Alternatives to UKIP?

[steveL]

  Steve L there is something wrong with your argument. A lot has changed since 2010 and I expect the U.K.I.P. manifesto  for 2015 will be a lot different . Every political  parties manifesto will be written to fight the 2015 GE. not the 2010 G.E. Why not wait until the U.K.I.P.. manifesto is published before making a judgement.Regarding the Panorama programme the B.B.C. ,which incidentally receives subsidies from the E.U., is not going to do Nigel Farage or U.K.I.P. any favours.

The fundamental beliefs of a political party do not change overnight or even in the space of 5 years. What changes is the level of appreciation of what they can say and what they should not say publically in order to stand any chance of getting any of their candidates elected.

[DRiddle]

I wonder where people would place Mike Reids recent 'contribution' to UKIPS cause historically. Let's say we didn't know it had happened this month.

Would people have assumed that 'anthem' was a 2010 effort? Maybe 2005? Earlier?

Maybe sometime around 1939-45 perhaps?

Strange times.

[Stranger in a Strange ...]

I do not want to split the voting which otherwise might lead to the eviction of Mr Wright.  However, I will not vote for UKIP.   I will not be the only one that feels like this.  Perhaps I am hoping for a charismatic super person to stand up for us all.  And yes ... I know I am naive.  Also - I have no charisma otherwise I would try myself. 

[grim reaper]

'Stranger'; I accept and totally understand your concerns regarding voting for a UKIP person. Believe me, as someone brought up in a Labour household and voted Labour in the past, I can share your misgivings.
I believe one has to take a step back and look at what we have and what we have been promised in this town of ours.
Both Labour and the Tories have reneged on important concerns to the 'ordinary' members of the public. (In the town and Nationally).
BOTH parties have idiots, liars, and thieves.
Along comes a 'new' party and the old guard are threatened so they join forces and try to spin ANYTHING to blacken the name of the potential usurpers.
But EACH of those regular parties have people in their ranks that think along the same lines as those in UKIP.
Some are now 'coming out' and moving (or thinking of moving) to the new party.
Yes, some of the original propaganda was anathema to right minded people. Some was considered racist etc. Those are the 'growing pains' of a new organisation. Some of it a 'knee jerk' reaction to what we have in our country today and a fear of where we are heading.
Look at where we are in Britain today; I tried for a doctors appt. today and was told 3 weeks for an appt.
Three weeks in a small town like Hartlepool. You can only imagine what it must be like in a larger town or city.
The Labour party have admitted that to open the doors the way they did was so wrong in an island as small as Britain.
Our whole infrastructure has been swamped and our welfare services are not coping.
So Labour got it wrong on immigration and (as they have admitted) the economy too.
What about the Tories? They appear to spend a lot of energy ensuring those with money, keep it.
Rich landowners applying for wind turbines that only run a third of the month and yet pay the landowners handsomely.....via our utility bills!!
They 'fine' banks that have broken the law and those fines are paid by us, the people that have accounts in the bank!
Very few lawbreakers have gone to jail, as would have occurred in 'real life'
if WE had embezzled and swindled as they have done.   
We know the Tories and Labour can't be trusted, so what do we do?
In the bigger picture I'm not sure. The whole country is in a state of flux.
What I am sure about is the requirement to remove Iain Wright from Hartlepool!
If that means voting UKIP, so be it. As a number of people on here have intimated,they will hold their noses and vote UKIP.
Don't think national, think local. We have been ripped off by Labour for God knows how long....Lynda Gooding is a perfect example of the deceit and depth Labour have sunk in our town.
She is a broken woman, someone that has probably voted Labour all of her life and this is how they repay her. They are scum.
The Tories are not worth what I scrape off my shoe.

Where does that leave us? Like a lot of people my thoughts go to UKIP.
I am willing to give P. Broughton a chance to fight for us in Parliament because let's face it, Iain Wright certainly hasn't!
Why hasn't HE fought to give Lynda and her co workers the legal minimum wage they are owed? The minimum wage Labour keep banging on about.

'Strange'- we have to have change in Hartlepool and the only viable option (at this moment in time) IS UKIP.
Please don't vote to keep giving us more of the same.
How many more residents are working under a Labour yoke being paid LESS than the legal wage, or being paid 'cash in hand', no questions asked?
You call UKIP names? Go back through the back catalogue of this site and just see what the 'leading' parties in this town have given us.
Watch the scandalous video of the modus operandi of a local Labour party.
Please don't vote for more of the same.

[one direction]

The best quote ive heard about voting ukip came from a Clacton voter just before the by-election that gave ukip their first mp. "I'm voting UKIP" said the guy "because the Tory bloke we've got now is totally useless. Anyone would be better than him" That sums up the pribkem now facing UKIP, as they dreach the point where seats are winnable the professional politicians move in and changing from Tory or Labour to UKIP changes the colour of the rosette but very little else. If UKIP really was a "peoples army" then their candidates would be local people with long established roots in their constituencies. Ultinately the thing that might make me vite for Wright is that he is a local guy, not sime opportunist carpet bagger from Stockton and an ex-tory to boot.

[Ryehill]

In answer to a couple of points raised. The U.K.I.P. manifesto of 2015 will reiterate the parties core principle of withdrawal from the E.U. An amicable divorce is how Nigel Farage describes it. . The 2015 manifesto will have U.K.I.P.'s proposals for all major policy areas such as health, the economy,education etc. As I said earlier judge U.K.I.P. on the 2015 manifesto .
    In answer to MK1 the B.B.C. have reluctantly admitted to receiving £3 million in subsidies from the E.U..
This surely must put a question mark on the B.B.C.'s impartiality. 
    One Direction, Iain Wright is the only Hartlepool born person to be elected as our M.P. Mandelson,Leadbitter,Kerans, Jones were all from various parts of the country. To describe Phillip Broughton as a carpet bagger from Stockton is a little O.T.T.

[mk1]

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    In answer to MK1 the B.B.C. have reluctantly admitted to receiving £3 million in subsidies from the E.U..
This surely must put a question mark on the B.B.C.'s impartiality. 
   

The Farage Family have recieved 1 million from the EU.
UKIP have recieved 7 million. Surely that  'must put a question mark on UKIP's impartiality. 

[beanzontoast]

At least we are starting to have a debate, I agree there have not been any socialists for a long time as far as those running the Party are concerned,  this is so obvious I did not metion it, I was refering to the core values of the Labour party which is trading on its age old tradition of being socialist, and the vast majority still vote for them in a general election based on those principles, again I have no problem with it however it has been said of socialism that it's only problem is that it eventually runs out of other peoples money.  It also won't take responsibility for its actiona, if I may give an example and I put this on the forum as fact and discussion not from a dislike of Labour,  for the last 3 days in a certain national newspaper the NHS in Wales has been run by Labour it's so bad its a disgrace for the last15 years they have run it got noone to blame,  a national newspaper who are supportive of Labour no mention , as there was no mention at the Labour party conference by Red Ed on mass immigration,  nor the economy, they do it in the council chamber as another forum member explains many labour councillors may have wanted to vote with the PHF UKIP Etc but didn't . That I suggest is why I will be voting UKIP.

[one direction]

UKIP were sucessful in getting their first MEP I n the north east this year. The candidate was a UKIP party apperatnik who lives in Sheffield and supports Scunthorpe.  If thats nor carpet bagging I dont know what is. When other party members cross the floor to UKIP then the existing candidates are shoved aside . If tnats not just swaping one professional politician for the same professional poltician then I dint know what is. UKIP is becoming just another false flap for professional politicians to wrap themseleves in.

[Ryehill]

  I thought this discussion was about Hartlepool and the G.E. 2015. Getting back to Carpet Baggers now Mandelson certainly deserves that description but Phillip Broughton. Hardly.

[grim reaper]

'Vote for Wright cos he's a local guy'.

Despite all that has gone on in this town on his watch, people will still vote for an ineffectual, nodding donkey nobody. 

Look at his remarks in his Mail column regarding low pay and how the FEMALES in Hartlepool deserve better pay than they have!!!!
Go on, tell me...he's having a laugh. He has got to be.

Where was he with regard to Lynda Gooding and the others paid LESS than the LEGAL minimum wage by a Labour councillor and backed by other LABOUR COUNCILLORS! 
And yet he is considered a suitable person to represent the people of Hartlepool.
And that, folks, is how and why we are at the bottom of the heap and always will be.
I despair, I really do. 

[one direction]

To bring this back to Hartlepool and the GE. UKIP have chosen a former conservative councillor from Stockton. Fair enough, but why did the party need to go out of town for a candidate? What does it say about the calibre of UKIP members who do actually live in the town?  Why isn't Mr Broughton standing in Stockton?  Why does Hartlepool UKIP need a Stockton reject (well I assume reject as he is a former councillor! ). UKIP have two councillors were neither of them up to the job? Didnt Cllr Springer stand in 2009?

[marky]

"couple of 'rotten apples' but you will then meticulously forget that once the wrongdoings of these individuals were discovered and proved they were unceremoniously sacked and kicked out of the party."

The clock must already be ticking for you then KD 

[mk1]

He read out on air a letter (meant to be a deep secret) from the EEC to the BBC chairman which confirmed that the BBC would NEVER expose any adverse news stories about the EEC (and its successive identities).
In return for this gagging agreement the BBC would receive an annual payment.

As conspiract theories go not quiet as  bad as Icke but I say total bollocks. Produce the text of this letter. I say it is fiction.

Let me anticipate your response.  You will no doubt remind every one that we have had a couple of 'rotten apples' but you will then meticulously forget that once the wrongdoings of these individuals were discovered and proved they were unceremoniously sacked and kicked out of the party.

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Tell me again what % of UKIP MEPs have been convicted of crimes. Is it 10%? 20%?

I am glad UKIP is a party that refuses donations from big business. Is not run by an ex Public School boy who was a City Trader and does not lets its MEPs employ their wives at the public expense.

[Hartlepudlion]

As MR Wright is the only Hartlepool MP to have been born in Hartlepool I don't see that as any sort of endorsement. Besides whats the alternative, one of the SCA-Bs!
No let's have a MP worth his money regardless of where he comes from..