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No, we don't need a new hospital in 8 years time jill. We simply need our current existing hospital returned to full service, particularly the A&E....
It's not rocket science....
Muppet (or should that be puppet)
I'd direct your 'Muppet' comments to the 'politicians' who stood bye while it was taken away in the first place. You sound like someone criticising the fireman for being 5 minutes late while the arsonist sits on the sidelines watching the flames untouched.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 11, 2021, 08: PM
I'd direct your 'Muppet' comments to the 'politicians' who stood bye while it was taken away in the first place. You sound like someone criticising the fireman for being 5 minutes late while the arsonist sits on the sidelines watching the flames untouched.
I do indeed direct it at those who were paid off to allow it to happen, but it appears that our latest MP is just more of the same. So yeah, muppet...
Hang about, she's making an effort which our previous MP's and the Akers Belcher axis were just bystanders..... They got years, decades and suddenly you've decided six months down the line she's not good enough.
Comedy gold.
Quote from: diSme on November 11, 2021, 04: PM
https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/opinion/columnists/i-will-continue-to-push-for-a-new-hospital-for-hartlepool-mp-jill-mortimer-3452721
No, we don't need a new hospital in 8 years time jill. We simply need our current existing hospital returned to full service, particularly the A&E....
It's not rocket science....
Muppet (or should that be puppet)
Yes we do need a new hospital as both are now not fit for purpose.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 11, 2021, 10: PM
Hang about, she's making an effort which our previous MP's and the Akers Belcher axis were just bystanders..... They got years, decades and suddenly you've decided six months down the line she's not good enough.
Comedy gold.
But did the proponents of Jill not make a lot of capital out of these "facts", everything that was ever wrong in Hartlepool is labours fault etc*. So you would expect her to do something more than follow with more of the same ? I look forward with baited breath to our #1 corespondent from Las Vegas sticking her cowboy boot in.....
*As this is hospital related it is super important we overly simplify, so lets spare the actual detail of the critical care reviews held by the local NHS trusts, or levels of funding provided by central gov to trust to deliver service improvements over the last 3800 days since the conservatives started pulling the strings
She's working very hard for this town, she knows she got lucky and has to do twice as much as the cartel to stay in power, she gets my vote.
There aint no cartel anymore, labour have been demolished in Hartlepool. Some of which was of their own making and other bits were not. Whatever has happened in the past they are currently not a force than can effect any change on the town and havent been able to for a while now. The blame and association (right or wrong) will continue but the reality will diverge
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 11, 2021, 10: PM
Hang about, she's making an effort which our previous MP's and the Akers Belcher axis were just bystanders..... They got years, decades and suddenly you've decided six months down the line she's not good enough.
Comedy gold.
No, she's not good enough. She's a career politician FFS....
All she's doing is furthering the agenda that was set by her predecessors.
Just because time has passed, and political persuasions have changed doesn't mean that the agenda has changed.
Hartlepool needs and wants a fully functional hospital within the town, which is not what she is advocating.
You might be content with an out of town A&E, but I'm certainly not.
Have you still not managed to figure out how this works??
"It's a big club and you ain't in it"......
Quote from: diSme on November 15, 2021, 09: PM
Hartlepool needs and wants a fully functional hospital within the town, which is not what she is advocating.
You might be content with an out of town A&E, but I'm certainly not.
Have you still not managed to figure out how this works??
"It's a big club and you ain't in it"......
Where exactly have I advocated EVER being happy with the present situation, nowhere, so you can retract the accusation sharpish.
I've argued against this for years and am not going to stand by and have that drivel thrown at me ever.
Your opinions change like the wind, you are proof to me you can debate with a gate post for all the good it'll do you. Some people are just incapable of reasoned argument.
'It's a big club and you ain't in it'...Would that be the 'Tetchy Club' by any chance, membership ....1.?
To quote Groucho Marx.... I would not wish to belong to any club that would have me as a member.
Talk to yourself.
Quote from: eddy on November 15, 2021, 07: PM
There aint no cartel anymore, labour have been demolished in Hartlepool. Some of which was of their own making and other bits were not. Whatever has happened in the past they are currently not a force than can effect any change on the town and havent been able to for a while now. The blame and association (right or wrong) will continue but the reality will diverge
Labour were on the bridge when this happened, the planning started long before 2010, but despite having a Labour Government/ MP/ Council, it went unchallenged.
You sound like a German in 1946 saying "War? What war".... Nowt to do with us guv".
Oh well that's ok then ...airbrush set anyone?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 16, 2021, 02: PM
Quote from: diSme on November 15, 2021, 09: PM
Hartlepool needs and wants a fully functional hospital within the town, which is not what she is advocating.
You might be content with an out of town A&E, but I'm certainly not.
Have you still not managed to figure out how this works??
"It's a big club and you ain't in it"......
Where exactly have I advocated EVER being happy with the present situation, nowhere, so you can retract the accusation sharpish.
I've argued against this for years and am not going to stand by and have that drivel thrown at me ever.
Your opinions change like the wind, you are proof to me you can debate with a gate post for all the good it'll do you. Some people are just incapable of reasoned argument.
'It's a big club and you ain't in it'...Would that be the 'Tetchy Club' by any chance, membership ....1.?
To quote Groucho Marx.... I would not wish to belong to any club that would have me as a member.
Talk to yourself.
I retract nothing.
We have a perfectly capable hospital building on our doorstep, why the need to spend mine and the rest of the general public's money on a snazzy new out of town building??
I won't sleep tonight.
Be interested to see examples in other constituencies where parties of any colour have been able to over turn the rule of rationalisation on the part of the NHS. We are not the only town to see this happen. Also the withdrawal of services continued post 2010 and we have seen nothing come back, suspect the right hon representative for Northalerton is finding out the "real" reasons why it happened and the difficulties effecting change
Fundamentally the NHS needs proper funding to pay for the services which are required at the locations they are required. Money is the key driver here, otherwise "difficult decisions" have to be made.
Also re-air brushing, I got another anecdote for you. Hows about slashing public spending for 10 years then start (slowly) giving you some of the money that was taken away back, so long as you vote the right MP in. You could call it "levelling up" maybe? Maybe spin the loss of heavy industry who were left to fail without gov support as a new halcyon era of investment. Couple of grand at Facebook advertising so you really look like you are doing something to boot, people lap it up
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 16, 2021, 03: PM
I won't sleep tonight.
QuoteSome people are just incapable of reasoned argument.
Quote from: eddy on November 16, 2021, 04: PM
Be interested to see examples in other constituencies where parties of any colour have been able to over turn the rule of rationalisation on the part of the NHS. We are not the only town to see this happen. Also the withdrawal of services continued post 2010 and we have seen nothing come back, suspect the right hon representative for Northalerton is finding out the "real" reasons why it happened and the difficulties effecting change
Fundamentally the NHS needs proper funding to pay for the services which are required at the locations they are required. Money is the key driver here, otherwise "difficult decisions" have to be made.
Also re-air brushing, I got another anecdote for you. Hows about slashing public spending for 10 years then start (slowly) giving you some of the money that was taken away back, so long as you vote the right MP in. You could call it "levelling up" maybe? Maybe spin the loss of heavy industry who were left to fail without gov support as a new halcyon era of investment. Couple of grand at Facebook advertising so you really look like you are doing something to boot, people lap it up
I realise you're the Labour Party attaché to the board and will happily keep saying black is white
as long as ordered. It's so obvious. Orders is orders eh...what's the script for this week.....?
Quote from: diSme on November 16, 2021, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 16, 2021, 03: PM
I won't sleep tonight.
QuoteSome people are just incapable of reasoned argument.
Booster jab tomorrow had ...had your's yet...?
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 16, 2021, 07: PM
Quote from: diSme on November 16, 2021, 06: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 16, 2021, 03: PM
I won't sleep tonight.
QuoteSome people are just incapable of reasoned argument.
Booster jab tomorrow had ...had your's yet...?
And you accuse me of 'throwing drivel' at you.....
What part of my point has upset you? Why do you consider me to be in the wrong for wanting our hospital back, within the town boundaries?
Seriously? I have raged against the hospital cuts for over a decade and you never noticed? I have attacked those quislings who stood by and let it happen....and you never noticed?
If you never noticed that, then what is the point on coming on a board where no one noticed my stand against the pillaging of our hospital in the first place.
The people who do this are suits who don't care about people but balance sheets. They run the service for THEIR convenience, not ours, I've worked with these people, change takes time.
Anyway, pointless coming on now...you can have long conversations with 'Nowt to do with Labour' Eddy and he may even persuade you to join the Party. Best of luck with that one
Wasn't there the letter of objection to the service cuts which the then Labour led council somehow 'forgot' to post? ::)
It appeared absent mindedness was rife amongst Labour when ever the hospital ransacking (sorry, massive improvements to services by making you travel out of town) cropped up. They were conveniently unaware when it suited them.
Now it's sold to us by Labour apologists as some regrettable incident that's best forgotten, yet the oafs are so dumb, they then offer us the greasy doctor as candidate, one of the architects of our hospital's run down.......and then they keep a straight face and placate the gormless and easily swayed.
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on November 17, 2021, 06: AM
Seriously? I have raged against the hospital cuts for over a decade and you never noticed? I have attacked those quislings who stood by and let it happen....and you never noticed?
If you never noticed that, then what is the point on coming on a board where no one noticed my stand against the pillaging of our hospital in the first place.
The people who do this are suits who don't care about people but balance sheets. They run the service for THEIR convenience, not ours, I've worked with these people, change takes time.
Anyway, pointless coming on now...you can have long conversations with 'Nowt to do with Labour' Eddy and he may even persuade you to join the Party. Best of luck with that one
So if you're so ardent about the subject, why are you apparently opposing my opinion that we need a local hospital that serves Hartlepool?
Clearly Mortimer is not supporting that idea, which was my point.....
And for what it's worth, I couldn't give two sh!ts about party politics. Never have, and never will. I just want what's best for the town.
I AM OPPOSING NO SUCH THING.
My problem was you demanding this and that within six months of her being elected yet as I recall were never anywhere near so vocal about Labour over the years dropping us in this mess in the first place.
She said she welcomed a new hospital and the land was available in her constituency. Work it out.
As for being not interested in Party politics, oh dear me, that reveals a stunning naivety of glacial proportions in these matters. It would appear you are not used to being challenged on anything, so you see just what you want to see and disregard the rest, ....... as the man sang.
Good night Vienna.
THE LABOUR COUNCIL DID NOT RUN THE NHS TRUST WHICH REMOVED SERVICES FROM THE F***NG HOSPITAL
Quote from: eddy on November 19, 2021, 11: AM
THE LABOUR COUNCIL DID NOT RUN THE NHS TRUST WHICH REMOVED SERVICES FROM THE F***NG HOSPITAL
Hang on ... who signed off the closure of A & E? Wasn't a clapped out bus involved in the 'negotiations'?
Quote from: eddy on November 19, 2021, 11: AM
THE LABOUR COUNCIL DID NOT RUN THE NHS TRUST WHICH REMOVED SERVICES FROM THE F***NG HOSPITAL
We know that, that's not the point so stop trying to paint your masters as blameless.
All the planning was done when Labour was in power at at ALL levels. A sad try was made to dump the blame on the Lib Dem/Tory coalition but fell flat on it's face
The 'COUNCIL' as you call them stood by like bystanders and nodded their heads in servile acquiesce.
No one ever explained why.
By the same token though, as know one will ever truly know the "process" that was followed at the trust how can such assertions be made. I get you think most labour people are thick, sheep, etc etc; however even the most stupid can join the dots in their head and see how it would never play well. I think the narrative, which has worked a treat btw, is to say it was the council at the time doing all the slashing of services when (in reality) they had little say or control over it.
As a side, your hate and condescending nature for labour folk is nothing awe inspiring, real commitment on both a professional and personal level. Almost an infatuation
Quote from: eddy on November 22, 2021, 12: PM
As a side, your hate and condescending nature for labour folk is nothing awe inspiring, real commitment on both a professional and personal level. Almost an infatuation
Trying the old student routine of trying to assert I'm something I aren't .
My contempt is for the politicians never the voter.
I was a solid Labour voter till Blair's ego ran away with him and the Labour Party has been wallowing ever since in mediocrity.
I was there with my gran collecting voter numbers at the the Labour Hall as a five year old, I don't need lessons on Labour voters from apparatchiks like you and for good measure was a shop steward to boot.
I haven't changed, the Labour Party have, or didn't you notice that General Election thingy. The only contempt for the Labour voter comes from people like you, decrying those who didn't vote Labour as though they were political serfs of yours at your beck and call to your dog whistle demands.
Come back when your a bit more mature without your party script, you're just a message boy.
Quote from: eddy on November 22, 2021, 12: PM
By the same token though, as know one will ever truly know the "process" that was followed at the trust how can such assertions be made. I get you think most labour people are thick, sheep, etc etc; however even the most stupid can join the dots in their head and see how it would never play well. I think the narrative, which has worked a treat btw, is to say it was the council at the time doing all the slashing of services when (in reality) they had little say or control over it.
I haven't seen a political fog that thick since Jack the Ripper was about. ;D ;D ;D