Alternatives to UKIP?

[mk1]

  A question for S.M. are the local Conservatives going to hold an open primary to select their candidate? Or have they already selected someone for the poisoned chalice.

Shane knows full well who will be running. He just does not want to reveal it yet.

By the way I think you and the other UKIPers believe this is a forum that  naturaly sides with you when in fact you are just another political party squabbling with the other parties. Your are part of the problem not the siolution.

[Bimba1]

MK1       Spot on...couldn't have put it better myself.

[Ryehill]

You don't have to be mega-rich to pay inheritance tax .The current threshold is £325k. The average house price is £190k. So an awful lot of ordinary people fall into that bracket.

[Party Pooper]

Basically I see UKIP as the anti European wing of the Conservative party. Their known policies for working  people are most sinister than the Tories, for example wanting to reduce maternity leave/ pay, scrap the minimum wage, open the NHS up to even more to market forces. Make it that you would need to be employed for 2 years before you would have the right to claim against any form of discrimination. So women, young people , or older people and the disabled could be sacked because they are pregnant women or plan to have a family or because they are young or old or disabled and have no recourse to justice! I haven't mentioned discrimination on race grounds because it is pretty obvious to anyone with an average or above IQ that they are fundamentally racist all be it that they tend to accept one German woman living and working in Britain.
Sorry but that's not the type of future I want to see .
As for alternatives to UKIP yes there are loads and don't just base your options of the pile of poo that represents the main political parties in Hartlepool.
The UKIP candidate has invited everyone who read this forum to vote for him, surely he can tell us what his and his party policies are so we can make an informed choice.

[Mican]

it is pretty obvious to anyone with an average or above IQ that they are fundamentally racist

Not a UKIP member or supporter but can you tell me what makes you say the PARTY is fundamentally racist?

[beanzontoast]

The torys voted again tonight in council chamber, again as a man and lady voted  with Labour,   no principles Shane, it is as you say dissapointing, will you say you have been selected as the tory MP for Hartlepool, simple question only requires an equally simple answer, you can of course ask a friend,  its disapointingly simple yes or no

[one direction]

I haven't mentioned discrimination on race grounds because it is pretty obvious to anyone with an average or above IQ that they are fundamentally racist

I have read the UKIP manifesto and there are loads of policies I disagree with but there are also things I agree with. For example their opposition to wind farms and their support of nuclear and clean burn coal technologies. Without doubt, in my opinion, the only viable way forward for keeping the lights on in the UK. 

I can say the same about the Tory manifesto, Labour manifesto and even the Lib-Dem or Green manifesto. I doubt very much there is anyone other than a total fanatic who can honestly say they 100% agree with everything in the manifesto of their chosen party.

However, no where in the UKIP Manifesto have I found any policy that can be described as racist if the definition of racism relies upon skin colour or overt physical characteristics. What I have found are policies that are very nationalistic in that they support the British national interest above other national interests.

That is apparently very distasteful to some people but its NOT racist. Of course it is racist if you include in your definition of racism every person in the UK who cheered on Team GB at the Olympics? Any Englishman or woman who wants England to win the next world cup? Any Scotsman or woman shouting at Murrayfield, next February 15th, for the Scots to smash Wales in the 6 nations. Loving your country is not being a racist.

So the people on this forum posting "racist racist racist" could they actually produce a policy of UKIPs that is racist rather than nationalist. Or if you can't could you tell me why its wrong to be a nationalist? It seems to be working out very well for the Scots at the moment and no one is screaming racist at them?

[Bimba1]

One direction

Many people claim UKIP to be a racist party you only have to look on social media sites especially Twitter.

They also feel the veneer will peel away eventually due to their cosmetic makeover and their constant changes of policies.

At the last election UKIP's policy in Scotland was to abolish the Scottish Parliament a policy they have since changed.

[Party Pooper]

A policy does not have to specifically mention skin colour to make it racist, have a look at their housing policy, about grandparents having to have been born locally, who do you think that discriminates against.?
There is also Nigel Farage's racist slur on Rumanian people, of course he's was "tired out "at the time. Apart from the BNP what other party leader would have made such a comment?
Then there is Nigel's wish that his party stops attracting racists. Well Nigel stop putting down cheese and you will stop attracting mice.
If a party attracts socialists but says it's not a socialist party what would you think? They must have something that attracts the socialists.
If a party attracts racists does that not make them fundamentally racists? Or is it like the free masons who claim they are not a secret society but merely a society with secrets. If UKIP are not a racist party are they a party with racists .?
I accept that not everyone who supports or who is even a member of UKIP is racist but then not everyone who is a member of the Labour Party is a socialist ( plenty of local examples of that). But why does UKIP attract more racists than any other main stream party? As for environmental issues the Greens offer more credible policies on that subject.

[one direction]

Many people claim UKIP to be a racist party you only have to look on social media sites especially Twitter.

They also feel the veneer will peel away eventually due to their cosmetic makeover and their constant changes of policies.

At the last election UKIP's policy in Scotland was to abolish the Scottish Parliament a policy they have since changed.

Many people on the internet and social media sites claim Elvis is still alive, the americans never made it to the moon and Princess Diana was killed because she was pregnant with Dodi's baby. So if your standard of proof is you read it on the internet then you must also believe Wikipedia  is the font of all knowledge?

have you never known any other party change its policies on anything? If labour or the tories change their policy on something then its called listening to people and responding! So why is UKIP doing the same thing  a bad thing?

I have no idea what point you are trying to make about the Scottish assembly!

BUT,  back to my original my original question. Can you quote a policy of UKIPs that is racist? Not just a hearsay or "everyone knows" but an actual example that you yourself can point at as a fact? 

[Inspector Knacker]

This topic is like two lines of dreadnoughts hurling broadside after broadside at each other while the shells bounce harmlessly off each others armour amid much smoke and noise.
Meanwhile Admiral Wright views events from a safe distance and sleeps a bit sounder.

[Party Pooper]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100261889/ukip-are-now-a-racist-party/

This worth a read, very interesting point on nationalism and poor Nigel's response to those Scottish people in Edinburgh who invited him to leave their country.

[one direction]

A policy does not have to specifically mention skin colour to make it racist, have a look at their housing policy, about grandparents having to have been born locally, who do you think that discriminates against.?
There is also Nigel Farage's racist slur on Rumanian people, of course he's was "tired out "at the time. Apart from the BNP what other party leader would have made such a comment?
Then there is Nigel's wish that his party stops attracting racists. Well Nigel stop putting down cheese and you will stop attracting mice.
If a party attracts socialists but says it's not a socialist party what would you think? They must have something that attracts the socialists.
If a party attracts racists does that not make them fundamentally racists? Or is it like the free masons who claim they are not a secret society but merely a society with secrets. If UKIP are not a racist party are they a party with racists .?
I accept that not everyone who supports or who is even a member of UKIP is racist but then not everyone who is a member of the Labour Party is a socialist ( plenty of local examples of that). But why does UKIP attract more racists than any other main stream party? As for environmental issues the Greens offer more credible policies on that subject.

So many things wrong in that post  that its hard to know where to start. The local housing policy discriminates in favour of people with established roots in an area, whats wrong with that? When local authorities give planning permision for new houses in places like the lake district, cornwall and other areas of high demand they often specify a percentage of the properties built are reserved for local people who otherwise could never afford to live in the area. So is that racist? 

Many football clubs have a group of fans who travel to away matches soley to get into fights with rival club supporters. I know this because i read it on the internet once internet once and a guy in a pub told me it was true!  So maybe football clubs should stop attracting violent thugs as supporters? i accept not everyone who goes to watch football is a violent thug looking for a punch up but hey, if the cap fits!

As regards the salledged slur on the Romanians? Well i don't usually agree with generalisations about any group, but not sure though if romanian is a race? Is french a race? I like to raise a glass to lord nelson on the 21st October so does that make me a racist? Every november i go to the cenotaph  and remember british soldiers killed in wars all over the globe, does that make me a racist because i think the germans were evil  and had to be stopped in 1940?

[one direction]

This topic is like two lines of dreadnoughts hurling broadside after broadside at each other while the shells bounce harmlessly off each others armour amid much smoke and noise.
Meanwhile Admiral Wright views events from a safe distance and sleeps a bit sounder.

Very true. However its good fun. Personally i'm probably going to write "none of the above" on my ballot paper as no party has convinced me they are worth voting for. I detest them all equally but i also detest people who throw around allegations of racism, sexism, homophobia, islamophobia or indeed any form of politically correct claptrap. Fanatical ukiper, fanatical ukip hater?  Two sides of the same coin to me!

[Party Pooper]

Response to One Direction
I hope it hasn't escaped your notice but you are posting on what people view as the internet and are inviting us not to believe what we read on the internet.
Can you explain your leaders response the the Scottish people who protested against him on the basis as he claims is because he is English! And he says that makes them racist scum, but by your definition English cannot be a race either.  So how can the UKIP leader ride theses two horses at the same time? Is it nationalism or racism ? Answer seem to be that Nigel Farage is like Humpty Dumpty i.e. Is it whatever he says it is.
Must admit you have me stumped on the football analogy ! I haven't a clue what point you're trying to make.