much.

Eric and Dave locally need to sort their issues out. I am told Eric is leaving in June, which in my view is too late to stop the rot.

If his going.. go..now..

as for Georges beard when thats handy then 

Wasn't he the nutter who went and had tea with Gaddaffi or some other raving lunatic?

There is a word I can think of to compare him with but Geoff will moan about it.

[The Great Dictator]

He's a clever lunatic, Whitehall is full of them as well as *****, liars, fraudsters.

edited my admin

[marky]

There are some things that only national Governments can deal with but  Government's can also apply too wide a brush when attempting to address what are essentially local issues. I don't want to wander off into the parking charge issue too much but, as an example, I'm sure there are some local areas in the UK where parking charges would be a good thing to restrict traffic in certain areas. In contrast, in Hartlepool, parking charges are simply an additional tax to support excessive and wasteful spending habits. A national Government with a national policy on parking charges would result in chaos and such things should be left to the local authority. Parking charges is only an example so let's not swing the thread into a debate about them cos that wasn't my intention. 

[Ryehill]

            There is a lot of  speculation going on at the moment and U.K.I.P. seem to be the target for much of it. First of all we were told ,from a good source, that U.K.I.P. weren't going to contest this years local elections. Wrong. Then there was much speculation that Hartlepool First was really U.K.I.P. in disguise ,again wrong. Now we are told that Dave and Eric, of U.K.I.P, are at loggerheads and their dispute is damaging U.K.I.P. locally.  The first two rumours were proved to be incorrect so maybe Notintheshadow can provide some solid proof to justify his comments. If not retract them.
          It seems to me that U.K.I.P. have got somebody worried ,hence the need to produce damaging rumours. One thing that is true about U.K.I.P. is that it did not create the mess that this town is in .Only the Labour Party, aided and abetted by the Con/Lib party are to blame for that.

[beanzontoast]

Ok Marky we wont swing the thread into a debate about parking charges as it was only an example of to demonstrate how a few councillors, without a national party behind them will find it an uphill struggle to influence hearts and minds.

This brings me to George Galloway, this piece is how he did it and why he did it, some may find it to follow,some may find it daft but it willl prove to be accurate. First  George did indeed visit Gaddaffi, i believe he visited Sadam, but to find out what is going on we have to go back in Georges history.

George Galloway aka. Georgeous George is by his birth scottish, George is very, very, clever, and an equally good orator. The scottish people are or were made up of clans, and by their very nature are socialist in nature and naturally gravitate to the Labour Party as is their custom. ( the Labour Party as you know it is not what it would have you believe ) so true to his roots and his birth George WAS A MEMBER OF THE LABOUR PARTY i believe an MP no less.

[beanzontoast]

Wow congratulations Ryehill, you have it spot on

[Not Stephen Hadow]

I think BOT means nothing more sinister than Beanz OnToast but I could be wrong? I often am? Maybe it is a subtle put down or comment that went over my simple head?

Anyway, national parties have national and international agendas. I think that is a fairly self evident statement? National Parties also have local election manifestoes which they campaign on in local elections. I think I'm on safe ground here so far? However, the local election manifestoes inevitably address national issues which the party in power at local level cannot ever implement. A local election manifestoe for example that includes a pledge to end uncontrolled imigration, introduce elected hospital boards and build more grammar schools is promising something that can never be delivered in the local council chamber. At local level it should be about issues that local people can influence and control. I don't want to send any messages to Westminster, the time to do that is at a General Election. Local elections should be about local issues, not about sending national messages. Of course there would be no bigger message to send at the next general election than to tell all the national parties that the people of Hartlepool want a representaive in Westminster who will really be there to represent us in Westminster and not just represent the Labour Party.

[mk1]

As George pointed out to the US Senate Committee that tried to frame him with forged documents (boy did they get a Tiger by the tail, he wiped the floor with them!) he met Saddam exactly the same number of times as  the hawkish ultra right wing  Donald Rumsfeld, the US Secretary of Defense  The difference George pointed out was that Rumsfeld met Saddam  to sell him bombs and guns so he could kill his own people more effectively.

Beard Galloway at your peril!