Hartlepool's very own peter mandelson [ petie ] is getting a mention on dispatches tv program The prince and paedo tomorrow night . The labour party seems to be a breeding ground for scrounging misfits ...
Quote from: mr ben on October 20, 2019, 10: AM
Hartlepool's very own peter mandelson [ petie ] is getting a mention on dispatches tv program The prince and paedo tomorrow night . The labour party seems to be a breeding ground for scrounging misfits ...
Not just Labour..............
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-42583263
An ex-Tory and UKIP MP has been given a suspended six-month prison term after being convicted of election fraud.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33508850
A former MEP who fraudulently claimed almost £500,000 in European Parliament expenses has been jailed..............Mote, who was elected on a UKIP ticket but sat as an independent MEP for South East England, was sentenced to five years at London's Southwark Crown Court.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6804432/who-stephen-searle-former-ukip-councillor-guilty-murdering-wife-suffolk/
Anne Searle death: Ex-UKIP councillor jailed for life for murderhttps://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/health-and-care/news/65365/former-ukip-chair-jailed-grooming-children
A former Ukip regional party chairman has been imprisoned for five years after he was found guilty of grooming children and possessing thousands of indecent images of children.
By coincidence there is a revealing article in the current Private Eye that shows the close links between convicted fraudsters and politicians..........
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I'm no fan of Farage but if you look closely you can see the picture is a fake. Look at the point where their shoulders meet.
Quote from: Blondell on October 21, 2019, 04: AM
I'm no fan of Farage but if you look closely you can see the picture is a fake. Look at the point where their shoulders meet.
No it is real
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/fOxMZ0.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnfOxMZ0j)
https://www.instagram.com/p/B2ezIQwpHo-/
Frage has form for this sort of thing. He has been photographed with a very well known US Fraudster..........
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/npLMWr.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/ponpLMWrj)
Quote from: mk1 on October 20, 2019, 02: PM
Quote from: mr ben on October 20, 2019, 10: AM
Hartlepool's very own peter mandelson [ petie ] is getting a mention on dispatches tv program The prince and paedo tomorrow night . The labour party seems to be a breeding ground for scrounging misfits ...
Not just Labour..............
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-42583263
An ex-Tory and UKIP MP has been given a suspended six-month prison term after being convicted of election fraud.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33508850
A former MEP who fraudulently claimed almost £500,000 in European Parliament expenses has been jailed..............Mote, who was elected on a UKIP ticket but sat as an independent MEP for South East England, was sentenced to five years at London's Southwark Crown Court.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6804432/who-stephen-searle-former-ukip-councillor-guilty-murdering-wife-suffolk/
Anne Searle death: Ex-UKIP councillor jailed for life for murder
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/health-and-care/news/65365/former-ukip-chair-jailed-grooming-children
A former Ukip regional party chairman has been imprisoned for five years after he was found guilty of grooming children and possessing thousands of indecent images of children.
You really are the king of ' whataboutery'.
I'm convinced that if Hitler was discovered in a nursing home in some remote part of the Black Forest, or Darlington, Mk1 could come up with worse crimes committed by a Tory, UKIP or even Brexit Party member. ;D
Quote from: Blondell on October 21, 2019, 04: AM
I'm no fan of Farage but if you look closely you can see the picture is a fake. Look at the point where their shoulders meet.
You can tell it's a fake, Farage's detractors believe he would be stroking a white pussy cat 🐈 n every photo.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 21, 2019, 02: PM
You can tell it's a fake, Farage's detractors believe he would be stroking a white pussy cat n every photo.
Given his record he is far more likely he will give the feline a well-paid position working for him
Nigel Farage, the leader of Ukip, has been accused of employing his wife and "mistress" out of his European Parliament allowanceshttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10692247/Nigel-Farage-employs-both-his-wife-and-mistress-at-public-expense.html
He actually left his wife and moved in with his latest 'employee'
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2803877/laure-ferrari-french-politician-nigel-farage-valerie-fox/
Earlier this year he insisted he was fighting for his marriage to wife Kirsten and labelled as "crackers" claims he was having an affair with Laure Ferrari, who is 16 years his junior.
And Ferrari fought a bitter rivalry with Annabelle Fuller - another woman named as his mistress — and branded English women drunken tarts.The lates mistress is also a bit of a chancer
Laure Ferrari, 37, has moved in with Brexit campaigner Nigel Farrage in West London.
She is a French politician who runs the think-tank Institute for Direct Democracy in Europe (IDDE).
The pair are said to have become good friends after meeting in 2007 when Ferrari was a waitress.
Later she worked with Farrage in the European Parliament.
The think-tank is accused of breaking rules by diverting public money to UKIP when Mr Farage was its leader.
The party is now under investigation by the Electoral Commission watchdog for allegedly taking a total of £400,000 in dodgy donations from the think-tank and an affiliated political alliance, ahead of the General Election and the EU referendum.It seems Trump, Boris and Farage share a common weakness...............
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 21, 2019, 02: PM
I'm convinced that if Hitler was discovered in a nursing home in some remote part of the Black Forest, or Darlington, Mk1 could come up with worse crimes committed by a Tory, UKIP or even Brexit Party member.
Au contraire mon ami. Mk is wondering why the Labour politicians are hounded, harried and insulted on a regular basis without anyone complaining but outrage only flows whenever a right-wing looney gets the same treatment.
I think you're redressing the balance single handedly to a degree that could be classed as over the top.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 21, 2019, 04: PM
I think you're redressing the balance single handedly to a degree that could be classed as over the top.
Only if you think linking a Labour figure to a Paedo is not 'over the top'. Not seeing that double-standard would make you part of the problem.
For a lower-level example note the
complete silence over the recent proposed Recycling Fees and then look up what was said about the Labour group when they started charging.
Quote from: mk1 on October 21, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 21, 2019, 04: PM
I think you're redressing the balance single handedly to a degree that could be classed as over the top.
Only if you think linking a Labour figure to a Paedo is not 'over the top'. Not seeing that double-standard would make you part of the problem.
I never commented on those accusations and never would, but you should have realised that if you'd read the posts.
I do fail to see how I could be a part of any problem (in advance ) merely because I may at some future date fail to see a point you're making.
@ MK1 - Or is the 'complete silence' you mention more to do with a broadside being unleashed at dissenters? I'm beginning to think that people aren't writing much on here because they fear that they'll just be shot down in flames.
The 'complete silence' was because this board is getting like Tumbleweed Junction.
A lot of people are going to be very disappointed:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-50130414
Mike Hill, who has been the MP for Hartlepool since 2017, was suspended from the party last month.
But having been informed the allegation was withdrawn, Labour has now reinstated Mr Hill.
The 56-year-old MP said the past few weeks had been a "very difficult time" for his family, friends and constituency staff.
Mr Hill, who "completely rejected" the allegations, said: "I was informed early last week that I have been reinstated to the Labour Party and to the Labour whip.
"I am pleased that I have been reinstated after what has been a very difficult time for my family, my staff and myself.
"The Labour Party acted as they should do in these instances in order to ensure that all protocols are followed properly and to protect the safety of all those involved and I would like to thank the party for their help and support throughout the process."
A Labour Party spokesman said: "The Labour Party takes all complaints of sexual harassment extremely seriously, which are fully investigated and any appropriate disciplinary action taken in line with the party's rules and procedures.
"We are determined to challenge and overturn sexual harassment and misogyny within politics and across society as a whole."
Irrelevant, I judge him on is his uninspiring, bland, anonymous performance as an MP. If you approve of his performance feel free.
Why would people be disappointed by the result of the inquiry? He disappoints on many levels but didn't really ever think of him as a 'masher' (to use an old fashioned expression).
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 21, 2019, 04: PM
@ MK1 - Or is the 'complete silence' you mention more to do with a broadside being unleashed at dissenters?
Depends how you describe 'dissenters' I thought it was a forum where you keep all local politicians to their word and not a fan club/support group for the Politicians you prefer.
The Forum was very disrespectful of Labour when it was in power and I am not complaining about that. The present ruling group are simply not given the same level of scrutiny.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 21, 2019, 04: PM
I'm beginning to think that people aren't writing much on here because they fear that they'll just be shot down in flames.
I note the posts on the FB page complaining about the tone being set there and an interesting reply :
..Blaming the far right whilst totally ignoring the hard left is symptomatic of those who are incapable of adopting a fair and balanced view of the situation..
to which I respond:
..Blaming the far left whilst totally ignoring the hard right is symptomatic of those who are incapable of adopting a fair and balanced view of the situation..
I can show you lots of examples where I attack 'the left' as well as 'the right' but strangely no one complains when I attack 'the left'.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 21, 2019, 04: PM
I'm beginning to think that people aren't writing much on here because they fear that they'll just be shot down in flames.
Shot down like this perhaps?
Brexit is not a cult, it was a free vote by the largest ever democratic exercise in this country's history. If the duplicitous politicians of all political colours had carried out their promise to the people we would not be in the situation we are. The grievances that have built up are down entirely to the establishment, the biased media, and people like you. The constant garbage you spout about the NHS, worker's rights, Johnson's past, Universal Credit, is symptomatic of the attempts to discredit the vote to leave by any means. Over the last 40 odd months we have had the worst Tory PM in history, luckily we have also had an inept cretin in charge of the opposition, but still in that time the economy has improved to such an extent that the austerity is coming to an end. If you don't like what you say is going to happen to the UK, while freedom of movement is still in force, why not move to your utopian dream across the North Sea / Irish Sea?
The forum and the Facebook page are completely different media. The (extremely small) number of people currently posting on the forum are the 'old guard' - often pretty 'au fait' when it comes to local politics. The 2,500+ members on the Facebook page are a much more volatile crew - and many are political newbies. Keeping an acceptable tone on there can, at times, be like herding cats. But admins. do their humble best (although obviously not to your satisfaction). Personally, I'm neither right nor am I left - I don't support any particular party but I think that whoever is in power deserves a chance to succeed (or, indeed, to fail). My comments are not because you're attacking one particular faction, but because your posts over the last months have been rather fierce - and, to be frank, I suspect that their ferocity is putting others off when it comes to debate. Amendment - having read the post which appeared whilst this was being typed all I can say is QED.
Quote from: mk1 on October 21, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 21, 2019, 04: PM
@ MK1 - Or is the 'complete silence' you mention more to do with a broadside being unleashed at dissenters?
Depends how you describe 'dissenters' I thought it was a forum where you keep all local politicians to their word and not a fan club/support group for the Politicians you prefer.
The Forum was very disrespectful of Labour when it was in power and I am not complaining about that. The present ruling group are simply not given the same level of scrutiny.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 21, 2019, 04: PM
I'm beginning to think that people aren't writing much on here because they fear that they'll just be shot down in flames.
I note the posts on the FB page complaining about the tone being set there and an interesting reply :
..Blaming the far right whilst totally ignoring the hard left is symptomatic of those who are incapable of adopting a fair and balanced view of the situation..
to which I respond:
..Blaming the far left whilst totally ignoring the hard right is symptomatic of those who are incapable of adopting a fair and balanced view of the situation..
I can show you lots of examples where I attack 'the left' as well as 'the right' but strangely no one complains when I attack 'the left'.
I am guilty of the quote above, if guilt is needed, as it happens the comment was in response to a pedantic trolling post by a regular poster who has no problems airing his views on the Posts FB page.
The SCABAL were quite rightly heavily criticised over the way the ran the council and your comment regarding the present ruling group not receiving the same level of scrutiny is disingenuos, they have been criticised by users of the FB page and questions were asked at a recent council meeting on several issues that required explanation.
What seems to be a source of annoyance to yourself was the fact that independent councillors threw their lot in to become the Brexit party, I accepted that situation for several reasons 1) My personal preference for non political local governance isn't going to happen so I had to choose the lesser of two evils when it comes to a group to run the town 2) The immediate aftermath of the elections that lead to the Independents taking control very quickly became clear, at the first meeting we witnessed exactly what the HCLP had in mind, double dealing and downright untruths on a number of issues.
There are undoubtedly very competent labour councillors and I have pointed that out on numerous occasions, unfortunately for whatever reason they were denied the opportunity to continue their good work by the HCLP which then tried to justify that decision with a variety of 'reasons'.
The first thing I used to check when opening my pc was the Hartlepool Post, that isn't the case now I can leave it for 3, 4, 5 days and no one posts, even hardened users have become totally pis*ed off by the confrontational attitude in your posts to virtualy all members who take the time to offer up their opinions here.
Quote from: fred c on October 21, 2019, 07: PM
What seems to be a source of annoyance to yourself was the fact that independent councillors threw their lot in to become the Brexit party,
Incorrect. I have no problems with Shane the man and if you want you can check my posting history and see that I have never used any personal information against him whilst others here have and nothing was said about it. Anyway my problems with 'Shane' (take that to mean the ruling Group) is that he deliberately allowed CAB back into a position of power. Lots or reasons given as to why it happened but it was really buy their silence in chamber. Then after all the bollocks about being 'independent' he went discarded his disguise as soon as he felt he could get away with it. I said before he was elected he would do it. David Riddle said he would do it and even the Labour cyphers said he would do it so all claims it was a 'surprise' are bollocks. He deliberately decieved in order to get elected and that is a fact. Now if BREXIT is the most important thing in the universe to you then of course you will defend to the death anyone you think can help in any deliver your dream but that is bias. Its partisanship and it is not what the board is about.
As regards Labour, they do have a problem in the town. Represented for what seems an eternity we had the publicity ravenous motley crew and the Dear Leader who must have had more snaps taken than any celeb.
Like Orwell's Big Brother, their image appeared daily in a compliant local 'meeeja'
The present incumbents are fly enough to keep a low profile instead of swanning about like the Duchess of Duke Street. Like it or lump it, if you don't wind people up, that's half the battle. Don't irritate the electorate and life is so much easier.
What kills the skunk is the publicity it gives itself.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 21, 2019, 07: PM
My comments are not because you're attacking one particular faction, but because your posts over the last months have been rather fierce - and, to be frank, I suspect that their ferocity is putting others off when it comes to debate.
In return I say your treatment of David Riddle on the FB was insulting and put him off posting there.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 21, 2019, 08: PM
and the Dear Leader who must have had more snaps taken than any celeb.
Like Orwell's Big Brother, their image appeared daily in a compliant local 'meeeja'
The present incumbents are fly enough to keep a low profile instead of swanning about like the Duchess of Duke Street.
3 photos of Shane in the last Heartbeat.
Quote from: mk1 on October 21, 2019, 08: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 21, 2019, 07: PM
My comments are not because you're attacking one particular faction, but because your posts over the last months have been rather fierce - and, to be frank, I suspect that their ferocity is putting others off when it comes to debate.
In return I say your treatment of David Riddle on the FB was insulting and put him off posting there.
'Treatment of David Riddle'? Truthfully haven't a clue what you're talking about (though no doubt you'll find some obscure/out of context screenshot to endorse your claim). I've actually got a lot of respect for David Riddle who (by the way) remains a personal friend on Facebook.
Quote from: fred c on October 21, 2019, 07: PM
, I accepted that situation for several reasons 1) My personal preference for non political local governance isn't going to happen so I had to choose the lesser of two evils when it comes to a group to run the town
Your personal
'personal preference for non political local governance' was what made you vote for a group claiming it was independent and was not beholding to a National Political Party. When elected this group joined a National Political Party (to be precise joined an Organisation that is a business and owned by Nigel Farage personally) and thus went directly against all its original aims. They LIED to you, you know they LIED to you but you will ignore that fact because of 'Brexit'. I learn by my mistakes.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 21, 2019, 08: PM
'Treatment of David Riddle'? Truthfully haven't a clue what you're talking about (no doubt you'll find some obscure/out of context screenshot to endorse your claim). I've actually got a lot of respect for David Riddle who (by the way) remains a personal friend on Facebook.
He got two very off-hand replies when he challenged a 'strongly held political view' on the FB page. I spoke to David about this perhaps you should?
Quote from: mk1 on October 21, 2019, 08: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 21, 2019, 08: PM
'Treatment of David Riddle'? Truthfully haven't a clue what you're talking about (no doubt you'll find some obscure/out of context screenshot to endorse your claim). I've actually got a lot of respect for David Riddle who (by the way) remains a personal friend on Facebook.
He got two very off-hand replies when he challenged a 'strongly held political view' on the FB page. I spoke to David about this perhaps you should?
'Off hand' presumably means someone who doesn't agree. Haven't a clue what this actually refers to, but 'tis a bit of a non-starter. If David felt strongly about something I'm sure he would have followed it up.
As I said at the time, this false allegation had certain people's fingerprints all over it. It was widely known (within certain circles) specifically who had made the initial allegation. It was also very easy to 'connect the dots' to find the link between the accuser and a small band of local political parasites.
My stance on these people hasn't softened.
They'll finally be gone in about 7 months time.
Quote from: DRiddle on October 21, 2019, 09: PM
As I said at the time, this false allegation had certain people's fingerprints all over it. It was widely known (within certain circles) specifically who had made the initial allegation. It was also very easy to 'connect the dots' to find the link between the accuser and a small band of local political parasites.
My stance on these people hasn't softened.
They'll finally be gone in about 7 months time.
I just checked the original thread
http://hptimbral.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/index.php/topic,5162.0.html
Quote from: fred c on September 23, 2019, 07: AM
If as a couple of posters suggest the allegations have come from persons in the town it should take about 5 minutes for the labour party to absolve Mike Hill of any wrongdoing.
Appears they took 10 mins.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 21, 2019, 08: PM
Treatment of David Riddle'? Truthfully haven't a clue what you're talking about (though no doubt you'll find some obscure/out of context screenshot to endorse your claim).
Dirk posted this on the Post FB page on
Sept 8th 2019:
It was a link to Corbyn speaking in 2009:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/273708489455822/permalink/1406614609498532/
The Mods said this:
If Carlsberg did hypocrites...................................
His followers will deny it or find an excuse........................Then just 6 days later David posted this on the Post FB page dated
Sept 14th 2019It was a link to a 2013 post here by Shane.
http://hptimbral.hartlepoolpost.co.uk/index.php/topic,914.msg11662.html#msg11662
For his trouble he got this
from the ModS
trawling through 6 year old post about Shane, you should consider how is performing as leader now, then comment on that.......................It's how he is performing as leader that counts,............. I don't know if it's you trying to show everyone how clever you are, .. ..
.I hope all councillors and ex councillors have nothing on Google to be embarrassed about from the last century.
People change. Ideas change. Opinions change. Many of our towns councillors have in the past changed parties. Some even changed wards tho not moved............................are you running for Council again? Shall we screenshot that comment for the future?.........................
surely going back six years to quote someone is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Whatever anyone's views, times change and circumstances move on. Your post smacks of desperation.................................
Why is there one set of rules for those who expose the duplicity of a Left-wing Politician and a mere
6 days later an entirely different set of rules for those who expose the duplicity of a right-wing Politician?
The two posts are identical in their intent but only one of the posters was attacked.
Why?
So you claim you didn't have a problem with the 'independents' till they joined the Brexit Party. As you are renowned for having a loathing for anyone with a Brexit connection, it comes as no surprise. However, a popular phrase churned out by the mono thought remainders to justify a 'people's vote', is people are allowed to change their mind. Touché. Fact is they've joined up with a Party you despise and it rankles.
As for three photo's of Mr Moore in the local rag, he has one lonooooooong way to go to catch up to the ego on legs.
Whoever came in was going to have a job on their hands following the previous act.
I treat every Party the same, I favour none, but I'm not pedantically infuriated by Brexit so much it clouds clear thinking.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 22, 2019, 05: AM
So you claim you didn't have a problem with the 'independents' till they joined the Brexit Party.
No I got upset because Shane lied. He lied here on this very forum just a few weeks before went public.
Quote from: SRMoore on July 27, 2019, 04: PM
...........I myself have no link to the Brexit Party other than that I am a supporter of the UK leaving the EU and not ashamed to say so. I am not a member, supporter or activist. I am an independent councillor and that is how it was remain going forward.
Oh and no, I have absolutely no interests in getting involved with national politics..........................
How many
lies can you count in that lot? Dated July 17 which is 48 days before did get 'interested in national politics'.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 22, 2019, 05: AM
However, a popular phrase churned out by the mono thought remainders.........
I have been very careful not to give an opinion on Brexit. If you don't believe me then find where you 'think' I have.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 22, 2019, 05: AM
people are allowed to change their mind.
Indeed they are. But the question I asked is why was someone who pointed out that Corbyn had 'changed his mind' not criticised but the person who pointed out Shane had 'changed his mind' criticised
by 3 Mods and treated so rudely?
Its the bias that is the problem. Level playing field etc.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 22, 2019, 05: AM
So you claim you didn't have a problem with the 'independents' till they joined the Brexit Party...............Fact is they've joined up with a Party you despise and it rankles..
Fact is you are wrong. Please read this where I laid into 'Shane' for his lies long before there he joined The Brexit Party.
You may think you treat all parties the same but in reality you don't.
Quote from: mk1 on May 30, 2019, 09: PM
Shane has made a deal with the Conservatives and given them more chairs than they should have whilst keeping CAB in a position of great influence. . Shane also has a high-profile Councillor with a second day-job even further away than Doc Pothole. Remind me again how much has changed.
Quote from: mk1 on October 22, 2019, 07: AM
Fact is you are wrong. .
You may think you treat all parties the same but in reality you don't.
This is like being the headmasters study.
Thank you for allowing me the privilege of thought, but I'll decide the outcome of my thought process.
Cue copious notes pointing out contradictions in my thought process.
Quote from: mk1 on October 21, 2019, 08: PM
Quote from: fred c on October 21, 2019, 07: PM
, I accepted that situation for several reasons 1) My personal preference for non political local governance isn't going to happen so I had to choose the lesser of two evils when it comes to a group to run the town
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Your personal 'personal preference for non political local governance' was what made you vote for a group claiming it was independent and was not beholding to a National Political Party. When elected this group joined a National Political Party (to be precise joined an Organisation that is a business and owned by Nigel Farage personally) and thus went directly against all its original aims. They LIED to you, you know they LIED to you but you will ignore that fact because of 'Brexit'. I learn by my mistakes.
My choice of vote was to get rid of the labour ruling group, basically I don't give a flying flamingon who runs the country they are all the same, whoever it is will make no difference to ordinary people.
I don't have any problems with David I hold him in high regard, I do however feel his constant referral to Shane as Shame was unworthy of him, as for CAB getting a chair I agree, it should never have happened, but the fact that 2 labour councillors were asked to continue as chairs was refused by new labour in fact it was denied by them.
I don't have a problem with the tone of your posts I grew up in a hard bait cabin but others find it overpowering......Personaly I have always had a wheelbarrow full of respect for you, your commitment to politics in the town, your insights and fact finding shone a light into dark corners.
I see it like this. Myself and others devoted significant chunks of our time trying to help rid Hartlepool Council of CAB and the wider SCAB hangers on. In my view he was poison and absolutely toxic while in a position of authority on the council. I still hold that opinion. I know for an absolute fact that many HBC officers loathed working under him and were appalled by some of the things which were allowed to go on. That's not conjecture, that's fact. I know for certain because many at all levels within HBC were in contact with me and told me that first hand.
What officers wanted was CAB completely out of their hair and him back to ignoring complaints from residents about dog poo etc. until he's finally voted out (if he dares stand) next May.
Instead, what they GOT was him still strutting around HBC like he runs the place AND chairing an important committee which has leverage involving 7 figure decisions.
Referring to Shane as SHAME may seen churlish but he had a binary choice regarding giving CAB or James Black the chair of that committee. He chose CAB.
To me, that's utterly shameful, hence the moniker 'SHAME'.
I also find it utterly shameful that he campaigned as a Tory/UKIP/independent/HIU/Brexit Party, which totally undermines the work of genuine independents and the part they played in helping to oust CAB. People will no longer trust independents in future local elections as all/most will be tarred with the 'deception brush'.
Depending on the situation with Brexit, I don't see the current balance of power lasting very long, especially if we DO leave the EU. In the local elections next May the current ruling group have handed Labour the perfect opportunity so simply say "We ditched the Akers-Belchers and that lot let him back in the trough". That'll come back to bite them and anyone who thinks otherwise is mistaken.
Regarding my lack of posts on the forum of late, I actually find it a very insular place these days.
Even back in the day when i used to have ding dongs on here about the EU with Kipperdip (the late Dave Pascoe), at least he used to try and defend his position with what he believed to be reasoned arguments about fishing quotas and parliamentary sovereignty and such like.
These days all you get on here or the posts facebook is 'We want Brexit" and then when you attempt to engage anyone in discussion about WHY they want brexit they clam up and accuse you of trying to be clever or being a re-moaner or whatever.
As i said on a previous post somewhere, it's all gone a bit 'gammon' for my tastes. I'll happily debate all day with anyone about Brexit and the EU and whatever, but it's not a debate if people just shout about 'taking back control' and other such platitudes without any substance.
Still, i guess this whole situation is synonymous with the damage the EU referendum has done in terms of pitting people against each other.
Prior to Cameron calling the referendum there was about 1 million Ukippers chuntering about Muslims and about 200 zaelots in his own party doing the same. The rest of the UK were cracking on with their lives.
Now we have about 35 million people at each others throats.
I think it's fair to say that a good chunk of the electorate wanted CAB completely out of their hair also, and I'm pretty certain that Shane used to voice a similar sentiment on this forum, so it isn't surprising that he is considered to be somewhat duplicitous.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 22, 2019, 07: AM
This is like being the headmasters study.
Thank you for allowing me the privilege of thought, but I'll decide the outcome of my thought process.
Cue copious notes pointing out contradictions in my thought process.
You are entitled to your own thoughts but if you make things up then you will be challenged.
You claimed I only complained
after the rename of the IU.
I gave you a post that shows I complained about the lies long
before that betrayal.
That means your original claim was wrong and I corrected your error.
No need to thank me.
Quote from: fred c on October 22, 2019, 08: AM
I don't have any problems with David I hold him in high regard, I do however feel his constant referral to Shane as Shame was unworthy of him,.
Its just like the SCAB nickname. I started that and no one seems to have any problems with it.
I wrote this way back in 2012:
Quote from: mk1 on May 04, 2012, 07: PM
The problem Christine is you have gotten too close to your food
Personal connection is blinding you to the reality behind the smile and all the glad-handing..
You need to keep your distance from a politician. They have perfected the art of nodding attentively and saying they understand/can help you and then forgetting all about you when they see the next opportunity for self enrichment.{EDIT: in the current example party advantage}
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You should put aside any notion that you are a friend. You are being played and you do not get that far up the greasy pole without being able to fake sincerity.
Quote from: diSme on October 22, 2019, 12: PM
so it isn't surprising that he is considered to be somewhat duplicitous.
All politicians are duplicitous. Its part of the job and as long as the electorate see an MP as their personal messenger to the PM it will always be that way. You can't please all of the people all of the time. In the current climate the Brexiteers have gotten it into their heads that only their views matter and their MP (and everyone else) needs to do exactly what they want 'or else'.
[quote author=mk1 link=topic=5181.msg54987#msg54987 date=1571722683
I have been very careful not to give an opinion on Brexit. If you don't believe me then find where you 'think' I have.
[/quote]Really? I think from some of your less than charitable descriptions of 'brexiteers' leaves little doubt where your heart lays.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 22, 2019, 06: PM
I think from some of your less than charitable descriptions of 'brexiteers' leaves little doubt where your heart lays.
My problem is with fat baldy old men running around threatening people. Drunks and slobs (or even women who fight outside pubs and 'put Hartlepool on the map'?)who normally spend their daylight hours closeted in pubs who now have found a 'cause' and something else to start a fight about.
Anyway lets get back to the point. You described me as a 'remainer' and I pointed out that I have been very careful
not to pick a horse in this race. I did it so that I could
not be accused of being partisan. I guess that is a concept alien to you. I presume you looked and failed to find anything so how about admitting you made an assumption but were caught out by the facts-yet again!
What a disrespectful description of Hartlepudlians ... most of us aren't straight out of Hogarth
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 22, 2019, 07: PM
What a disrespectful description of Hartlepudlians ... most of us aren't straight out of Hogarth
Or 'Hartlepool Drunks'?
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/HMInNC.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plHMInNCj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/9HeQDf.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/po9HeQDfj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/4j7rMQ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pl4j7rMQj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/tH0gZU.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pltH0gZUj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/Z5uz8d.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plZ5uz8dj)
Quote from: mk1 on October 22, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 22, 2019, 06: PM
I think from some of your less than charitable descriptions of 'brexiteers' leaves little doubt where your heart lays.
My problem is with fat baldy old men running around threatening people. Drunks and slobs (or even women who fight outside pubs and 'put Hartlepool on the map'?)who normally spend their daylight hours closeted in pubs who now have found a 'cause' and something else to start a fight about.
Anyway lets get back to the point. You described me as a 'remainer' and I pointed out that I have been very careful not to pick a horse in this race. I did it so that I could not be accused of being partisan. I guess that is a concept alien to you. I presume you looked and failed to find anything so how about admitting you made an assumption but were caught out by the facts-yet again!
So you're a fence sitter. Ah well.
Quote from: mk1 on October 22, 2019, 08: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 22, 2019, 07: PM
What a disrespectful description of Hartlepudlians ... most of us aren't straight out of Hogarth
Or 'Hartlepool Drunks'?
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/HMInNC.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plHMInNCj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/9HeQDf.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/po9HeQDfj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/4j7rMQ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pl4j7rMQj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/tH0gZU.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pltH0gZUj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/Z5uz8d.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plZ5uz8dj)
Do you really believe that these photos (which have, to be fair, been done by an established photographer (not unlike Bill Brandt in style) represent the majority of the town? If so, I don't envy you the company you keep ....
Are they supposed to represent typical Hartlepool pub patrons? ::)
Just how old are these 'charming' little snaps?
Google 'David Wise' with 'Hartlepool drunks'
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 22, 2019, 08: PM
Are they supposed to represent typical Hartlepool pub patrons? ::)
Just how old are these 'charming' little snaps?
Going back a bit - http://www.angelfire.com/ak/headland/headland.html
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 22, 2019, 08: PM
So you're a fence sitter. Ah well.
No one in my circle has ever brought up Brexit with me
I have never initiated a conversation about Brexit with anyone I know.
In my experience the overwhelming majority of 'ordinary working people' do not care about it.
As a fully paid-up member of the working class I can completely refute the Brexiteer claim that 'ordinary' people are overwhelmingly in favour of leaving and are clamouring for us to leave. It may be those who are completely obsessed with it are moving in a closed world where Brexit dominates and is always being talked about but I have not yet come across these strange communities and their zombie inhabitants. In my experience most 'ordinary' people don't give a toss either way.
So I am not constantly assailed (in real life) with chatter about a Fourth Reich, EU Army, Churchill, Blitz, White Cliffs of Dover, Blue Passports, Leave means Leave, taking back control or any other trite idiotic memes. I guess you could say I one of the lucky ones.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 21, 2019, 04: PM
@ MK1 - I'm beginning to think that people aren't writing much on here because they fear that they'll just be shot down in flames.
I'm with you LL-T. Like several ex-posters who I've spoken with, I've just about
Quote from: mk1 on October 22, 2019, 08: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 22, 2019, 07: PM
What a disrespectful description of Hartlepudlians ... most of us aren't straight out of Hogarth
Or 'Hartlepool Drunks'?
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/HMInNC.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plHMInNCj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/9HeQDf.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/po9HeQDfj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/4j7rMQ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pl4j7rMQj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/tH0gZU.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pltH0gZUj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/Z5uz8d.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plZ5uz8dj)
given up even looking at the Post these days now that it's turned into the very boring, very ill-informed, very 'stuck-record', very inflated ego trip of the mk I soap-box show (btw mk, paranoia really IS treatable in these modern times)
Quote from: Hubris on October 23, 2019, 12: AM
, paranoia really IS treatable in these modern times
Unlike stupidity. So whilst I can be cured you have no hope.
Quote from: mk1 on October 22, 2019, 10: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 22, 2019, 08: PM
So you're a fence sitter. Ah well.
No one in my circle has ever brought up Brexit with me
I suspect they'd soon regret it if they did.
I have never initiated a conversation about Brexit with anyone I know.
In my experience the overwhelming majority of 'ordinary working people' do not care about it.
Ah, so you're a hermit, it's all making sense now
As a fully paid-up member of the working class I can completely refute the Brexiteer claim that 'ordinary' people are overwhelmingly in favour of leaving and are clamouring for us to leave.
hmmm, so because you say it is so, it is so. That sounds almost religious in it's finality.
It may be those who are completely obsessed with it are moving in a closed world where Brexit dominates and is always being talked about but I have not yet come across these strange communities and their zombie inhabitants. In my experience most 'ordinary' people don't give a toss either way.
So you know the mindset of the 'ordinary people'?
So I am not constantly assailed (in real life) with chatter about a Fourth Reich, EU Army, Churchill, Blitz, White Cliffs of Dover, Blue Passports, Leave means Leave, taking back control or any other trite idiotic memes. I guess you could say I one of the lucky ones.
And you claim it's not possible to decide which side of the fence you've set up your tent.. Comedy classic ;D ;D
I presume no one is going to address (or even acknowledge?) the blatant double-standards over Riddles post on the FB page?
I await your analysis.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 23, 2019, 04: PM
I await your analysis.
Already given. See detailed post below with the cast-iron and undeniable evidence of the double-standards.
Summary.
Supporters of Shane do not believe any of his old comments have any bearing on his stance today. The position is that people can 'change their minds'.
Supporters of Shane believe Corbyn is a hypocrite if he ever changes his mind on anything.
Quote from: mk1 on October 23, 2019, 04: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 23, 2019, 04: PM
I await your analysis.
Already given. See detailed post below with the cast-iron and undeniable evidence of the double-standards.
Summary.
Supporters of Shane do not believe any of his old comments have any bearing on his stance today. The position is that people can 'change their minds'.
A popular phrase among politicians and commentators of the remain persuasion, in fact they invented it. So, what's good for the goose is good for Councillor.
As for Corbin, that's the one case where I was disappointed. Tony Benn will be disappointed.
I'm currently reading Corbyn's biography ... very enlightening ... and distinctly terrifying!
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 23, 2019, 06: PM
A popular phrase among politicians and commentators of the remain persuasion, in fact they invented it. So, what's good for the goose is good for Councillor.
I agree. But that was not the issue.
My problem was not that the Corbyn 'gotcha' was used but the way the Shane 'gotcha' was rubbished. Either all such gotchas are valid or none are. Just allowing the gotcha that embarrases the politics you do not support is bias. There may be those who think that is ok but they should not then claim they are free of political bias.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on October 23, 2019, 06: PM
As for Corbin, that's the one case where I was disappointed. Tony Benn will be disappointed.
As will those who took Shane at his word back in July:
Quote from: SRMoore on July 27, 2019, 04: PM
I myself have no link to the Brexit Party other than that I am a supporter of the UK leaving the EU and not ashamed to say so. I am not a member, supporter or activist. I am an independent councillor and that is how it was remain going forward.
Oh and no, I have absolutely no interests in getting involved with national politics. I've a wife,
Shane lied. He deceived the voters but because he now supports a single national issue those obsessed with that single national issue are willing to abandon all their principles in order to achieve their aim.
Shane is peeing on the public and when they complain says its just raining.
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 23, 2019, 06: PM
I'm currently reading Corbyn's biography ... very enlightening ... and distinctly terrifying!
Can you give us the title.
Not that I think just the title will give any clues to the message the author is trying to get across...........................
If not the current book is it the previous unbiased and very even-handed(snigger..) book put out by
Conservative Central Office Lord Ashcroft?
Quote from: mk1 on October 23, 2019, 06: PM
Quote from: Lucy Lass-Tick on October 23, 2019, 06: PM
I'm currently reading Corbyn's biography ... very enlightening ... and distinctly terrifying!
Can you give us the title.
Not that I think just the title will give any clues to the message the author is trying to get across...........................
Dangerous Hero - author Tom Bower