The Hartlepool Post is going to be covering this in more detail but, in the meanwhile, here is some background from Facebook by those involved in the fight to save the Middleton Huts. This is not only a community of people but also home to a colony of cats. Does the council wish to lose this piece of heritage for it to become another fly-tipping site like the ramp onto the beach?
The Post has seen documentation confirming that PD Ports actually own the land and that HBC is just a 'middle man'.
'... we have 2 months and the Fishermen will have to move the cabins.
The council wanted to develope the marina so offered a huge carrot on a stick to get the fishermen to move their cabins and promised to subsidise the rent as the place they offered was more.They did not want to move but had no choice..
The council would have you believe they helped pay this rent from the goodness of their black hearts. NOT TRUE...
They would also have you believe that its P.D.Ports fault the cabins are going to be kicked off this plot. NOT TRUE...
The fishermens cabins are a piece of this towns heritage and we should fight to keep it...Also they the council would have you believe by planting people on fb to say so that several sites have been offered and the coucil would pay to move the cabins.. NOT QUITE TRUE...none of the sites are actually available..' Admin. note - these sites were not only not less than available but were largely in landlocked areas - hardly suitable for boats
'The rent was put up for each cabin for 2yrs before the cabin owners were told by the council so once told the cabin owners were in debt....do you think this is fair and legal? We as a town need to stand up against this council everywhere we can.
Hartlepool Life has publised our story, with Cranney interviewed and blaming P.D. Ports in print where he can not detract it. The Mail have then posted a sit on the fence story where they did speak to P.D.Ports who said the current lease that the council agreed to ends april 2019 but that the council have told them they want to terminate this agreement in feb 2018..
*the older photo is where the original cabins were and were happy there. But Mandale wanted the land and said it was for a tall ship repair center, that would bring in the town lots of work and money. NOT TRUE.. they then tried to fill in the bay which is behind where the marina shops etc now are. John Prescot got hold of the story and got it stopped just as they started filling in the water to make land to build on. nothing to do with a tall ship repair centre..'
To see this information in context/read more please see the following links:
https://www.facebook.com/Middleton-Cabin-Owners-Hartlepool-1069567936479879/?hc_location=group
https://www.facebook.com/wildcats.of.middleton/
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does anyone know what the middleton huts land might be need for ??
Quote from: jawsbbc on January 04, 2018, 07: PM
does anyone know what the middleton huts land might be need for ??
Somewhere for the council to dump there bull***t.
On a serious note hope they will survive.
Quote from: jawsbbc on January 04, 2018, 07: PM
does anyone know what the middleton huts land might be need for ??
Good point. If PD Ports own the land & aren't in a chasing hurry to change things why is HBC in such a rush?
It wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to erect a big shed to show off their new split ship - talking of which if they leave the Wingfield Castle much longer they will have a split ship of their own, without having to fork out for one that's in Southampton.
Quote from: stokoe on January 04, 2018, 07: PM
Quote from: jawsbbc on January 04, 2018, 07: PM
does anyone know what the middleton huts land might be need for ??
Somewhere for the council to dump there bull***t.
On a serious note hope they will survive.
A real community and part of our heritage.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 04, 2018, 07: PM
Quote from: jawsbbc on January 04, 2018, 07: PM
does anyone know what the middleton huts land might be need for ??
Good point. If PD Ports own the land & aren't in a chasing hurry to change things why is HBC in such a rush?
exactly something is coming off here mark my words
Planning application in for a 400ft lighthouse in gold, modelled on the dear leader dressed like Britannia?
Quote from: jeffh on January 04, 2018, 07: PM
It wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to erect a big shed to show off their new split ship - talking of which if they leave the Wingfield Castle much longer they will have a split ship of their own, without having to fork out for one that's in Southampton.
A couple of council meetings ago..... so I can't be sure.... but i seem to recall that the condition of HMS Rustbucket was on the agenda, Cranney was at the lectern giving us all the benefit of his Re-Generation acumen, and he mentioned that the council proposed to have a survey done on the vessel to determine its condition, I think a figure of £20k was mentioned.
The profit from one house on that land would be more than the rent for all the huts and then there is the council tax revenue to look forward to.
I can't see the logic of building houses there at the present time. The old Richardson Westgarth site is a huge builders yard and then there's the docks activity. However, if at some future date the dock activity was to cease and the 'branch office activity' transferred to Teesport as the south of the river appears to be where the activity will be, that land at Middleton could be a very lucrative site.
Who are the 3 ward councillors for this ward ?
Quote from: The Great Dictator on January 05, 2018, 08: AM
Who are the 3 ward councillors for this ward ?
Shane Moore - UKIP
Tim Fleming - UKIP
Dr Mike McLaughlin - Labour
people need to think, there is only one reason the council would take two years to tell the committee that the rent went up?
its a limited company on no profit basis?
so they could not pay and so had broke the contract when they got the huge sudden bill for two yrs extra! unfortunatley for the council it was not that easy, the fishermen managed to pull together and find it all so they did not break their contract and did pay the rent this is how your council works folks
the landowners are not wanting to sell or develope the land. they want the fishermens huts to stay. they are trying their best to make compromises but the council whom are the agents inbetween who have the rent contract are not helpful.
Whilst still spending money like sailors in port HBC seems to be trying to claw in every penny they can. If they were genuinely struggling financially they would surely cut the vanity projects rather than community resources? As two simple examples, just look at the attempted (abandoned) rise in allotment charges & the appalling loss of vulnerable people's emergency call facilities at the same time they're spending money on yet more artists' impressions of daydreams which (if they follow the usual pattern) will never come to fruition. Does priority go to pet projects ... even CICs? ;)
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 05, 2018, 01: PM
Whilst still spending money like sailors in port HBC seems to be trying to claw in every penny they can. If they were genuinely struggling financially they would surely cut the vanity projects rather than community resources? As two simple examples, just look at the attempted (abandoned) rise in allotment charges & the appalling loss of vulnerable people's emergency call facilities at the same time they're spending money on yet more artists' impressions of daydreams which (if they follow the usual pattern) will never come to fruition. Does priority go to pet projects ... even CICs? ;)
They're like some latter day dim Victorian land owners and think this is their 'estate'. The forelock tugging estate workers are living in hovels, working for peanuts while Lord Finetime Fontaine is commissioning yet another sculpture as his six fingered extended family applaud his genius(if the know what's good for them). He says the workers deserve more but he's suffering from the 'cuts' a condition that seems to have afflicted him for years without respite. He's splashing even more on the estate, though nothing much ever happens, and keeps saying this time next year we're going to .....etc, etc, blah de blah.
The residents need to apply pressure on them.
it is not true that they can not afford the rent subsidy any more. they dont actaully hand any real money over to P.D.Ports, as P.D.Ports pay out massive amounts in payments to help the town. money goes one way, money goes the other, with this small amount nothing changes hands.
Quote from: isolde on January 08, 2018, 01: PM
it is not true that they can not afford the rent subsidy any more. they dont actaully hand any real money over to P.D.Ports, as P.D.Ports pay out massive amounts in payments to help the town. money goes one way, money goes the other, with this small amount nothing changes hands.
The amount is just a drop in the ocean anyway when it comes to the council budget. Even less relevant if it is offset against PD Ports' contributions to the town.
Quote from: jeffh on January 05, 2018, 09: AM
Quote from: The Great Dictator on January 05, 2018, 08: AM
Who are the 3 ward councillors for this ward ?
Shane Moore - UKIP
Tim Fleming - UKIP
Dr Mike McLaughlin - Labour
l have wrote on the walls of Stephen Belcher, Shane Moore and Mike McLaughlin, about the fly tipping problem next to these cabins that will get worse if the huts and fence get removed if the council get their own way... but l can not find Tim Fleming on fb? can someone post a link please. l dont even know what he looks like
Will send HBC's link showing Tim Fleming's contact details via FB.
The Middleton Cabin Owners are holding an EGM regarding their fight to save the site. Would be great if people could go along and show their support. Here's a copy of their request on Facebook.
'Please be advised that an EGM has been organised for Sunday 21st January 2018, at the Hartlepool Smalcrafts Association starting prompt at 10-30am. All press and TV will be invited, along with Hartlepool Borough Council. Any voting that may take place will be strictly for Cabin Owners Only, apart from that we welcome people to come along.'
A bit more on this - see the Hartlepool Post's Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/groups/273708489455822/
l am speachless. all need to know its Shane Moore who has got this for us in the regeneration meeting and no other person....
this is propaganda....
Middleton Cabins proposal
Published Wednesday, 17th January 2018
Hartlepool Borough Council is taking a proposal to the Middleton Cabin owners which, if accepted, would enable the cabins to remain on their current site until April 2019.
The cabins, which originated in the 1950s, have been in their current location since 2009.
Hartlepool Borough Council previously enabled the Middleton cabin owners to remain on their current site by agreeing to lease the land from PD Ports at a market rate rent and then charge the cabin owners a subsidised rent.
However, due to severe budget pressures, the council was looking to serve a break notice to PD Ports and the cabin owners which would have taken effect in February 2018.
However, a meeting is now planned to take place tomorrow (Thursday 18 January) where a proposal will be made to cabin owners which would mean they can remain on their current site if they agree to pay the rent in full.
Councillor Kevin Cranney said: "After being lobbied by Councillor McLaughlin on a number of occasions regarding the Middleton Cabins and positive dialog with PD Ports, I am absolutely delighted we have been able to agree this proposal which would allow cabin owners to remain on the current site.
"We support local community groups wherever possible and this proposal gives them time to seek alternative options for their future."
Councillor Mike McLaughlin added: "I am pleased the Council is taking this positive step with the Middleton cabin owners.
"It is the result of many hours of lobbying the Chair of the Regeneration Services Policy Committee, other members of the Committee and the Council Leader and I am grateful for their agreement to my proposal.
"Ultimately, a way forward can only now be found by direct engagement between Council officers and the cabin owners and I wish them well in those discussions."
https://www.hartlepool.gov.uk/news/article/1110/middleton_cabins_proposal
During the Seaton Carew By-Election the LabMob Candidate boasted about several areas that were subject to fly tipping being cleared within 24 hours....... an almost miraculous response you may say considering the general rule of thumb for rubbish removal is 3 days.
So is anyone surprised by the statement issued by HBC & Cllrs Cranney and McLoughlin, no mention whatsoever of the work put into this by Cllrs Moore and Flemming ?
LABMob Propaganda of the lowest quality............Only in Hartlepool and Only Under the LabMob
Ye Gods ....
Quote from: isolde on January 17, 2018, 06: PM
Councillor Kevin Cranney said: "After being lobbied by Councillor McLaughlin on a number of occasions regarding the Middleton e and positive dialog with PD Ports, I am absolutely delighted we have been able to agree this proposal which would allow cabin owners to remain on the current site.
"We support local community groups wherever possible and this proposal gives them time to seek alternative options for their future."
Councillor Mike McLaughlin added: "I am pleased the Council is taking this positive step with the Middleton cabin owners.
Does he know where the cabins are?
They're definitely not in Wandsworth.
Has anyone actually asked (and received a reply) from either HBC or PD Ports as to WHY the cabin community need to vacate the site? If there is some proposed development by HBC or PD Ports, then why not share it with everyone. If PD Ports reply and say that there isn't any issue from their side, then, imo, HBC needs to either tell the truth :o or wind their neck in! As for the bull that Counc. Mclaughlin has actually done anything, he probably doesn't even know where Hartlepool is...never mind Middleton! HCLP...taking the p**S for over 50 years!
More from McLaughlin's Facebook page ... there's something very strange about this ...
'Last week I lobbied the Chair of the Regeneration committee Kevin Cranney and several committee members as well as the Leader of the Council Christopher Akers-Belcher to try and rescind the early termination of the Lease on Middleton Road for the Cabin owners. This was accepted should the Cabin owners place in writing their commitment to pay the entirety of the rent.
Attempts were made to convey this to the Cabin Owners over the weekend, prior to the Regeneration committee on Monday 15th January. This proved difficult due to maintenance work on the Council's email service.
Discussions at the Regeneration committee in the 15th January confirmed what had been agreed the previous week.
I am glad to see this has unlocked the stalemate and that further discussions between the Cabin Owners and Council officials are now planned.
It is entirely possible that Councillors, independent of each other worked towards a common aim. This is not about partisan politics, it is about Councillor effectiveness.
I have no doubt other councillors worked tirelessly with the Cabin Owners, but they did not engage in direct communication with the elected persons on the Regeneration Committee who could affect change in Favour for the Cabin Owners, prior to the Regeneration Committee on the 15th January, as I did.
For a Councillor to be effective they must talk to the right people and vitally, talk directly to those that can affect a change for your cause, not those that already agree with you.'
Interesting to see that the 'likes' on the page include CAB & some of the faithful retainers ...
A Labour councillor saying it is not about partisan politics.
So why doesn't he drop the Labour tag and become independent ?
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 18, 2018, 12: PM
More from McLaughlin's Facebook page ... there's something very strange about this ...
'Last week I lobbied the Chair of the Regeneration committee Kevin Cranney and several committee members as well as the Leader of the Council Christopher Akers-Belcher to try and rescind the early termination of the Lease on Middleton Road for the Cabin owners. This was accepted should the Cabin owners place in writing their commitment to pay the entirety of the rent.
Attempts were made to convey this to the Cabin Owners over the weekend, prior to the Regeneration committee on Monday 15th January. This proved difficult due to maintenance work on the Council's email service.
Why would you need to use the Council's email service, others are available aren't they?
Discussions at the Regeneration committee in the 15th January confirmed what had been agreed the previous week.
I'd be staggered if it wasn't confirmed
I am glad to see this has unlocked the stalemate and that further discussions between the Cabin Owners and Council officials are now planned.
Peace in our time?
It is entirely possible that Councillors, independent of each other worked towards a common aim. This is not about partisan politics, it is about Councillor effectiveness.
Such restrained modesty.
I have no doubt other councillors worked tirelessly with the Cabin Owners, but they did not engage in direct communication with the elected persons on the Regeneration Committee who could affect change in Favour for the Cabin Owners, prior to the Regeneration Committee on the 15th January, as I did.
Even more modesty, where does this end?
For a Councillor to be effective they must talk to the right people and vitally, talk directly to those that can affect a change for your cause, not those that already agree with you.'
You mean those in your party, who I'd assume would listen to you, as opposed to the other councillors who aren't in your party?
Interesting to see that the 'likes' on the page include CAB & some of the faithful retainers ...
Do you think he actually wrote it or did the Dear Leader have a hand in it ?
Quote from: Stig of the Seaton Dump on January 18, 2018, 03: PM
Do you think he actually wrote it or did the Dear Leader have a hand in it ?
Interesting thought - he 'liked' it on Facebook so must approve.
Perhaps the hut owners can let us know how many times they have had a face-to-face meeting with the good Doctor?
Anyone seen his dog getting exercised recently?
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 18, 2018, 03: PM
Quote from: Stig of the Seaton Dump on January 18, 2018, 03: PM
Do you think he actually wrote it or did the Dear Leader have a hand in it ?
Interesting thought - he 'liked' it on Facebook so must approve.
It's got belchers sticky paw prints all over it
load of didn't we do well propaganda
Hang about, there was punctuation, correct spelling and BIG words, so that eliminates the usual suspects. Oh, it wasn't in felt tip or wax crayon either, so it eliminates them completely.
The long distance Councillor is still being kept in the spotlight with such Uriah Heep fawning, so is it a sign the great communicator and visionary will be our next MP after all and the present incumbent merely keeping the seat warm?
They are still fighting like ferrets in a sack. Its hard to keep up with who is stabbing who in the back at the moment. You have to check the 'likes' to find out which group is doing down the other. Didn't take long for the new intake to fall into line and suck up to The SCABs in the hope they get a council seat. Principles go out of the window when you are 'on a promise' from The Dear Leader.
https://www.facebook.com/CllrMikeMcLaughlin/posts/531482183894026?comment_id=531722507203327&reply_comment_id=531895397186038&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R2%22%7D
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 18, 2018, 04: PM
The long distance Councillor is still being kept in the spotlight with such Uriah Heep fawning, so is it a sign the great communicator and visionary will be our next MP after all and the present incumbent merely keeping the seat warm?
Huge gap in his Facebook page from Dec to this.
Does he have a normal Facebook page as well as his Councillor one?
Quote from: mk1 on January 18, 2018, 05: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 18, 2018, 04: PM
The long distance Councillor is still being kept in the spotlight with such Uriah Heep fawning, so is it a sign the great communicator and visionary will be our next MP after all and the present incumbent merely keeping the seat warm?
Huge gap in his Facebook page from Dec to this.
Does he have a normal Facebook page as well as his Councillor one?
Yes - even more out of date. https://www.facebook.com/mike.mclaughlin.16
Yep that must be it. No one can see you.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/lDSY9e.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/polDSY9ej)
Reminds me of the old woman who complained about the people over the road:
' I sat in my window from 8 in the morning until 8 at night watching their house to see if they were spying on me..........
Quote from: mk1 on January 18, 2018, 05: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 18, 2018, 04: PM
The long distance Councillor is still being kept in the spotlight with such Uriah Heep fawning, so is it a sign the great communicator and visionary will be our next MP after all and the present incumbent merely keeping the seat warm?
Huge gap in his Facebook page from Dec to this.
Does he have a normal Facebook page as well as his Councillor one?
Yes but nothing on it...... Since October 2012.......... if they are going to this bother to keep him as a councillor......... I can well see the de-selection /Binning of the present incumbent.
Quote from: mk1 on January 18, 2018, 05: PM
Yep that must be it. No one can see you.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/lDSY9e.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/polDSY9ej)
Reminds me of the old woman who complained about the people over the road:
' I sat in my window from 8 in the morning until 8 at night watching their house to see if they were spying on me..........
to be fair you have to give him one thing
if your ever behind him in the bookies see what he backs
and avoid it like the plaugehis track record of backing losers is second to none ;D
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 18, 2018, 04: PM
Hang about, there was punctuation, correct spelling and BIG words, so that eliminates the usual suspects. Oh, it wasn't in felt tip or wax crayon either, so it eliminates them completely.
Isn't it EFFECT rather than Affect....just a thought!
Quote from: fred c on January 18, 2018, 05: PM
Quote from: mk1 on January 18, 2018, 05: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 18, 2018, 04: PM
The long distance Councillor is still being kept in the spotlight with such Uriah Heep fawning, so is it a sign the great communicator and visionary will be our next MP after all and the present incumbent merely keeping the seat warm?
Huge gap in his Facebook page from Dec to this.
Does he have a normal Facebook page as well as his Councillor one?
Yes but nothing on it...... Since October 2012.......... if they are going to this bother to keep him as a councillor......... I can well see the de-selection /Binning of the present incumbent.
judging by the way belcher is crawling up his *ss i would say its odds on ???
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 18, 2018, 02: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 18, 2018, 12: PM
More from McLaughlin's Facebook page ... there's something very strange about this ...
'Last week I lobbied the Chair of the Regeneration committee Kevin Cranney and several committee members as well as the Leader of the Council Christopher Akers-Belcher to try and rescind the early termination of the Lease on Middleton Road for the Cabin owners. This was accepted should the Cabin owners place in writing their commitment to pay the entirety of the rent.
Attempts were made to convey this to the Cabin Owners over the weekend, prior to the Regeneration committee on Monday 15th January. This proved difficult due to maintenance work on the Council's email service.
Why would you need to use the Council's email service, others are available aren't they?
Discussions at the Regeneration committee in the 15th January confirmed what had been agreed the previous week.
I'd be staggered if it wasn't confirmed
I am glad to see this has unlocked the stalemate and that further discussions between the Cabin Owners and Council officials are now planned.
Peace in our time?
It is entirely possible that Councillors, independent of each other worked towards a common aim. This is not about partisan politics, it is about Councillor effectiveness.
Such restrained modesty.
I have no doubt other councillors worked tirelessly with the Cabin Owners, but they did not engage in direct communication with the elected persons on the Regeneration Committee who could affect change in Favour for the Cabin Owners, prior to the Regeneration Committee on the 15th January, as I did.
Even more modesty, where does this end?
For a Councillor to be effective they must talk to the right people and vitally, talk directly to those that can affect a change for your cause, not those that already agree with you.'
You mean those in your party, who I'd assume would listen to you, as opposed to the other councillors who aren't in your party?
Interesting to see that the 'likes' on the page include CAB & some of the faithful retainers ...
McLaughlin messaged me early monday am saying he had had no reply from the Committe and when l told him they had replied he said the council site had been down....funny as he had messaged the cabins facebook page and its that that replied? also he has the phone number for the head of the committee. this was a set up.
and as far as lobbing before, the regeneration meeting? NOT TRUE he has spoken to no body on that committee before the meeting, he was not at the meeting as he is not on the committee.
Quote from: mk1 on January 18, 2018, 04: PM
Perhaps the hut owners can let us know how many times they have had a face-to-face meeting with the good Doctor?
Anyone seen his dog getting exercised recently?
not one and before the meeting on monday had not spoke to him. it WAS Shane Moore and the minutes of the meeting prove it
please click the link for information of a very important meeting on sunday morning at 10.30. we really need as many there as posible, this propaganda they are spreading to make all think its saved is not true. We really need the town behind us on this...its time to stand up and be coundted! .https://www.facebook.com/events/112250606249727/
Quote from: isolde on January 19, 2018, 09: AM
Quote from: mk1 on January 18, 2018, 04: PM
Perhaps the hut owners can let us know how many times they have had a face-to-face meeting with the good Doctor?
Anyone seen his dog getting exercised recently?
not one and before the meeting on monday had not spoke to him. it WAS Shane Moore and the minutes of the meeting prove it
Isolde......... Thanks for posting the facts of the matter.......I don't think anybody is surprised at this situation being hi-jacked for LabMob Propaganda purposes ::)
It isn't the first time they have claimed credit for work done by others...... there is something seriously amiss with the way the Labour / Tory council govern Hartlepool...... there is none or at best, very little scrutiny of the decision that are taken by them.
Quote from: fred c on January 19, 2018, 09: AM
Quote from: isolde on January 19, 2018, 09: AM
Quote from: mk1 on January 18, 2018, 04: PM
Perhaps the hut owners can let us know how many times they have had a face-to-face meeting with the good Doctor?
Anyone seen his dog getting exercised recently?
not one and before the meeting on monday had not spoke to him. it WAS Shane Moore and the minutes of the meeting prove it
Just to add to Fred's comments, there has been more than once when senior officers have helped the mob rewrite history.
The most comical one was where a tantrum was thrown and a meeting was ended early.
Apparently not according to the history books.
Isolde......... Thanks for posting the facts of the matter.......I don't think anybody is surprised at this situation being hi-jacked for LabMob Propaganda purposes ::)
It isn't the first time they have claimed credit for work done by others...... there is something seriously amiss with the way the Labour / Tory council govern Hartlepool...... there is none or at best, very little scrutiny of the decision that are taken by them.
Quote from: Johnny Bongo on January 18, 2018, 09: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 18, 2018, 04: PM
Hang about, there was punctuation, correct spelling and BIG words, so that eliminates the usual suspects. Oh, it wasn't in felt tip or wax crayon either, so it eliminates them completely.
Isn't it EFFECT rather than Affect....just a thought!
I was talking in relative terms. Don't forget, the word in question has more than one syllable, so in the circumstances they did really well.
Please see attached minutes of the EGM regarding the Cabins. Reason to be optimistic.
With thanks to Hartlepool Media Group.
https://youtu.be/qv317XGvpvI
Is there anything that mediocre mike won't support to get his kisser in the media? :o
One part of the Party creates the problem, another rides into town to find what's up.
If they ran the lifeboat they'd throw their granny off the pier, then rescue her and take the glory.
Do they only react to adverse public opinion?
I know (at my age) that nothing lasts forever...things change (not necessarily for the better) and it's called 'progress'! However (btw, this is a rhetorical question) is anyone else on this forum (and wider) of the opinion that HBC (or whoever controls it ;)), are 'dismantling' the town of Hartlepool piece by piece...and in effect, demoralising the citizens by destroying their general, everyday way of life! The Middleton huts are just another small piece that 'HBC' can use to turn this once proud town into a zombie wasteland, where they want no one to have any hobbies, interests, JOBS, quality of life! How many actions by HBC have had a negative effect on this town? Bus services reduced. Hospital A&E shut. Parking charges at Seaton (to stop people from enjoying themselves/ keeping fit, for free!). Libraries closed. I'm sure you all can think of dozens more...maybe we can put it on an election leaflet (for anyone except Labour/ Tory Councillors) at the next election! Please list them all so that people can see for themselves and rid this town, once and for all, of this Labour/ Tory plague!
JB
This will never happen as long as local candidates go under the banner of the national parties as the sheep will always vote as their great grandads did which is why at national level this town has been a safe seat for the past 54 years
Change will only happen when all candidates are independent
If they didn't have the security of the national party they'd be lucky to come third if they stood unopposed.
It seems that The National Party can intervene in Local issues.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labours-ruling-nec-votes-to-halt-haringey-council-hdv-scheme_uk_5a67625be4b0e5630073f84d?i3a&utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage
l can not see why the whole town can not see through hbc? This whole good doctor bland mp thing that week was funny if it was not so sad, the good doc must have been gagged and even tho he was not asked to speak mp bland butted in at the end anyway, trying now to take all the credit away from the good doctor. l am only happy cranny did not turn up but being such a livewire he was probably told not to. the good doc was easy for them to shut up as he sees a much bigger picture. one where he is the bland mp
Quote from: isolde on January 28, 2018, 06: PM
l can not see why the whole town can not see through hbc? This whole good doctor bland mp thing that week was funny if it was not so sad, the good doc must have been gagged and even tho he was not asked to speak mp bland butted in at the end anyway, trying now to take all the credit away from the good doctor. l am only happy cranny did not turn up but being such a livewire he was probably told not to. the good doc was easy for them to shut up as he sees a much bigger picture. one where he is the bland mp
they can but the wet woodbine is a mate of that pr*ck in yakker land
and he talks a good job (ooo look this is a pic of 20 tons of dolomite ;D ;D ;D)
if the lads down there need owt my email is in my profile
as long as its not folding
the yank is bleeding me dry ;D
update
so far all grants have been turned down. The fishermen's cabins will end up having to move. Goodness knows where as the list of 8 alternatives that Tom Cook went on about on the cabins fb page are a no go. I did ask him how he knew of that list as it was just between HBC and the committee in a letter saying that none were available so l also asked him why he had not said that in his comment? he did not reply.
anyway l am rambling.
we are going to need all the help we can get.
why move them when that spot is no good for anyone else and P.D.Ports will then have it empty with no fence so the fly tipping on the sea ramp will spread there. also the colony of wildcats will have no safe place
If grant money isn't forthcoming, maybe the councillors could chip in with their ward budgets? After all, the good doctor is so firmly behind the cabins that he moves miracles. Didn't Mike Hill herald a positive outcome?
I'll get in touch with Ron and see where I may be of assistance again.
Quote from: SRMoore on March 26, 2018, 12: PM
I'll get in touch with Ron and see where I may be of assistance again.
That would be brilliant. Thanks.
It's strange..... but I was sure I heard 'The Charge' blown on a Bugle this morning...... Now this news, so I knew I had actually heard it...... It can only be the 'Member and The Doc' galloping up from London to rescue the situation...... Like they did the First Time around.
Why not pop round to see the Dear Leader for an interest free loan ?
Anth the good Doctor is busy emailing the Council about Travellers. I doubt he has any more time for the huts.
https://www.facebook.com/CllrMikeMcLaughlin/posts/563955593980018
Perhaps if you knocked up a poster our MP could come and get his photo taken holding it?
https://www.facebook.com/mikehillmp/photos/a.183021875607069.1073741830.104693703439887/207690479806875/?type=3&theater
Has the Doc got a geostationary satellite orbiting above the Headland and Harbour ward....it's either that or he has an Alter Ego operating in Artlepool.
Quote from: fred c on March 26, 2018, 03: PM
Has the Doc got a geostationary satellite orbiting above the Headland and Harbour ward....it's either that or he has an Alter Ego operating in Artlepool.
well he ain't got a satellite
so Mr frain must be busy
Quote from: mk1 on March 26, 2018, 02: PM
Anth the good Doctor is busy emailing the Council about Travellers. I doubt he has any more time for the huts.
https://www.facebook.com/CllrMikeMcLaughlin/posts/563955593980018
Perhaps if you knocked up a poster our MP could come and get his photo taken holding it?
https://www.facebook.com/mikehillmp/photos/a.183021875607069.1073741830.104693703439887/207690479806875/?type=3&theater
Who wants to tell him they were on the Central Playing Fields and not West View which is in the De Brus Ward.
I spoke to them last night when I took the dog for a walk and they were only staying the night. True enough they've gone now.
Quote from: SRMoore on March 26, 2018, 04: PM
Quote from: mk1 on March 26, 2018, 02: PM
Anth the good Doctor is busy emailing the Council about Travellers. I doubt he has any more time for the huts.
https://www.facebook.com/CllrMikeMcLaughlin/posts/563955593980018
Perhaps if you knocked up a poster our MP could come and get his photo taken holding it?
https://www.facebook.com/mikehillmp/photos/a.183021875607069.1073741830.104693703439887/207690479806875/?type=3&theater
Who wants to tell him they were on the Central Playing Fields and not West View which is in the De Brus Ward.
I spoke to them last night when I took the dog for a walk and they were only staying the night. True enough they've gone now.
I only went to a secondry moden skool...... but even I no that you need to be standin next to a pairson to be able to speek to them.....so it wood be imposabal to do it from Lundun :P
It's looking more and more like the work of an Alter Ego.....who could that be I wonder ?
Quote from: SRMoore on March 26, 2018, 12: PM
I'll get in touch with Ron and see where I may be of assistance again.
ha ha yes he did, he gave a list of grants that can be tried, literally all of them with no help.
he mainly went to get his photo in the paper saying he was helping.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on March 26, 2018, 01: PM
Quote from: SRMoore on March 26, 2018, 12: PM
I'll get in touch with Ron and see where I may be of assistance again.
That would be brilliant. Thanks.
thank you, the good doc offered but as with hill, l feel its empty offers, Ron turned him down, one fisherman thinks that was wrong and the good doc should be used since they need the votes just now and is close to the councillor whom has himself got each of his own failed projects their grants. His thinking is get the good doc to help and cranny will help him. l did not think so
Quote from: kevplumb on March 26, 2018, 03: PM
Quote from: fred c on March 26, 2018, 03: PM
Has the Doc got a geostationary satellite orbiting above the Headland and Harbour ward....it's either that or he has an Alter Ego operating in Artlepool.
well he ain't got a satellite
so Mr frain must be busy
do not forget Cook
Quote from: isolde on March 26, 2018, 09: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on March 26, 2018, 01: PM
Quote from: SRMoore on March 26, 2018, 12: PM
I'll get in touch with Ron and see where I may be of assistance again.
That would be brilliant. Thanks.
thank you, the good doc offered but as with hill, l feel its empty offers, Ron turned him down, one fisherman thinks that was wrong and the good doc should be used since they need the votes just now and is close to the councillor whom has himself got each of his own failed projects their grants. His thinking is get the good doc to help and cranny will help him. l did not think so
please tell ron to tell his fisherman friend not to go down that route thats what they are wanting go public again
Clueless out-of-town carpetbagger tries to connect with his new abode:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/AmxsmM.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poAmxsmMj)
Agenda-setting, widely read and independent local forum points out the stranger's error:
Quote from: SRMoore on March 26, 2018, 04: PM
Who wants to tell him they were on the Central Playing Fields and not West View which is in the De Brus Ward.
The stranger's minders, who are constantly checking the agenda-setting, widely read and independent local forum, spot the message highlighting the error. They (rather than the carpetbagger who has ended his brief sojourn in his promised fiefdom and raced back to his main residence in London) quickly scramble to use their shared log-on powers to edit the location and mitigate the damage to the MP-in-waiting's credibility:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/fhMBnd.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmfhMBndj)
Churlishly no acknowledgement is given for the help they received from the agenda-setting, widely read and independent local forum.
I wonder which minion Anth has delegated to constantly monitor The Post?
When I was employed there was always at least one bloke who was prepared to do the gaffa's menial tasks...... amongst the rest of the lads he became known as the P***boy..... times have moved on and Minion is now in vogue.........on balance I think I still prefer P***boy ::)
If someone put in a post saying the tide was coming in disrupting walks on the beach he'd give the same reply
What alternative sites have been touted.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on March 27, 2018, 09: AM
What alternative sites have been touted.
The potential (unavailable) sites were all inland - as I remember they included Brenda Road/Golden Flatts. Not exactly convenient places to store fishing equipment/boats.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on March 27, 2018, 12: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on March 27, 2018, 09: AM
What alternative sites have been touted.
The potential (unavailable) sites were all inland - as I remember they included Brenda Road/Golden Flatts. Not exactly convenient places to store fishing equipment/boats.
This from the people that moved the council depot out of town and had to allow people an hour extra to get to work because of transport/parking issues ?
Are these people taking the mick or so insufferably thick the can't make the connection between fishermen and the sea ?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on March 27, 2018, 12: PM
Are these people taking the mick or so insufferably thick the can't make the connection between fishermen and the sea ?
I sincerely believe that HCLP want to destroy everyone's lives in Hartlepool. One way to do it being to remove any hobbies/ pleasures that people have, ie, allotments, Middleton huts, etc...and by removing essential services.
You have hit the nail right on the head!!
Quote from: jawsbbc on March 26, 2018, 11: PM
Quote from: isolde on March 26, 2018, 09: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on March 26, 2018, 01: PM
Quote from: SRMoore on March 26, 2018, 12: PM
I'll get in touch with Ron and see where I may be of assistance again.
That would be brilliant. Thanks.
thank you, the good doc offered but as with hill, l feel its empty offers, Ron turned him down, one fisherman thinks that was wrong and the good doc should be used since they need the votes just now and is close to the councillor whom has himself got each of his own failed projects their grants. His thinking is get the good doc to help and cranny will help him. l did not think so
please tell ron to tell his fisherman friend not to go down that route thats what they are wanting go public again
l agree entirely, l got a strong bad feeling about the good doc in the run up to our meeting. then when he turned up after telling the world on fb that he did everything to help he sat near the door very quiet. His caretaker mike hill waited til the end as no one was asked to speak and he forced his oar in. They most certainly had an agenda and Ron is not daft. l have told my friend asking for help from the good doc would not bring any help at all but he thinks they will do anything in the run up to these elections. l told him Shane Moore will help with no agenda. He thinks the fact the good doc is so pally with cranny who is an expert on getting grants is a good idea. l said Shane will be more help and cranny would not help
Quote from: mk1 on March 27, 2018, 02: AM
Clueless out-of-town carpetbagger tries to connect with his new abode:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/AmxsmM.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/poAmxsmMj)
dont forget cook also runs his fb for him
Agenda-setting, widely read and independent local forum points out the stranger's error:
Quote from: SRMoore on March 26, 2018, 04: PM
Who wants to tell him they were on the Central Playing Fields and not West View which is in the De Brus Ward.
The stranger's minders, who are constantly checking the agenda-setting, widely read and independent local forum, spot the message highlighting the error. They (rather than the carpetbagger who has ended his brief sojourn in his promised fiefdom and raced back to his main residence in London) quickly scramble to use their shared log-on powers to edit the location and mitigate the damage to the MP-in-waiting's credibility:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/fhMBnd.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmfhMBndj)
Churlishly no acknowledgement is given for the help they received from the agenda-setting, widely read and independent local forum.
I wonder which minion Anth has delegated to constantly monitor The Post?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on March 27, 2018, 09: AM
What alternative sites have been touted.
sites were listed on a letter to the committee from hbc but it said 'none were available'
you also have to remember that these are fishermens huts and all sites were inland so not much good if they were available. Also you need to remember they started with a fabulous site they were bullied into moving from by mandleson and hbc dangled this carrot of offering to subsidies it then now take that away and leave then no alternative.
Tom Cook tries to spread propaganda saying the council did this out of the goodness of its heart. Now can not afford to subsidies it. Not true at all.
the list of sites that hbc told the committee to look at then added they are all unavailable
Land at Golden Flatts.
Land at Graythorp;
Land at Brenda Road (Slag Banks);
Land at Bruntoft Ave;
Land at Hirdman Grove;
Land at Vincent Street.
Considering the Fish Quay Vision was not delivered and there isn't a row a restaurants etc.
Is there room there for the huts ?
Tom Cook is another one of the Corbynites who knows exactly what is wrong with the labour group, but he along with Anth, Clayton, McGovern et al don't have the balls to do anything about it...
Quote from: fred c on March 29, 2018, 03: PM
Tom Cook is another one of the Corbynites who knows exactly what is wrong with the labour group, but he along with Anth, Clayton, McGovern et al don't have the balls to do anything about it...
AKA the
Andy Simms Collective.
Quote from: fred c on March 29, 2018, 03: PM
Tom Cook is another one of the Corbynites who knows exactly what is wrong with the labour group, but he along with Anth, Clayton, McGovern et al don't have the balls to do anything about it...
frain did say something sensible on the cabins page, they both went to write pro hbc stuff on each post but he did say p.d. ports could do more and they could as they do a lot for local charity and the town
copied from the page
Tom Cook Middleton Cabin Owners Hartlepool also, HBC would basically be subsidising PD Ports as a business with our council tax in doing that. PD Ports should be supporting community groups to allow Cabin Owners to keep their premises. Maybe HBC could put pressure on them somehow though?
Quote from: isolde on March 29, 2018, 04: PM
Quote from: fred c on March 29, 2018, 03: PM
Tom Cook is another one of the Corbynites who knows exactly what is wrong with the labour group, but he along with Anth, Clayton, McGovern et al don't have the balls to do anything about it...
frain did say something sensible on the cabins page, they both went to write pro hbc stuff on each post but he did say p.d. ports could do more and they could as they do a lot for local charity and the town
copied from the page
Tom Cook Middleton Cabin Owners Hartlepool also, HBC would basically be subsidising PD Ports as a business with our council tax in doing that. PD Ports should be supporting community groups to allow Cabin Owners to keep their premises. Maybe HBC could put pressure on them somehow though?
HBC had no problems subsidising the Cafe in the Crem to the tune of £77k over 3 loss making years, so for Cook to throw the ball into PD ports court is aimed at taking criticism off the council.
Lets face it, if a cabal councillor needed a £10k a year subsidy for a 'Little CIC Organisation'......going by past examples eg. 'WCNE received £680k plus' they would almost certainly get it......
Quote from: isolde on March 29, 2018, 04: PM
Quote from: fred c on March 29, 2018, 03: PM
Tom Cook is another one of the Corbynites who knows exactly what is wrong with the labour group, but he along with Anth, Clayton, McGovern et al don't have the balls to do anything about it...
frain did say something sensible on the cabins page, they both went to write pro hbc stuff on each post but he did say p.d. ports could do more and they could as they do a lot for local charity and the town
copied from the page
Tom Cook Middleton Cabin Owners Hartlepool also, HBC would basicallyS be subsidising PD Ports as a business with our council tax in doing that. PD Ports should be supporting community groups to allow Cabin Owners to keep their premises. Maybe HBC could put pressure on them somehow though?
PLEASE GO PUBLIC AGAIN AND PRINT THE PLACES WERE HBC HAVE OFFERED THE CABIN OWNER
Any fool knows those sites are a joke. Therefore I can only assume someone is taking the p*** on an industrial scale. What next, the lifeboat station relocated to Elwick and the lighthouse to Dalton? Because that is the level of arrogant twaddle they're coming out with. Such a pity it's not an approved vanity project that's caught the eye of the whimsical Bon viveurs.
Their comprehension of the meaning of this community is about as much as my understanding of midwifery techniques in 12th century China. Zero!
And what is this siteearmarked for, disturbing reports of the 150 ft statue of a prominent visionary in a golden cat suit with open arms welcoming sailors to the Marina is a rumour I hope?
update today from Middleton Cabin fb page
UPDATE
A meeting was held with Hartlepool Borough Council on Wednesday 28th March 2018 to review progress to date and to explore other ways to resolve the present problems. The conclusion was positive. We have applied to three separate fund providers and have now received negative answers from each provider. The problem is because fund providers look for projects that will assist a community. The Cabin Owners own their individual cabins and are therefore seen as individuals with any funds provided being seen to support the individuals.
Quote from: isolde on March 30, 2018, 03: PM
update today from Middleton Cabin fb page
UPDATE
A meeting was held with Hartlepool Borough Council on Wednesday 28th March 2018 to review progress to date and to explore other ways to resolve the present problems. The conclusion was positive. We have applied to three separate fund providers and have now received negative answers from each provider. The problem is because fund providers look for projects that will assist a community. The Cabin Owners own their individual cabins and are therefore seen as individuals with any funds provided being seen to support the individuals.
and i bet my bottom dollar hbc knew all about the The Cabin Owners own their individual cabins and are therefore seen as individuals with any funds provided being seen to support the individuals.
Quote from: jawsbbc on March 30, 2018, 07: PM
Quote from: isolde on March 30, 2018, 03: PM
update today from Middleton Cabin fb page
UPDATE
A meeting was held with Hartlepool Borough Council on Wednesday 28th March 2018 to review progress to date and to explore other ways to resolve the present problems. The conclusion was positive. We have applied to three separate fund providers and have now received negative answers from each provider. The problem is because fund providers look for projects that will assist a community. The Cabin Owners own their individual cabins and are therefore seen as individuals with any funds provided being seen to support the individuals.
and i bet my bottom dollar hbc knew all about the The Cabin Owners own their individual cabins and are therefore seen as individuals with any funds provided being seen to support the individuals.
of course, they knew which is why they did not offer real help. all they did was the usual political spin, pretended to help but do nothing. and got a pic in the paper doing so which makes the sheople think they rode in on their white charger to save the day, yet saved nothing at all
Quote from: isolde on March 31, 2018, 05: PM
Quote from: jawsbbc on March 30, 2018, 07: PM
Quote from: isolde on March 30, 2018, 03: PM
update today from Middleton Cabin fb page
UPDATE
A meeting was held with Hartlepool Borough Council on Wednesday 28th March 2018 to review progress to date and to explore other ways to resolve the present problems. The conclusion was positive. We have applied to three separate fund providers and have now received negative answers from each provider. The problem is because fund providers look for projects that will assist a community. The Cabin Owners own their individual cabins and are therefore seen as individuals with any funds provided being seen to support the individuals.
and i bet my bottom dollar hbc knew all about the The Cabin Owners own their individual cabins and are therefore seen as individuals with any funds provided being seen to support the individuals.
of course, they knew which is why they did not offer real help. all they did was the usual political spin, pretended to help but do nothing. and got a pic in the paper doing so which makes the sheople think they rode in on their white charger to save the day, yet saved nothing at all
Sounds just like the A&E and a dozen other things
interesting post on twitter, interesting because they also told the cabin owners when they were on what is now the marina that if they did not take the deal from the council then he would just bulldoze the cabins to get the land...
My Sweet Landlord
@MySweetLandlord
"Mandelson faced calls for new sleaze inquiry after it was revealed he used threats to force 1 of GB's leading media firms to sack editor."
The usual guff. They turn up at the beginning banging the drum of support, leading the charge, hogging the limelight, while the limelight was there. Faces in print, impression made.
Now, when the help is needed, they've disappeared, but then there's no mileage in failure, no positives, no limelight and certainly nowhere to be for a pic in the papers.
They've rode off on the horse they rode in on.
the fishermen have told me a story that l cannot find in the papers, not even hartlepool fail.
Arround the time when Mandleson and his company were trying to get the original cabins plot they did get the area behind in and behind the shops. It is where boats can come in, not the actual marina, but behind and upto the back of the shops. The actually started filling in the water with stone to make a base to build on.
John Prescott got hold of this story because he is a boat holder or use to be when younger so is passionate about this subject. lt is a shame that he did not get involved with the cabins.
Anyway, he came to hartlepool guns blazing and got it stopped. Why was this not big news? I tried to find it in the mail but they seemed to have run every other story on Prescott but that.
This all tells you why the cabins are not helped by a certain member who could. A member thick as thieves with Mandleson in those days agains the cabins to get as much land round the marina area as possible to build upon.
Does anyone know about this story? I run a group where l am trying to preserve the History of Middleton and thought it would be good to post there but also its another thing the sheople need educating upon
Quote from: isolde on April 03, 2018, 11: AM
the fishermen have told me a story that l cannot find in the papers, not even hartlepool fail.
Arround the time when Mandleson and his company were trying to get the original cabins plot they did get the area behind in and behind the shops. It is where boats can come in, not the actual marina, but behind and upto the back of the shops. The actually started filling in the water with stone to make a base to build on.
John Prescott got hold of this story because he is a boat holder or use to be when younger so is passionate about this subject. lt is a shame that he did not get involved with the cabins.
Anyway, he came to hartlepool guns blazing and got it stopped. Why was this not big news? I tried to find it in the mail but they seemed to have run every other story on Prescott but that.
This all tells you why the cabins are not helped by a certain member who could. A member thick as thieves with Mandleson in those days agains the cabins to get as much land round the marina area as possible to build upon.
Does anyone know about this story? I run a group where l am trying to preserve the History of Middleton and thought it would be good to post there but also its another thing the sheople need educating upon
was this member mandleson,s gardener at the time by any chance??
I was not here then
I'm told it was cab
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5293035/MPs-expenses-Questions-over-timing-of-Peter-Mandelsons-house-claim.html
It was Stephen Akers-Belcher and Michael Johnson who scammed the money
I'm afraid I was thinking a totally different scenario in my head. l have heard a lot about parties for want of a better word