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Politics => Local Issues and Matters => Topic started by: admin on January 09, 2018, 04: PM

Title: Staincliffe
Post by: admin on January 09, 2018, 04: PM
Word has reached us that the Staincliffe is closed and that there's a letter pinned to the door. Bailiff time?
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: WhatTheHeck on January 09, 2018, 05: PM
The note on the door stated, 'Closed today due to technical fault', make of that what you will.

Pass the place several times daily, over last few weeks, virtually no cars in car park and no signs of life inside.

Also rumours abound that it's either in new hands and is to be refurbished or it's waiting for new owners to takeover.
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: Inspector Knacker on January 09, 2018, 05: PM
How many desirable residences with a panoramic sea view could you shoe horn onto that site.
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: WhatTheHeck on January 09, 2018, 07: PM
Quote from: Inspector Knacker on January 09, 2018, 05: PM
How many desirable residences with a panoramic sea view could you shoe horn onto that site.

Or retain the building, convert the top floors into apartments with restaurant/bar on ground floor.
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: Inspector Knacker on January 09, 2018, 08: PM
Too much wasted land that way, back and front.
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: Stig of the Seaton Dump on January 09, 2018, 09: PM
The back was shrunk and houses built years ago I believe.
The previous owner wanted to build flats there but obviously didn't grease the right palms.

It would be a crying shame with all the history in the building for it to be lost or significantly changed.
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: WhatTheHeck on January 10, 2018, 12: AM
Quote from: Stig of the Seaton Dump on January 09, 2018, 09: PM
The back was shrunk and houses built years ago I believe.
The previous owner wanted to build flats there but obviously didn't grease the right palms.

It would be a crying shame with all the history in the building for it to be lost or significantly changed.

You are correct, there is a 'gated community' of bespoke bungalows to the rear.

Also agree that the 'buildun' should be retained, it's part of the 'Seatun eritage', just needs decent ownership/management.
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: Inspector Knacker on January 10, 2018, 06: AM
That building is an integral part of Seaton, but we live in strange times and nothing surprises me anymore.
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: seaton on January 10, 2018, 09: AM
Quote from: Stig of the Seaton Dump on January 09, 2018, 09: PM
The back was shrunk and houses built years ago I believe.
The previous owner wanted to build flats there but obviously didn't grease the right palms.

It would be a crying shame with all the history in the building for it to be lost or significantly changed.

They were built when Steve Wilson owned it husband of Trish Yuill of the Yuill Family.
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: WhatTheHeck on January 10, 2018, 04: PM
Let's see if the previous owner has walked away leaving unpaid council tax, which will then have to written off by HBC.

Probably find out in a year or two.
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: Disgruntled voter on January 11, 2018, 08: AM
I wonder if the previous and present owner have any shared assets or business interest?  Could this just be another change of director ship similar to the sport domes .
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: brassed off monkey on January 11, 2018, 03: PM
It`s a substantial building and it will take more than a quick fix coat of whitewash to refurbish the building outside, goodness knows how much will be required to refurbish the inside, bars, kitchens, communal rooms, bedroom and bathrooms haven`t been touched for years, a 6 figure lump of cash will hardly touch the surface.
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: Stig of the Seaton Dump on January 12, 2018, 10: AM
I see the new owner is named as Paul Montgomery.

The same person who owned the Tuxedo Princess ?

Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 12, 2018, 11: AM
Quote from: Stig of the Seaton Dump on January 12, 2018, 10: AM
I see the new owner is named as Paul Montgomery.

The same person who owned the Tuxedo Princess ?

It isn't an uncommon name, but if it is the same chap he comes over as quite a character.

http://www.thejournal.co.uk/news/north-east-news/stanley-nightclub-montgomerys-fails-bid-4405474

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/lifestyle/nostalgia/gibbo-files-super-scout-paul-7020841
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: notenoughsaid on January 12, 2018, 03: PM


   Having read the article re the Stanley Night Club and looked at the photo of the premises it appears to have strong ties with Hartlepool via the Camerons Brewery signs on the wall. I note that the Red Lion is facing to the right to indicate Progress   rather than  looking behind giving the opposite effect. The logo was changed by the present owners circa 2013.   To finish am I right in thinking that Brian Morton held a position at the brewery not so long ago. Seems to be quite a coincidence.?
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 12, 2018, 04: PM
Is this the same Paul Montgomery who is taking over the Staincliffe? If so, he doesn't appear to have any active directorships on either the Companies House Beta page or the one below. Taking on a project like the Staincliffe could be a major (and potentially risky) project without a limited company as a safety net.

https://companycheck.co.uk/director/908311182/MR-PAUL-MONTGOMERY/companies
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: fred c on January 12, 2018, 04: PM
If have had the cash to refurbish the Staincliffe to it`s full potential..... I would forget it and just retire  :)
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: Stig of the Seaton Dump on January 12, 2018, 04: PM
Just jesting ...

you know how Brian is always setting up new companies, has he run out of company names and started changing his own name ?

Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: rabbit on January 12, 2018, 08: PM
May not be the same people, but a Brian Morton and a Paul Montgomery were directors of the same company in Newcastle in the 90s. Spartan Leisure.

Leisure industry, pubs, clubs etc seems to be a common interest.

Using Google search there is a "famous" swinging club f in Stanley, Durham.
Wonder who owns that?
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: rabbit on January 13, 2018, 01: PM
And did Brian and Paul once own a racehorse called Teddy Month?
Did they believe Hartlepool was a safe bet?

https://www.irishracing.com/horse?prt=243056
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: Lucy Lass-Tick on January 13, 2018, 02: PM
Quote from: rabbit on January 13, 2018, 01: PM
And did Brian and Paul once own a racehorse called Teddy Month?
Did they believe Hartlepool was a safe bet?

https://www.irishracing.com/horse?prt=243056

Interesting ... does this imply an historic connection?
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: Stig of the Seaton Dump on January 13, 2018, 04: PM
Smells fishy to me.
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: rabbit on January 13, 2018, 05: PM
http://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/director/11920683/brian-morton

This confirms Brian's connection with Paul as Brian's address for Darwin Hotels is given as Staincliffe Hotel.
Brian's interest in horse racing is shown in his Pinnacle company at Wynyard.
Therefore quite possible he once shared the ownership of a racehorse with Paul, and also was a co director with him at Spartan Leisure.
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: WhatTheHeck on January 13, 2018, 09: PM
Also possible link with https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09738917/officers

Although the surname is slightly different, (possible typo).
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: rabbit on January 13, 2018, 11: PM
Very likely the same Paul, typo or not.
Company up and running before Paul Montgomery bought the Staincliffe.
Is this within Private Limited Company rules/legislation?
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: kevplumb on January 14, 2018, 09: AM
oh what a tangled web he weaves etc  ;)
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: Stig of the Seaton Dump on January 14, 2018, 04: PM
Anybody taking my bets on unpaid bills and written off council tax heading our way again ?
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: WhatTheHeck on January 14, 2018, 05: PM
Quote from: Stig of the Seaton Dump on January 14, 2018, 04: PM
Anybody taking my bets on unpaid bills and written off council tax heading our way again ?

More chance of Morton owning a grand national winner than him paying council tax, you would think by now HBC would be demanding monthly payments from him.
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: fred c on January 14, 2018, 05: PM
I wonder if he is still a key partner with the council in the refurbishment of Church Street ?

https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/business/hartlepool-hotel-to-undergo-250k-revamp-as-part-of-plans-to-regenerate-town-but-nightclub-shuts-down-1-6640825
Title: Re: Staincliffe
Post by: kevplumb on January 14, 2018, 05: PM
Quote from: WhatTheHeck on January 14, 2018, 05: PM
Quote from: Stig of the Seaton Dump on January 14, 2018, 04: PM
Anybody taking my bets on unpaid bills and written off council tax heading our way again ?

More chance of Morton owning a grand national winner than him paying council tax, you would think by now HBC would be demanding monthly payments from him.
anybody else would be forced to pay up front and no than a month allowed in arrears
but we all know why he gets away with it  >:(