Alternatives to UKIP?

[clav 73]

Still confused by the fact Mk1 admits we pay in more than we get back but we are getting subsidised by France

[mk1]

The handout we get from (mainly )France as part of our 'rebate'.

And the evidence?

Well there is a fairly straightforward way to settle this but you have to get off your ar*se and do some research yourself. I say France contributes the lions share of the UK rebate/handout.

If you think this is incorrect then show how the UK rebate is made up and prove that France is not  the main contributer to our handout. I can't be any clearer.
If my facts are wrong them you have the chance to show my error.

[mk1]

Like the 'handout' Mrs Farage gets by pretending she works for another (not Nigel)  UKIP MEP.

What exactly has this got to do with the "handouts" the UK gets?

It shows that all the claims thet UKIP are a new broom and are going to introduce a brave new world of honest politicians is bol*locks.
Your leader (public school educated like all the other leaders) is just another pig with his snout in the trough.
Nigel, like all the others, puts his own family on the payroll.
Why did  he have to give a job to an immigrant? Why not employ someone  from the UK?

[Mican]

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It shows that all the claims thet UKIP are a new broom and are going to introduce a brave new world of honest politicians is bol*locks.
Your leader (public school educated like all the other leaders)
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How pathetic is that, I am not a UKIP member or supporter, just someone who is p****d off with getting called names like little Englander, racist and xenophbic, just because I make a comment on a thread and the way threads are hijacked and taken in different directions.  Especially with comments like "Do you have any comment on the infant mortality rate in the USA as compared to Socialist Cuba?" on a thread about the alternatives to UKIP.

[mrb]

Anyone know if the Greens are fielding a candidate? If they get a passionate charismatic candidate, they could do ok.

[Land Phil]

Apparently three was a time when you googled barely legal you got 18 year old porn stars, now you get UKIP.

Personally I believe they are winning people over in the same way as the Conservatives did last election.

Look at me Mr Normal having a cup of tea in my kitchen promising to sort out the mess we are currently in whilst hiding the right wing jack boots ready to stamp over human rights in the basement.

[mk1]

Especially with comments like "Do you have any comment on the infant mortality rate in the USA as compared to Socialist Cuba?" on a thread about the alternatives to UKIP.

Well lets look at that bit shall we.

The 'trigger' was these 2 posts

Mk1 I have meerly brought the statment up for oxygen,  and as a possibility  even the locals call it the Kremlin, I personally like nothing better than jigsaw puzzles  at first you cant tell what it is but as you build it up  you see it some jigsaws you don't want to finish as it wont be at all what I thought it would be, from the observations of another to the forum how many of his own people did Stallin kill was it 20 millions or just 8 millions.  What no comments on the socialist management of the Welsh NHS. Or the french economy run by another socialist.

Mark1 I was not ranting on about socialism - communism as you imply I'm meerly stating a fact and I never mentioned Stallin you did which is quite a surprise really as many socialists don't like to be reminded or should I say inform those who always vote Labour that Labours real allegiance is to communist ideals and leaders, what amuses me is how they can't see it, I mean in Hartlepool for instance the civic centre is in communist red brick, Ed Milliband openly acknowledges he is a Marksist, and at the end of every Labour conference they sing the red flag which is a communist anthem, even that wasn't a rant just facts, and to continue on the debate what have the socialists done to the Welsh NHS its a disaster, one of Ed Millibands heroes is the socialist  french prime minister france is a basket case of an economy, and it could be coming to a country near you.

Strange how you ignore  all that. Can I ask if you share the posters claim red bricks = communist?

[Mican]

No matter what type of spin you put on it, it is still pathetic to assume that someone who makes a comment on a thread about UKIP is a member or supporter another racist fruitcake and is subject to the almost child like, predictably boring name calling, little Englander etc. etc. as for the other things you have highlighted, these are in response to what you have said.  Simples.

[mk1]

as for the other things you have highlighted, these are in response to what you have said.  Simples.

Incorrect. They are in no way related to anything I said. I don't know if I should be insulted that anything I said could lead to a line of resoning that runs 'red bricks = communist= French socialist=Stalin'.

By the way call me what you like (many have) and I wont get in a tizzy or run to teacher. I am made of sterner stuff!

[Mican]

Glad to hear it, why not start your own thread, EU v UKIP, then you can extol the EU to your hearts content and call all those who vote or support UKIP anything you want and see how long the thread lasts.

[beanzontoast]

I havent read all the threads to this Alternatives to UKIP,  but lets see if we can't get some perspective here, it matters not weather Farage employs his wife or not its what is allowed , ok Farage was educated at a public school, he makes no secret of the fact, ed Milliband says cameron is a public school educated guy with lots of money,  but he never mentions he has had the same education and privileged background, same with Clegg, its politics and they are worried very worried about UKIP,  look at manifestos not the man in charge as they all have there snouts in the trough  and they all tell lies however Labour and the Torys have been telling lies for 100 years.

[grim reaper]

Mican; Why bother?
You, like many others on here, are simply another 'little Englander'. 

Rejoice. Accept the nomenclature with open arms, because that's what we are, proud of England and proud of our heritage. 

Maybe the buffoons ought to go and live with the Walloons, or their friends in the Fatherland, as they seem so proud of what THEY have achieved.

It is 19 years since the accounts of the EU have been accepted as a true record of expenditure.
They sacked the lady that was becoming close to exposing the profligacy, waste and corruption.

Would YOU send money to a company that had such a bad track record in its finances, just because they SAY you owe a certain amount of money?

People on here need rail against Wilcox, Cranney et al. The EU is a million times worse and yet to some people on here, that doesn't matter or bear scrutiny. You couldn't make it up. 

Be proud Mican, wear 'little Englanders' with pride.       I do. 

Once again, I don't respond to the dipsticks on here.

[mk1]

It is 19 years since the accounts of the EU have been accepted as a true record of expenditure.
They sacked the lady that was becoming close to exposing the profligacy, waste and corruption.

That 'lady' was Marta Andreasen who became a UKIP MEP.

She is the UKIP MEP who  then said Farage was 'a Stalinist who was anti-women'
and was in turn slated by Farage who said she 'didn't know what she was talking about'
The murky world of UKIP in-fighting is indeed a wonder to behold.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/exmep-marta-andreasen-claims-ukip-peddles-lies-as--highprofile-tory-mp-priti-patels-father-announces-he-is-standing-for-election-8598205.html



it was Mr Farage's jealousy of potential competitors inside the "one-man band" party that had prevented candidates from having their records checked.

She said Mr Farage changed the party's constitution last year "giving him full power on everything, including the establishment of strategy, policies and selection processes for candidates for elections".

She added: "He has come out saying 'we cannot vet everybody' – well he cannot vet everybody because he wants the control himself. He should have been able to establish an administration with the means to vet, even if it's 1,700 candidates. He's the one who put candidates all over the place in as many seats as possible... He's  very attractive to the media because he's a showman but he doesn't have the patience or the interest in dealing with data."

So if she was right about the EU accounts then I presume she is right about Farage?

I am glad you mentioned 'dipsticks' because anyone who brought Marta up without knowing  what she says about UKIP or that she defected to the Conservatives is indeed a prize dipstick!

[Mican]

Marta Andreasen what a woman.

She entered the European Parliament for Ukip in 1999 and was re-elected twice, becoming party treasurer in 2007.  That makes 15 years as a member of UKIP and then she decides to join the tories, was she promised something or was it because she couldn't become leader of UKIP?

And now high-profile Tory MP Priti Patel's father announces he is standing for election as a  councillor for that racist party UKIP.  What a strange world we live in.  Do you think he has become radicalised and become a little Englander, a racist or even xenophobic?

[mk1]

was she promised something or was it because she couldn't become leader of UKIP?

She says it was because Farage considers the party as his private property to with as he sees fit. He makes all decisions himself and has no time for anyone daring to disagree with him. I suppose that accounts for the large number of leading officials he has fallen out with.