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Politics => Local Issues and Matters => Topic started by: mk1 on April 20, 2013, 09: PM

Title: Wynyard Hospital.........................
Post by: mk1 on April 20, 2013, 09: PM
http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/local/wynyard-hospital-plans-move-a-step-forward-1-5596906



North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Foundation Trust has received a submission from Brookfield Multiplex to design, build and operate the new hospital, which is due to open in 2017.

The trust will work closely with Brookfield Multiplex in the coming months to refine the design and ensure its final bid represents value for money


Did a Google on Brookfield and it was very interesting. They just liquidated the New Zealand branch a week after setting up a near identical firm with the same Directors.

http://m.nbr.co.nz/article/brookfield-multiplex-cites-lack-projects-liquidation-nz-unit-bd-134381#comments

Cynics say it was due possible claims against the company.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10874766


The firm has also taken legal action in Australia on a narrow technical point ("Brookfield Multiplex's approach is to focus on technical points of law rather than rectifying the defects or improving building quality practice") to avoid compensation claims for faulty builds.

http://www.brw.com.au/p/investing/ruling_makes_it_harder_to_sue_your_IzByBlxiXVTpEiOl8jvZGN


And in the UK we have Wembley.....


Football Association hits roof with builders Brookfield Multiplex over leaky Wembley roof.............................


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/9866062/Football-Association-hits-roof-with-builders-Brookfield-Multiplex-over-leaky-Wembley-roof.html

Looks promising!
Title: Re: Wynyard Hospital.........................
Post by: fred c on April 21, 2013, 08: AM
Auckland & NSW will be a nice little run out for Foster & his Chairman...plus the usual hangers on of course.... Business Class ??????
Title: Re: Wynyard Hospital.........................
Post by: marky on April 21, 2013, 09: AM
It's still the weekend so let's have a game of 'Spot the Difference.'

Have a read of the Mail story on mk1's link and then 'compare and contrast' with this story from the Evening Gazette:

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2013/04/20/concern-as-construction-groups-pull-out-of-bidding-for-299m-wynyard-hospital-84229-33206128/ (http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2013/04/20/concern-as-construction-groups-pull-out-of-bidding-for-299m-wynyard-hospital-84229-33206128/)

Did you spot the difference? Just how far up the ar** of the Hospital Trust is the Hartlepool Mail?
Title: Re: Wynyard Hospital.........................
Post by: steveL on April 21, 2013, 12: PM
good write up marky and you're right, the Mail appear to have missed out a rather important part of the story.
Title: Re: Wynyard Hospital.........................
Post by: fred c on April 21, 2013, 03: PM
A Stockton MP has said that it is a "cause for concern" that two construction groups have pulled out of the bidding to build a new £299m hospital at Wynyard.

I looked through the article several times........ I didn`t see a Quote from our vertically challenged "Member"........... Hardly surprising really, conspicuous by his absence when it comes to the Hospital Closure.
Title: Re: Wynyard Hospital.........................
Post by: SRMoore on April 21, 2013, 05: PM
Interesting that it fell on the only Conservative MP, James Wharton, to point that fact out Fred. The Labour lot are either too busy hiding or shouting their support because it means spending other peoples money.
Title: Re: Wynyard Hospital.........................
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 21, 2013, 07: PM
I wonder if it's possible to check how many people who would have previously used A&E at Hartlepool now travel thtough to North Tees or use the One life minor injuries bit
. Annual figures for the past ten years would make an interesting comparison. Let's be honest, if you didn't have access to a car, would you attempt the journey  unless desperate ...as for the one life, what's the point ....?
Title: Re: Wynyard Hospital.........................
Post by: marky on April 23, 2013, 09: AM
I think the Tory makes an important point in that, even as our own services dissappear, there is nothing definite about a new hospital at Wynyard and with only one bidder now in the race because all others "couldn't get the figures to stack up", I don't see any competition going on here. Knowing that the Trust doesn't have an alternative is hardly going to make the remaining bidder particularly cost conscious - it's going to be more like a 'take it or leave it' situation.
Title: Re: Wynyard Hospital.........................
Post by: fred c on April 23, 2013, 02: PM
I will attempt to put the "Single Bid" process for the World Class Hospital into Laymans Terms.

They Will Rip The Ar*e

Out Of North Tees & Hartlepool NHS Trust
Title: Re: Wynyard Hospital.........................
Post by: not4me on April 27, 2013, 09: AM
looks like another example of The Mail responding to this site after its shameful early coverage of the trust's press release when it forgot to mention that another bidder had dropped out.

I don't know what it is with The Mail. It seems prepared to spin the wheel for everyone except the people it wants to buy its paper.

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/local/sole-bidder-totally-committed-to-building-300m-wynyard-hospital-1-5618048 (http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/local/sole-bidder-totally-committed-to-building-300m-wynyard-hospital-1-5618048)
Title: Re: Wynyard Hospital.........................
Post by: fred c on May 01, 2013, 08: AM
If further proof that PFI is a massive Millstone around the necks of the taxpayers, this article reinforces the point, with 1 project costing a staggering 12 Times the actual estmated cost.

The Mis-Trust & its board really should explain to the public exactly how much the "End Cost" of the proposed 1 Bidder Hospital will be.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-22355993

Title: Re: Wynyard Hospital.........................
Post by: The Great Dictator on May 01, 2013, 09: AM
I thought the Tories had stopped all this PFI shi* ?
Title: Re: Wynyard Hospital.........................
Post by: SRMoore on May 01, 2013, 11: AM
The government won't underwrite new PFI deals atm. Foster knows this and is obviously pinning his hopes on a that being changed when the treasury finalise a report on how any future PFI deals will be controlled so as not to result in those like the one Fred pointed out.
Title: Re: Wynyard Hospital.........................
Post by: testing times on May 02, 2013, 11: AM
I don't think anyone is playing straight on this whole subject and I wouldn't bet on anything until the new hospital's canteen is actually open and serving bacon sandwiches..