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Politics => Local Issues and Matters => Topic started by: Inspector Knacker on April 23, 2018, 09: PM

Title: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 23, 2018, 09: PM
I read the Mail tonight and was drawn to the candidates page for the Fens and Rossmere. The PHF and Green candidate came across ok, however the Silohuette Tory started by banging the message out that the choice was between Labour or Tory candidates followed by an extended chunter that ended with the classic sentence, 'Can you trust independents?'
Another classic was, 'If you want the councillors representing your ward to have any influencing in maintaining and improving your area, then only the two traditional parties can help.' Followed by the incredible 'Only Conservatives can hold the Council to account.' Seriously?
We have a Tory candidate promoting the Labour Party as the other 'traditional' option and all this from a real minority party.
Then there's the Labour candidate telling us how he and his fellow Labour Councillor have 'secured' £549,810 in funding to redevelop Rossmere Park.
So, who provided the funding?
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: Gustaf I of England + BWH on April 23, 2018, 10: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 23, 2018, 09: PM
Then there's the Labour candidate telling us how he and his fellow Labour Councillor have 'secured' £549,810 in funding to redevelop Rossmere Park.
So, who provided the funding?

They were touting that load of miss-information around before final approval had been given. Strange how two (so called) Labour councillors knew how the vote was going to go before it happened. Stranger still how anything of any perceived benefit to the town is deemed to have happened as a direct result of the intervention of some (so called) Labour councillor or other. Or at least it would be strange if this were not Hrtlpool.
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 24, 2018, 05: AM
Farcical how when money for such projects arrives we get the the tale of how they secured it. Sounds as though they had to fight for it or sometimes you get the impression it's their money.. We know it comes from government funding but they always seem leave that snippet out of the much trumpeted announcement. The Government only gets a mention when the 'cuts' mantra is trotted out.
Still baffles me how vanity projects get a grant but potholes and other vital but unnoticeable everyday necessities get ignored. They're like a car owner who'd py for an eye catching paint job on their car while the floors have rotted away and the engine sounds like a bag of hammers. All front to catch the voters eyes, no substance.
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 25, 2018, 03: PM
Someone just showed me the latest snapshot for the local elections in the Mail. Can I ask if the Tories are working from a script? These  silhouette Tories have a remarkably similar thought process it would appear.
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: mk1 on April 25, 2018, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on April 25, 2018, 03: PM
Someone just showed me the latest snapshot for the local elections in the Mail. Can I ask if the Tories are working from a script? These  silhouette Tories have a remarkably similar thought process it would appear.

I didn't check the latest batch of paper Tory candidates but in previous years they all had the same  wording on their Mail Profiles.
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 26, 2018, 12: PM
Could the Tories explain how candidates who have to be shown in  silohuette and have similarly worded election manifesto begs the question are they fit to be elected?
I would not vote for someone who enters an election unwilling to show their face and would appear cannot write a small manifesto of their own.
The strange wish to be shown in silhouette has me asking myself are they viable candidates or what?
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on April 26, 2018, 12: PM
The Tories have their own little fiefdom in Rural West. In my opinion, that suffices to fulfil their ambitions ... a coalition (and the associated benefits) suits them quite nicely, thank you. This isn't the first time that they've barely bothered to make an effort to be elected. I do wonder whether the national Tory party (who, presumably, expect some representation in local elections) are aware that they're largely fielding paper candidates. Keeping it in the family, too ...
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: fred c on April 26, 2018, 01: PM
Why bother to have the complication of having another 3 or 4 Tory councillors, when everything they want they get by voting with labour...... lets face it, they have been going through the motions for years with no real ambition for Wells being able to form a ruling Tory Council.
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 26, 2018, 03: PM
The Tories ave up the ghost years ago and have no stomach to challenge Labour. They're happy in their political peninsula complete with mental drawbridge and moat. They've been lead to near obscurity, apparently happy to slip quietly away.
More a political home for distressed gentle folk than political party.
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: mk1 on April 26, 2018, 03: PM
Last week (over 7 days ago) Carl was out (canvasing?) in Thornton Street. He was sat in a car parked right next to the carcass of a fridge-freezer upright combo that had been dumped in the pedestrian area. He was asked by a resident to  see if he could get it removed. He  promised to 'get it sorted tomorrow'. More than 7 tomorrows have come and gone and it is still there only now in several large pieces spread around the area.

He has no opposition, his seat and allowances are safe. Why should he waste his valuable  drinking and eating time sorting anything as  unimportant as a constituent's concern?
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: fred c on April 26, 2018, 03: PM
Quote from: mk1 on April 26, 2018, 03: PM
Last week (over 7 days ago) Carl was out (canvasing?) in Thornton Street. He was sat in a car parked right next to the carcass of a fridge-freezer upright combo that had been dumped in the pedestrian area. He was asked by a resident to  see if he could get it removed. He  promised to 'get it sorted tomorrow'. More than 7 tomorrows have come and gone and it is still there only now in several large pieces spread around the area.

He has no opposition, his seat and allowances are safe. Why should he waste his valuable  drinking and eating time sorting anything as  unimportant as a constituent's concern?


One things for certain he will be cheaper to keep for a week than a fortnight.
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: mk1 on April 27, 2018, 06: PM



2012 v 2018 just the same broken record..............


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Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 28, 2018, 08: AM
Well, they had their vote and got back in then. What did they change?
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: Hartlepudlion on April 28, 2018, 05: PM
NOWT
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: Inspector Knacker on April 28, 2018, 06: PM
I think I can see the problem after reading the candidates address for the Manor House ward and the comments by Marjorie.
She starts off by bigging up the 'strong Labour team'.. The bragfest follows. Then the inevitable denouncing of the Tories ( odd considering the local Tories are being so very deferential and acting like the Uriah Heep of politics to their Labour colleagues) then she lists what she has supported.
Trouble is it's all about little things, Spring Clean initiatives, turning verges into parking spaces, award budgets, Holiday a Hunger, school uniforms, but nothing at all about the bigger picture, jobs for starters, but none of the big things that really matter, just parish pump politics.
Or are those things left for the politburo to decide on?
If I'm voting for my Councillor I want yo know where my town is going, not wild flowers, burgers and when the next  skip will be arriving.
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: isolde on April 30, 2018, 09: AM
a member of the posts facebook page shared a  post by Ben Marshall only to be bombarded by inboxes from a so called friend and also apparently a councilor  candidate Janiator Cutts. He inboxed two members demanding he was approved to join as he had not been approved because admin was away yesterday. He said he wanted to stick up for Ben.  This is the behavior of a person our people are voting for.  He was finally approved to allow him to say his peace at dinner time last night and has still not commented.  :-\
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: mk1 on April 30, 2018, 10: AM
Quote from: isolde on April 30, 2018, 09: AM
a member of the posts facebook page shared a  post by Ben Marshall only to be bombarded by inboxes from a so called friend and also apparently a councilor  candidate Janiator Cutts.


https://www.facebook.com/janiator.cutts.3
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: Gustaf I of England + BWH on April 30, 2018, 12: PM
Quote from: mk1 on April 30, 2018, 10: AM
Quote from: isolde on April 30, 2018, 09: AM
a member of the posts facebook page shared a  post by Ben Marshall only to be bombarded by inboxes from a so called friend and also apparently a councilor  candidate Janiator Cutts.


https://www.facebook.com/janiator.cutts.3

"This page isn't available

The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed"

Or it may be because I don't have an FB account.
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: mk1 on April 30, 2018, 12: PM
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Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: Stig of the Seaton Dump on April 30, 2018, 02: PM
Quote from: mk1 on April 30, 2018, 12: PM
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Coincidence, those two faces look like a pair that I saw registering in the doctors some months ago.
New to the area, full of drama they were.

Assuming they are the same ones. 

Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: mk1 on April 30, 2018, 02: PM
Ray has his partner, his daughter and her husband all standing as paper candidates. His daughter is using her middle name to try and hide who she is
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: fred c on April 30, 2018, 03: PM
What a way to run a political party....... no wonder Labour have been able to run amok, the Main Opposition Party are a complete laughing stock, I fully expected Uncle Tom Cobbley to be standing in one of the wards.
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: Norfolkinchance on April 30, 2018, 03: PM
He looks very similar to the Conservative candidate running for the Victoria Ward! It's a bit like choosing from Saddam, or Gadaffi !!!

Victoria
Justin Cutts                    Conservative
Carl Richardson               Labour
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: Hubris on April 30, 2018, 06: PM
Is it just me, or does the job spec for any political office these days have 'Must be:- in a same sex relationship: fully paid up member of the LGBTH community: self-identified gender'. Etc etc. as a qualification?
Is it just a desired attribute, or actually compulsory these days?
I don't really care which side of the paddock people decide to graze on, but surely a pre-requisite for such positions should cover more stuff like - 1. Experience (like having had a real job out in the real world, not imaginary ones in health care, or in mysterious property developing).  2. Empathy (with the people you represent) 3. Energy (to get the job done) 4. Engagement (not always rely on foul mouth ripostes to any perceived slights) 5. Endurance (seeing things through to a sussessful end) 6. Enthusiasm: 7. Enterprising: 8. Erudite (can just about string a coherent sentence together)

Score each of May's candidates on a scale out of 10 against the above qualities.......then vote accordingly.
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: fred c on April 30, 2018, 06: PM
Quote from: Norfolkinchance on April 30, 2018, 03: PM
He looks very similar to the Conservative candidate running for the Victoria Ward! It's a bit like choosing from Saddam, or Gadaffi !!!

Victoria
Justin Cutts                    Conservative
Carl Richardson               Labour


Is this the same J Cutts that made a nuisance and a horses a**e of himself on The Posts FB Page..... He didn't make any constructive comments for a would be councillor.... he just disappeared up his own orifice  :P
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: WhatTheHeck on April 30, 2018, 07: PM
Quote from: Norfolkinchance on April 30, 2018, 03: PM
He looks very similar to the Conservative candidate running for the Victoria Ward! It's a bit like choosing from Saddam, or Gadaffi !!!

Victoria
Justin Cutts                    Conservative
Carl Richardson               Labour
I presume you are referring to the similarities of Janiator and Justin Cutts.

Justin and Janiator appear to the same person, one of Janiators previous profile pictures is the same as the current profile picture being used by Justin Cutts, also 'both' are from Margate, but it could of course be just a coincedence. 

https://www.facebook.com/jussywussy007

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=125793498165628&set=a.106168706794774.1073741827.100022049348169&type=3&theater
Title: Re: Snapshot of the candidates.
Post by: mk1 on May 01, 2018, 06: PM
They are at it all over the UK .......

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/david-burrowes-local-campaign_uk_5ae87716e4b055fd7fcfca8b?fc5&utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage